3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I don't think you understand the worm burners.  There is no doubt McNabb had a cannon arm.  Problem is he tried to use it on nearly every pass which often resulted in him gunning passes into the ground at WRs feet.  

I wasn't comparing him to Hurts.  I wasn't talking about Hurts at all  You're the one who randomly compared him to Hurts! 

 

Fact is about McNabb is he always came up small the deeper into the playoffs it got.  If McNabb just once in the NFC Title Games they lost or the Super Bowl against the Patriots was able to play a great game up to the level that Jalen did in the Super Bowl last year then McNabb would have won a Super Bowl in his career.  But he just wasn't that guy and that is on McNabb himself above all else.  

 

Bro, you don’t want me to tell you like it is but I’m about to.

Donovan McNabb has multiple Super Bowl Championships if you give him the offense Hurts has had over the past 2 seasons.  

How do you like them apples? 

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Bro, you don’t want me to tell you like it is but I’m about to.

Donovan McNabb has multiple Super Bowl Championships if you give him the offense Hurts has had over the past 2 seasons.  

How do you like them apples? 

 

I don't think he does. You're looking through glossy lenses of nostalgia.  McNabb was one of the all time chokers. His place in Championship Games and the Super Bowl held this team back from winning Super Bowls while Andy Reid was here.  

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I don't think he does. You're looking through glossy lenses of nostalgia.  McNabb was one of the all time chokers. His place in Championship Games and the Super Bowl held this team back from winning Super Bowls while Andy Reid was here.  

My vision and understanding of this game has been perfect from day one.

 

Jalen Hurts has been my guy.  I’m the one that supported him through the entire Wentz fiasco.  Especially against Wentz’ die hard fans who lost their minds when Hurts was the guy.

 

That said, you can’t have your ego surpass who you are and forget the people (the force) that got you there.  Because when that force is gone, you’re back to being what everyone said you would be.

 

Yes, Donovan McNabb was and is a better QB than Jalen Hurts.   
 

Now that can change.  But that’s up to Jalen Hurts. 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Tend to agree with this.

 

I agree with it too. The NFL should find a way of killing the 'secondary market'. Set a maximum price, paid to the 'official' ticket seller and make the tickets refundable, in case of situations where someone can't go, but make them non-transferrable. 

Or some system of that sort. 

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

My vision and understanding of this game has been perfect from day one.

 

Jalen Hurts has been my guy.  I’m the one that supported him through the entire Wentz fiasco.  Especially against Wentz’ die hard fans who lost their minds when Hurts was the guy.

 

That said, you can’t have your ego surpass who you are and forget the people (the force) that got you there.  Because when that force is gone, you’re back to being what everyone said you would be.

 

Yes, Donovan McNabb was and is a better QB than Jalen Hurts.   
 

Now that can change.  But that’s up to Jalen Hurts. 

I’d say it’s too soon to tell.  Let’s not forget McNabb had Andy.  I will reserve judgement on this question until I see more of Hurts under different coaching 

4 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I’d say it’s too soon to tell.  Let’s not forget McNabb had Andy.  I will reserve judgement on this question until I see more of Hurts under different coaching 

I love Jalen Hurts as if he were my own son.

He is my guy.  The issue is -  that he’s falling off.  
 

He has this season to show the world who he is.  

31 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Well every other sport has potentially 7 games to determine their championship, not a single game win or lose championship. The environment of the Super Bowl is unmatched. The half time show, the media lead up to it, the glitz and glamor, etc. shoot the NFL’s commercials during the Super Bowl get more attention than the NHL championships lol. Let’s not fool ourselves here. There are expensive tickets because of is environment and spectacle in nature.

When it comes to purely a sports fan environment however, I think at the NHL and MLB are much better. Everything you mentioned is artificial and has nothing to do with the actual game fan atmosphere. Just look at the last two years of Phillies playoff baseball. I would argue that the atmosphere at CBP, even in non-deciding games and NLCS matchups are better than the Super Bowl. It can be easy to forget as a Flyers fan how electric WFC can be during the Stanley Cup Finals. The roof gets blown off. I understand that it might not be fair to compare a championship series with one game but that's also half the argument. Can you imagine if the World Series was so overpriced that you didn't have 45,000 Phillies creating bedlam at the Bank? 

No argument whatsoever with what you brought up however. The Super Bowl is an event, one of, if not the top events of the year. It's just you need all of the manufactured stuff that surrounds it to help build that. 

39 minutes ago, M.C. said:

IIRC, there was a play early on where McNabb got walloped and didn't buckle his chin strap on the next snap. 

From Bruschi I think

 

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Was there a question?  

Did I quote you earlier?

18 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

My vision and understanding of this game has been perfect from day one.

Jalen Hurts has been my guy.  I’m the one that supported him through the entire Wentz fiasco.  Especially against Wentz’ die hard fans who lost their minds when Hurts was the guy.

That said, you can’t have your ego surpass who you are and forget the people (the force) that got you there.  Because when that force is gone, you’re back to being what everyone said you would be.

Yes, Donovan McNabb was and is a better QB than Jalen Hurts.   

Now that can change.  But that’s up to Jalen Hurts. 

 

That's just not true.  I can't really take your opinion seriously anymore.  Again, has nothing to do with Jalen but McNabb was an all time choker.  He was what he was and that was a perennial choker. 

 

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

That's just not true.  I can't really take your opinion seriously anymore.  Again, has nothing to do with Jalen but McNabb was an all time choker.  He was what he was and that was a perennial choker. 

 

I guess.  That would be the opinion of a knucklehead. 
 

4-5 Championship games with James Thrash as your leading receiver says otherwise. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

I respect Asante Samuel - one of the best ball hawk corners we’ve ever had.

That said, guy wasn’t on the team until 2008.  By then McNabb was past his prime years and yeah, I can easily believe he was set in his ways by then.  
 

From the early 2000’s and up to the 2004 Super Bowl season, McNabb was easily the reason the Eagles were as successful as they were. I can’t think of an Eagles QB that has accomplished more with the receivers he had.  
 

All due respect to Jalen Hurts (he’s my guy) - Had McNabb had 3 receivers like Brown, Smith and Goedert, everyone in Philadelphia would be singing a different tune when it comes to McNabb’s career.  
 

That’s all. 

Hurts has a better work ethic than McNabb but McNabb had more talent, particularly for the times and the way the game was played then vs now

12 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Sounds like it actually…but who cares

9 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Did I quote you earlier?

I don't recall.  But, I don't think anyone was confused about why the NFL is trying to expand into the entire globe.   They chase every dollar, no matter how many they already have.

6 hours ago, austinfan said:

I'm not worried about Hurts, the RPO was a short-term trick offense, it wasn't sustainable, all running QBs have to learn how to play out of the pocket (Lamar? You hearin' me?).

Hurts problem was more the offense, I think some stat showed he had one of the highest margins over expected value as a passer, the problem was the scheme didn't get targets open - he might have been MVP if he could have played his defense every week. 😁

Johnson did start the transition of Hurts to a pocket passer with mobility, instead of a running QB - it wasn't going to be a one season transition. But Johnson simply was over his head at OC, and they ended up with the worst of both worlds, a somewhat hobbled (though not as bad as some suggest (he still ran for 605 yards and 15 TDs) QB in a passing offense that put a lot of pressure on him in the pocket.

Moore should be able to give him a better profile of targets and routes, and hopefully Howie will upgrade Watkins, find a RB who can pick up a blitz, and a 2nd TE who teams have to respect. Hurts will have a learning curve, how to use motion to expose a defense, timing on underneath routes instead of hitting stationary targets, real screen plays instead of those stupid WR screens, etc.

Hurts has an above average arm and above average accuracy (especially deep balls) - but he needs a scheme that gives him some easy throws, chucking it up to Brown and hope he makes a play is not a viable long-term offense.

In Moore's offense, I suspect the RPO becomes a "look" to make life harder for opposing DCs, not a mainstay of the offense.

 

Why has Sirianni been allergic to motion?  Hurts suffers at times with reads and speed to read.  I worry a bit that this aspect of his play lead to a simplification of what the presnap read would be, leading to a dearth of motion to the detriment of the receivers and even the backs and OL.  

20 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I love Jalen Hurts as if he were my own son.

He is my guy.  The issue is -  that he’s falling off.  
 

He has this season to show the world who he is.  

Or what?  Isn’t that sort of silly to say considering his contract?

He’s going into his 4th full season as a starter and will be under his 3rd offensive coach in that time.  Did McNabb have that same situation?

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

 

Hey... tell this fool what happens in Vegas...

6 minutes ago, McMVP said:

Sounds like it actually…but who cares

lol... SB rookie... he about to take that L. Owners will care lmao.

8 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

Hurts has a better work ethic than McNabb but McNabb had more talent, particularly for the times and the way the game was played then vs now

No one could kill worms like McNabb.

6 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Is that the justification I made for it though?   Not at all.    Each level having their own day to play their games and for the sport to have a level of rhythm unlike any other is a beautiful thing and doesn't create competition between the levels.   Fans of football don't need to choose between HS, College or Pro if each keeps to their lane.   Fans of all can enjoy all and do so without 'missing' the others.   But, the overlap creates chaos and limited fan availability for the others.    There's a reason, right now, that the NFL doesn't play on Saturdays until the NCAA season is over.  They do it so that they are not in competition with either other on the weekends.  But, now the NFL is pushing into Fridays?  And now they are competing with HS games?   Nah... that's just greed.

Thursdays have gotten into the mix with both College and NFL games on Thursday nights (Colleges were first, IIRC).  And it used to be the less high profile schools that would play, in order to get some exposure.   But then the NFL saw an opportunity to expand and make money on it (player safety and quality of the product be damned).  And so they pushed into TNF and the colleges were left in the lurch.    When the NFL pushes into a space, they generally push others out of it.  The NFL needs to stay out of Friday nights.

Well, Thursdays are for JV, always has been but JV typically wasn’t played under lights but rather right after school.  I agree, Friday nights should remain available for HS, but reality is that Saturday day games have been around as long as I can recall.  Part of that tied to stadium availability as not every school had a stadium. 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't recall.  But, I don't think anyone was confused about why the NFL is trying to expand into the entire globe.   They chase every dollar, no matter how many they already have.

There’s been general discussion about the game in Brazil, and some are excited for it and others aren’t. I simply posted a graphic to show people why they are choosing to grow the way internationally. I wasn’t referencing anyone.

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Well, Thursdays are for JV, always has been but JV typically wasn’t played under lights but rather right after school.  I agree, Friday nights should remain available for HS, but reality is that Saturday day games have been around as long as I can recall.  Part of that tied to stadium availability as not every school had a stadium. 

Our JV plays on Monday afternoon.     Wednesday afternoon for freshmen.    Saturday was for those who didn't have lights.

The NFL scheduling a Friday night game

 

27 minutes ago, McMVP said:

Or what?  Isn’t that sort of silly to say considering his contract?

He’s going into his 4th full season as a starter and will be under his 3rd offensive coach in that time.  Did McNabb have that same situation?

Not sure what you’re trying to get at.

 

Why is he on his 3rd offensive coach?

 

Bruh - you don’t want to go there, I promise you 

 

Jalen is my guy.  But if all of a sudden he’s not my guy anymore - good luck to him.