1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

This report should put to rest who made the decision to switch from Desai to Patricia.

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-haason-reddick-coverage-defense-matt-patricia-20240104.html

 

In my opinion, or at least what helps me sleep at night, is the FO forced the decision to change DCs, and the team essentially quit on the FO because they didn't like the decision.

Desai was dealt a bad hand with next to zero talent at LB and S. I really do wonder how much of the collapse is tied back to this decision and the FO Fed up any possible evaluations.

A player referring to "higher-ups" could mean coaches or front office. 

I know everyone liked to blame Howie and Lurie for everything, and maybe they made this call. But, like everything else with this organization, we'll never know for sure.

2 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

This report should put to rest who made the decision to switch from Desai to Patricia.

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-haason-reddick-coverage-defense-matt-patricia-20240104.html

 

In my opinion, or at least what helps me sleep at night, is the FO forced the decision to change DCs, and the team essentially quit on the FO because they didn't like the decision.

Desai was dealt a bad hand with next to zero talent at LB and S. I really do wonder how much of the collapse is tied back to this decision and the FO Fed up any possible evaluations.

 

37 minutes ago, paco said:

That plus Howie having too much influence were my top 2.  Cap health #3A. Roster Age #3B.  

 

Ironically, I think the "most effective" thing Sirianni could do to convince Lurie he deserves another season is to blame everything on Jalen Hurts. Which would probably end up backfiring because they paid Hurts a lot of money and if they get the feel that Hurts won't thrive under Sirianni, Sirianni is probably toast.

I just don't get how trying to argue he needs new coordinators to fix their issues when they had a full year to figure out how to counter a simple blitz and could not... being too dumb to do that, hiring new coordinators is the least of your problems. And I don't think(or I'd hope, anyway) Lurie wouldn't buy that. So the only thing he could really do to get blame off of him would be to blame the QB.

45 minutes ago, paco said:

Out of curiosity, what warts do you see?  I don't disagree they are there, I have a funny feeling the lists may be different.

Ownership involvement. Howie’s personnel say and involvement with coaching staff decisions. Lowie moving on from Super Bowl coaches pretty quickly. Having to be in lockstep with their belief if analytics and being pass first (not really a problem for me though)

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

A player referring to "higher-ups" could mean coaches or front office. 

I know everyone liked to blame Howie and Lurie for everything, and maybe they made this call. But, like everything else with this organization, we'll never know for sure.

Or God.  Could mean God.

 

NICK!  SWITCH TO PATRICIA!

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Ownership involvement. Howie’s personnel say and involvement with coaching staff decisions. Lowie moving on from Super Bowl coaches pretty quickly. Having to be in lockstep with their belief if analytics and being pass first (not really a problem for me though)

Gotcha.  That's where I am at.  I just read what you wrote differently (happens a lot with me  ) and was curious

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

A player referring to "higher-ups" could mean coaches or front office. 

I know everyone liked to blame Howie and Lurie for everything, and maybe they made this call. But, like everything else with this organization, we'll never know for sure.

I see him using higher-ups to refer to the FO, not the coaching staff. His more recent comments that came out in support of Sirianni leads me to believe the FO fiddled around and made the decision to pull the rug. We will really never know, and maybe I'm just meaninglessly stringing things together. I know Jeff McLane had some reporting on the transition and timing of everything, hopefully he's able to uncover some more.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

As if I needed more excuses to fall in love with him.

48 minutes ago, paco said:

psst.... It's very likely he's not an eagles fan mentally stable.

FYP

47 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I honestly don't think so. I think that logic is being overplayed. Any candidate who watched that game on Monday night would immediately understand why he was fired. That was one of the worst coaching jobs you'll ever see. And considering coaches watch film on teams to prepare for interviews, when they watch film of the Eagles and see how poorly coached they are I think their immediate reaction is going to be "My god... what the hell am I watching here? What I could do with this offense..." rather than "Why the hell would they fire Nick???"

This is a very valid point. Slowik and Johnson probably watch that and know what they could do with this offensive roster in comparison.

24 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

the Eagles would be better off without Eagles "fans"

Mommy gives you way too much screen time.

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Both Harbaugh and Tomlin inherited a winning culture.  Cowher won a Super Bowl before Tomlin got there, and Billick won a Super Bowl before Harbaugh got there.  Both franchises have organizational stability and an excellent front office.  Those coaches both benefit a huge amount from their environment.

Now tell me what the organizational culture is where one head coach gets fired 3 years after winning a Super Bowl, and the next one gets fired one year after getting to one.  

There is no comparison. The Eagles are currently in uncharted territory as far as a colossal collapse. This is not about one bad performance. This is not about philosophy or scheme or personnel decisions...this is about a man who possibly has lost his players. If he lost the locker room, he has to go. Lurie will get to the roots and make his decision, hopefully today.

Just a reminder, Reich and Steichen weren’t hot OC names or home run hires on paper either. 

The only thing that concerns me is the Eagles know getting a late start last time hurt them in the coaching search. You'd think if they were to fire Sirianni they'd learn from last time and do it ASAP. If nothing breaks on this front today, I think the chances plummet.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Just a reminder, Reich and Steichen weren’t hot OC names or home run hires on paper either. 

SOME CLOWN NAMED MIKE LOMBARDI SAID DOUG PEDERSON WAS THE LEAST QUALIFIED HEAD COACH IN THE NFL

36 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Did he? Or was it the offensive minded HC who also calls plays? Van Pelt was OC/QB Coach, and I'd guess he was more involved with QB's than running the offense which was Stefanski. Watson stunk all year. The other 2 QB's stunk. Flacco showed up with some lightening in a bottle and that ran out fast. 

They lost Chubb and their top 4 tackles too. It was darn near a miracle to make the playoffs. I suspect, though, this is 100 percent about trying to get Watson right. 

9 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

There is no comparison. The Eagles are currently in uncharted territory as far as a colossal collapse. This is not about one bad performance. This is not about philosophy or scheme or personnel decisions...this is about a man who possibly has lost his players. If he lost the locker room, he has to go. Lurie will get to the roots and make his decision, hopefully today.

This.  Spot on. 

Dallas Cowboys: First time in NFL history that a team with 7 or more pro bowl players lost in the playoffs to a team that had zero

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

How eagles fans want that meeting to go 

What have you done for me lately. 1-6 getting plastered by bad teams in pivotal games, and absolutely embarrassed by playoff worthy opponents. 
 

SB appearance is a fluke led by a soft schedule and even worse playoff opponents. 

Just now, Aerolithe_Lion said:

First time in NFL history that a team with 7 or more pro bowl players lost in the playoffs to a team that had zero

Yea but it's pretty absurd their 1st team all pro Safety didn't make the pro bowl

They're saying on McAfee show how Bowles put on a "master class" against the Eagles by....guess what...blitzing!

Wow what a master.  Who could have seen that coming? Blitzes, I'll be damned. 

45 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

the Eagles would be better off without Eagles "fans"

You’re an idiot 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

This.  Spot on. 

Again, IF.  That's the crux of the conversation.  And -- IF -- the players quit on a coach who went 26-5 before the free fall, do you really think a new head coach will fix those players?

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Again, IF.  That's the crux of the conversation.  And -- IF -- the players quit on a coach who went 26-5 before the free fall, do you really think a new head coach will fix those players?

Absolutely. Have you ever had a terrible manager who messed up employee morale and then a new manager came in an breathed life into the staff? Or vice versa? 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Again, IF.  That's the crux of the conversation.  And -- IF -- the players quit on a coach who went 26-5 before the free fall, do you really think a new head coach will fix those players?

Yes. The right coach will, without question.  That’s exactly what good head coaches do. 

38 minutes ago, paco said:

That plus Howie having too much influence were my top 2.  Cap health #3A. Roster Age #3B.  

That would be where I am, we're unlikely to be able to do much splashy in free agency again with Dickerson, Reddick, Smith, Sweat, Blankenship, Maddox, Elliott and all of the D line depth outside Ojomo entering the last year of contract (and no team could afford to lose all of them), Dean is the only linebacker on the roster for next year and Byard looks hugely expensive for what he offered this year, so any defensive personnel change is likely to be through the draft and hoping rookies make a big year 2 leap. Add to that Driscoll and Opeta hit free agency so that's more cap you have to commit or guys you have to replace at O line depth as well as drafting a starting guard if Kelce does confirm that he is hanging them up.

1 minute ago, GoEagles614 said:

Absolutely. Have you ever had a terrible manager who messed up employee morale and then a new manager came in an breathed life into the staff? Or vice versa? 

What are you arguing?  That Sirianni lacks an offensive scheme to compete, or that he's terrible in the locker room and the players don't trust him?

Eagles need to get younger and more talented , currently second oldest team