Just now, Mike030270 said:

Tua came back from that really bad concussion that had people thinking he should retire

Yes, but he didn't play QB for the Jets.   Jets QB position is where players' careers go to die.

2 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

Devin Hester a HoFer? Antonio Gates made far more impact to the NFL as a UDFA than Devin Hester ever did; Hester was good, Gates helped to redefine the TE position.

I actually do like Hester as a HoFer. He's arguably the best PR/KR of all time. Opposing teams simply stopped kicking the ball to him, he has all the records for his position, 4 All-Pros, 4 Pro-Bowls; that should get you into the HOF. 

15 minutes ago, beto_eagles said:

I actually do like Hester as a HoFer. He's arguably the best PR/KR of all time. Opposing teams simply stopped kicking the ball to him, he has all the records for his position, 4 All-Pros, 4 Pro-Bowls; that should get you into the HOF. 

Not all the records. Brian Mitchell had more yards than anyone in both kick and punt returns. That said, I think both of them should be in the HOF.

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Hamlin barely played all year. He was a healthy scratch a lot.. IMO had that unfortunate situation not have happened, he’d have been cut in July. Instead, they’ll cut him soon to avoid the PR backlash. Flacco balled out for a bit. 

7 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Hamlin barely played all year. He was a healthy scratch a lot.. IMO had that unfortunate situation not have happened, he’d have been cut in July. Instead, they’ll cut him soon to avoid the PR backlash. Flacco balled out for a bit. 

Yeah I was thinking to be comeback player of the year you actually have to play pretty well.

I haven't heard much about Demar's play on the field.  If he had made a probowl or close to it then I can see him winning.

Comeback player of the year isn't really that important of an award.  Not many care about it like they do MVP or DPOY.  They probably could have gave it to Demar just for a feel good moment and nobody would have cared.  Not sure Flacco deserved it either.

Is Jalen Carter a bust?

I always thought there should be two different awards. Comeback player of the year which is for injuries or off the field hardships. And then Most Improved which directly relates to last year or years performance compared to current year. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I always thought there should be two different awards. Comeback player of the year which is for injuries or off the field hardships. And then Most Improved which directly relates to last year or years performance compared to current year. 

When James bradberry wins the comeback player of the year award next year we’ll all have a good chuckle about his crappy 2023….

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

That the whole point of making money…

security, optionality, resources

Societies need to be free and stable for people to make money.  Injustice leads to instability in societies.  

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Is Jalen Carter a bust?

Should the Eagles trade Jalen Carter for Jahmyr Gibbs.  

We know Dallas won't be playing in the game because Goodell wouldn't dare inconvenience Jerry.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

A few reasons:

-- as likely constructed, the Eagles will be a playoff team again in 2024.  SF is very likely an opponent they will need to go through to get where they need to go.

-- Lane is a leader in the locker room; what he says carries significant weight among the rank-and-file guys on the team.  If he isn't confident, they won't be

-- He's thrown the coaching staff and his fellow players under the bus IMO.  There were 5 games and a playoff game after SF; the logical inference from his comments is he viewed the team as a non-contender when they were 10-2.

-- Lane is the guy who said "don't give the opponent anything; don't show anything like frustration because the opponent picks up on that".  You go from that to telling the media that the team was wrecked at 10-2??  That's a really poor look for the team and organization.  Comments like that can't go outside the locker room.

-- Even if you felt SF had figured out your offense -- regroup.  They had what should have been 4 easy games to finish the season.  Get on a roll offensively against NYG and ARI and go into the playoffs with some confidence at least.  Lane's comments show me why some posters have said the Eagles players were just going through the motions, even in the playoff game against Tampa.    

 

Gotta say it bluntly -- the leadership group among these players should come under intense scrutiny.  Reports that the defensive players went to Sirianni after the DAL game pretty much trashing Desai and his abilities, to the point where Sirianni felt he needed to relieve Desai of his duties?  Either the reaction was a kneejerk panic reaction (as Aikman asserted) or the players checked out on Desai.  Neither option is good at all.  Couple that with Brian Johnson getting fired by the organization because the offense became a dysfunctional mess.

The Eagles have changed the coaches.  Moore and Fangio are now here in place of BJ and Desai.  Not sure it'll be as easy to bring some resiliency into the building, though. 

  

SF will collapse next season when they lose in the Super Bowl.  

The reality is that the Eagles played like trash from the SF game onward and did not get the issues fixed.  They were broken and will remain broken until they fix the problems.  I think Lane is acknowledging his failures along with the failures of other players and the coaching staff.  To me, it's refreshing and a sign that they have acknowledged the problem they need to fix.  If you're correct and they need to go through SF, then understanding they have to change their game plan to beat them is a key to beating them.  If he just said, the players did not execute or the team just had bad luck, then that doesn't really address the heart of the issue.  

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Societies need to be free and stable for people to make money.  Injustice leads to instability in societies.  

Socialists love such vague and subjective terms

societies need contract law and property rights. Thats it

40 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Hamlin barely played all year. He was a healthy scratch a lot.. IMO had that unfortunate situation not have happened, he’d have been cut in July. Instead, they’ll cut him soon to avoid the PR backlash. Flacco balled out for a bit. 

IMHO, all jokes aside, in order to be the comeback player of the "year", you need to play in more games than Joe played in.   I don't know the full history of the award, but only playing in 5 games seems to be too short of a stint to be comeback player of the year.   He should definitely get the comeback player of the month of December though.  

It isn't about 5 games (which is less than 1/3 of the season...) but about the full season.   I think the recency bias of his December is why he got the award.   If he'd done that in September and then disappeared, would he have won the award?

15 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

SF will collapse next season when they lose in the Super Bowl.  

The reality is that the Eagles played like trash from the SF game onward and did not get the issues fixed.  They were broken and will remain broken until they fix the problems.  I think Lane is acknowledging his failures along with the failures of other players and the coaching staff.  To me, it's refreshing and a sign that they have acknowledged the problem they need to fix.  If you're correct and they need to go through SF, then understanding they have to change their game plan to beat them is a key to beating them.  If he just said, the players did not execute or the team just had bad luck, then that doesn't really address the heart of the issue.  

The Niners losing the Super Bowl, and having a hangover is probably one of the major reasons why I want them to lose. Because I think they’re gonna have a hangover next year and they did a good job avoiding major injuries. Also think if purdy has a real stinker that the team starts doubting him and could wind up carrying over to next year. Plus they have to make a decision after next year on purdy as he have 1 year left before FA and they have a bunch of guys they have to re-sign 

20 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

SF will collapse next season when they lose in the Super Bowl.  

The reality is that the Eagles played like trash from the SF game onward and did not get the issues fixed.  They were broken and will remain broken until they fix the problems.  I think Lane is acknowledging his failures along with the failures of other players and the coaching staff.  To me, it's refreshing and a sign that they have acknowledged the problem they need to fix.  If you're correct and they need to go through SF, then understanding they have to change their game plan to beat them is a key to beating them.  If he just said, the players did not execute or the team just had bad luck, then that doesn't really address the heart of the issue.  

They were mostly broken before the SF game too.

 

As for Lane's comments... admitting you have a problem is half the battle.    They ignored it for far too long.

20 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Socialists love such vague and subjective terms

societies need contract law and property rights. Thats it

Societies also need CRIMINAL law.  Having money shouldn't ever impact your status in criminal proceedings.   Domestic abuse is a crime, and should be investigated and properly prosecuted as such.   

And I am FAR from any kind of socialist.  I am, however, pro law and order.    Orderly society has the same rules and the same application of those rules in the eyes of the law for everyone.  

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

IMHO, all jokes aside, in order to be the comeback player of the "year", you need to play in more games than Joe played in.   I don't know the full history of the award, but only playing in 5 games seems to be too short of a stint to be comeback player of the year.   He should definitely get the comeback player of the month of December though.  

It isn't about 5 games (which is less than 1/3 of the season...) but about the full season.   I think the recency bias of his December is why he got the award.   If he'd done that in September and then disappeared, would he have won the award?

You are correct. Maybe Stafford would’ve been the best choice?

40 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Socialists love such vague and subjective terms

societies need contract law and property rights. Thats it

So, you've become an economic historian or did you just read a book that agreed with your pre-concieved opinions.

41 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Socialists love such vague and subjective terms

societies need contract law and property rights. Thats it

And access to courts to enforce those rights without regard to the resources of the litigant. 

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

A few reasons:

-- as likely constructed, the Eagles will be a playoff team again in 2024.  SF is very likely an opponent they will need to go through to get where they need to go.

-- Lane is a leader in the locker room; what he says carries significant weight among the rank-and-file guys on the team.  If he isn't confident, they won't be

-- He's thrown the coaching staff and his fellow players under the bus IMO.  There were 5 games and a playoff game after SF; the logical inference from his comments is he viewed the team as a non-contender when they were 10-2.

-- Lane is the guy who said "don't give the opponent anything; don't show anything like frustration because the opponent picks up on that".  You go from that to telling the media that the team was wrecked at 10-2??  That's a really poor look for the team and organization.  Comments like that can't go outside the locker room.

-- Even if you felt SF had figured out your offense -- regroup.  They had what should have been 4 easy games to finish the season.  Get on a roll offensively against NYG and ARI and go into the playoffs with some confidence at least.  Lane's comments show me why some posters have said the Eagles players were just going through the motions, even in the playoff game against Tampa.    

 

Gotta say it bluntly -- the leadership group among these players should come under intense scrutiny.  Reports that the defensive players went to Sirianni after the DAL game pretty much trashing Desai and his abilities, to the point where Sirianni felt he needed to relieve Desai of his duties?  Either the reaction was a kneejerk panic reaction (as Aikman asserted) or the players checked out on Desai.  Neither option is good at all.  Couple that with Brian Johnson getting fired by the organization because the offense became a dysfunctional mess.

The Eagles have changed the coaches.  Moore and Fangio are now here in place of BJ and Desai.  Not sure it'll be as easy to bring some resiliency into the building, though. 

  

Football is the easiest sport to make 'tude changes, you're going to have 20+ new players next year, just cut a veteran or two who doesn't come to camp prepared to fight for a job, or have them push a sled.

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Societies also need CRIMINAL law.  Having money shouldn't ever impact your status in criminal proceedings.   Domestic abuse is a crime, and should be investigated and properly prosecuted as such.   

And I am FAR from any kind of socialist.  I am, however, pro law and order.    Orderly society has the same rules and the same application of those rules in the eyes of the law for everyone.  

What we call socialism in America isn't really socialism.  Socialism is about public ownership of property and resources.  Government programs to subsidize people and businesses aren't socialism.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

What we call socialism in America isn't really socialism.  Socialism is about public ownership of property and resources.  Government programs to subsidize people and businesses aren't socialism.  

Agreed.   

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not sure that it was an implication.  It appeared to be an outright declaration.

Yea, I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that he either didn't bother to read the previous posts for proper context or was just being sarcastic. I would honestly hope nobody actually worships money to the point where they use it to justify domestic assault, but maybe I'm being too charitable.