3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Even in this scenario, we should STILL make this trade. Reddick is 30. He has at most 2 years of very good play left, which will require 20+M APY. He will not age gracefully as a player given how he plays. Once he loses half a step, it's over for him.

Trade him.

Don't necessarily agree with that, I think it's a baseless projection. And he was never a full time pass rusher until recent years so I think he has less tread on the tires.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Don't necessarily agree with that, I think it's a baseless projection. And he was never a full time pass rusher until recent years so I think he has less tread on the tires.

He’s also not a run stuffing DE. If we’re paying top dollar for a guy I want a complete player. I appreciated his contributions when he was making 15m$ AAV, but 25m$ can be better used elsewhere

32 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh he deserves to at least be suspended if not banned. This is about the 5th time he’s pulled this crap where he gets drunk, acts belligerent and calls people names. If you can’t drink  responsibly then don’t drink and especially don’t come on here. he will eventually come on here and apologize. Even though his apology is now hallow cause it’s a bunch of bs as he’ll do the same thing all over again down the road. 

Meh.   Suspension or ban seems extreme.   

21 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

I think this is what a lot of people are not realizing, and this can get messy pretty easily. This isn't the Eagles actively trying to shop him, this is Reddick and his camp pushing for this because he doesn't want to play in this type of defense. Reddick stayed in his lane last offseason and had his mini-holdout, but he has more leverage this year.

I don't think its about the type of defense, I think its 100% about the contract.

22 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I love homophones, I want you to know that

Eye never new that about ewe.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Eye never new that about ewe.

Hollowed be thy name

16 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I call it the Derrick Burgess rule. After Derrick Burgess left the eagles, he ended up leading the league in sacks for the Raiders. But that doesn’t matter because he didn’t do that here. Same with Barnett, same with Rowe, same with Agholor. They all earned their exit regardless of what another team turned them into.
 

Andy was a tire fire his last 2 seasons in Philly, additional seasons should not be thrown away at the hope it gets turned around. Part of the reason KC was good right away was because he had a situation where he could reset himself and the team. That wasn’t the situation here.

Incidentally, Eric Rowe and Agholor plagued their future teams with the same frustrations we had with them.

4 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

He’s also not a run stuffing DE. If we’re paying top dollar for a guy I want a complete player. I appreciated his contributions when he was making 15m$ AAV, but 25m$ can be better used elsewhere

I think we've gotten way too picky. Team finally got a stud pass rusher that the franchise has lacked for years and now we take it for granted and are like "Eh, we can do better." He's one of the best edge rushers in the NFL. The odds of them finding a player as good as him any time soon are not high. Especially with how they draft on defense.

23 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I was one of the few people on the message board that said to keep Andy Reid. my rationale was you were really unlikely to get a better coach than him, and if you thought a second year Nick Foles could be a franchise quarterback than Andy Reid is the guy to maximize his potential.

That said, I also understood why reid, Lurie and the eagles made the decision they did. I didn’t like it, but at least understood the rationale and the reasons behind it ( Reid’s family issues, team decline and other factors). So I couldn’t really blame them for making that decision they did. 

For what AR has accomplished at KC, he did not fair that well prior to the arrival of Mahommes.  His tenure with the Eagles produced multiple winning seasons and one trip to SB.  Yet he could be push thru for a SB win.  Good coaches are one thing, good players to execute the plans are the crucial elements to bring home the ultimate trophy.

IMHO, KC's victory yesterday based mainly on two elements: the TO on 49ers' mistake on that punt return (up to that point, the Chiefs were not playing well) and the sheer determination of Mahommes to win.  

My favorite time of the year...here's a realistic scenario with a trade down:

Stop. Extending. 30 Year olds. To Market-level deals.

Good teams don't do this.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't think its about the type of defense, I think its 100% about the contract.

Its most likely both, but agree that money is the bigger factor. Reddick has expressed his frustration with dropping in coverage and Fangio is going to ask him to drop in coverage, probably more than what Desai/Patricia asked. I don't blame Reddick, he's very good at rushing the passer and probably feels like hes not being maximized. If I was paid enough I would shut up and do the job, like Reddick did last year.

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

It should be an interesting offseason, with two experienced coordinators who can tell Howie who they want to keep and what they want to add.

What makes the NFL different is you can reshape a roster quickly to suit a new scheme. Like add a back who can actually pick up blitzes.

Last season adding two inexperienced coordinators meant Howie was basically flying by the seat of his pants.

‘Tis extension season.  Lovato, Mann, Swift at reasonable cost.  Real old vets, no.   Love what Kelce, Fletcher, BG brought but time to move on. Maybe Opeta if cheap, but not at a premium cost.  Time to move on from some mid tier vets and expiring first contracts. (Driscoll, Bradley, Albert O and Quez). Probably time to replace Boston Scott.  Need to figure out what to do with Byard and Bradberry.   

Reddick's number one skill is his pass rushing ability and he will be measured heavily on his sack production, so I really only focused on sacks.

Very brief look at some top pass rushers when they hit 30:

Von Miller fell off a cliff at 30, no double digit years after
Aaron Donald at 30 had double digit sacks, then fell off a cliff considering the rest of his career. Only 5 sacks 2 seasons ago and 8 sacks this past year.
Matt Judon at 30 had double digit sacks, then got injured and had a down year. Late bloomer, but had a small window of elite sack production.
Kahil Mack started to drop at 28, then had a career year at 32. No double digit sacks from 28 - 31
Leonard Floyd - solid for 30 and 31, then completely fell off and we saw the player he was.
Demarcus Lawrence - has declined in sacks since he was 27. 27- 31 no double digit sacks
Justin Houston - double digit sacks @ 30 then never again

I understand these are all different types of players, but these players were considered some of the best at different points in their career. Based on the above, its clear why some may be reluctant to extend Reddick, and would rather trade him.

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

‘Tis extension season.  Lovato, Mann, Swift at reasonable cost.  Real old vets, no.   Love what Kelce, Fletcher, BG brought but time to move on. Maybe Opeta if cheap, but not at a premium cost.  Time to move on from some mid tier vets and expiring first contracts. (Driscoll, Bradley, Albert O and Quez). Probably time to replace Boston Scott.  Need to figure out what to do with Byard and Bradberry.   

What is there to figure with Byard?   He's washed.  He's got a $14M cap number if kept, he's got a $1.4M dead cap hit if cut.   There's no decision to be made.   It's made already.   Bye bye.   If he wants to come back on the vet minimum... I would keep his number... and then still not call him.

Bradberry shouldn't have been brought back, and definitely not at the cost they gave him.  Aging CBs just aren't worth big money.   If they were going to bring him back, it should have been at minimal cost and nothing that locks them in to him.   He needs to be a post-June 1 cut.  $4.3M dead for this year and they eat the rest for next year.

21 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't think its about the type of defense, I think its 100% about the contract.

I think it's a little bit both. He likely knows his value is currently at the highest and a full year under Fangio could affect his sack numbers. 

Is it bad I want to see us get some larger DE's.  I know many in here were against Van Ness and Karlaftis in the past but i want some DE's on our team who are 6 foot 5 275 vs 6 foot 2 240 pounds

12 minutes ago, RLC said:

Stop. Extending. 30 Year olds. To Market-level deals.

Good teams don't do this.

It should be a case by case basis. I don't believe good teams have arbitrary rigid rules they don't have any nuance for. It depends on the position, player, injury history, where your team is in a championship window, etc. Graham had 11 sacks at 35, I think Reddick could be putting up 14 sacks at 32. I wouldn't want to sign the guy for 5 years, but he's 29. I'd be fine giving him a new 3 year deal.

2 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Reddick's number one skill is his pass rushing ability and he will be measured heavily on his sack production, so I really only focused on sacks.

Very brief look at some top pass rushers when they hit 30:

Von Miller fell off a cliff at 30, no double digit years after
Aaron Donald at 30 had double digit sacks, then fell off a cliff considering the rest of his career. Only 5 sacks 2 seasons ago and 8 sacks this past year.
Matt Judon at 30 had double digit sacks, then got injured and had a down year. Late bloomer, but had a small window of elite sack production.
Kahil Mack started to drop at 28, then had a career year at 32. No double digit sacks from 28 - 31
Leonard Floyd - solid for 30 and 31, then completely fell off and we saw the player he was.
Demarcus Lawrence - has declined in sacks since he was 27. 27- 31 no double digit sacks
Justin Houston - double digit sacks @ 30 then never again

I understand these are all different types of players, but these players were considered some of the best at different points in their career. Based on the above, its clear why some may be reluctant to extend Reddick, and would rather trade him.

Agreed.    Joe Banner wasn't stupid.  There's a reason that he put that line in the sand regarding 30+ year olds.   You don't invest big money in them, because it usually ends up biting you in the back end eventually... and usually sooner rather than later.

You let him find his market.  If there is one, great.  Get something back in trade.   If there's not, that says something about his value as seen around the league and should dramatically lower his asking price. 

3 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Reddick's number one skill is his pass rushing ability and he will be measured heavily on his sack production, so I really only focused on sacks.

Very brief look at some top pass rushers when they hit 30:

Von Miller fell off a cliff at 30, no double digit years after
Aaron Donald at 30 had double digit sacks, then fell off a cliff considering the rest of his career. Only 5 sacks 2 seasons ago and 8 sacks this past year.
Matt Judon at 30 had double digit sacks, then got injured and had a down year. Late bloomer, but had a small window of elite sack production.
Kahil Mack started to drop at 28, then had a career year at 32. No double digit sacks from 28 - 31
Leonard Floyd - solid for 30 and 31, then completely fell off and we saw the player he was.
Demarcus Lawrence - has declined in sacks since he was 27. 27- 31 no double digit sacks
Justin Houston - double digit sacks @ 30 then never again

I understand these are all different types of players, but these players were considered some of the best at different points in their career. Based on the above, its clear why some may be reluctant to extend Reddick, and would rather trade him.

Yep, and there is also the fact that both ARI and CAR chose to let Reddick walk out the door as a free agent, despite putting up double-digit sack seasons.

If Reddick was included in a deal for Surtain II how much more in draft capital would we have to give up?

4 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

If Reddick was included in a deal for Surtain II how much more in draft capital would we have to give up?

Tons cause that's not going to fly for Denver. We'll give you an aging vet for the best young CB in the game.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

As if you calling me names could hurt me anymore than being called out by @Ace Nova

You will always be my boo 

56 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't agree, Reddick is the exact type of guy you pay. He's a premium pass rusher. If anyone they should trade Sweat. Sweat is so damn overrated. I think people forget how much of a force this guy is because of how the season ended, where everyone on the defense played poorly.

How many pass rushers are productive into their 30s?  I agree he's a premium player this season.  I just don't think they want to invest the cap space to keep him given his age.