3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Haven't really found much on Moore, a lot of fluff pieces but nothing detailing what he does, something like modified WCO with elements from Coryell, blah, blah, blah.

https://theathletic.com/4158908/2023/02/06/dallas-cowboys-offense-analysis-dak-prescott/

whatever you read on Fangio likely as not as good as this. And I think this says differently about how he uses his safeties. He makes it LOOK like 2 high, but one will often be spinning down to support the run or attack short routes.

https://www.readoptional.com/p/the-book-of-fangio-part-i-the-philosophy

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The blog is probably why he needed therapy 

That and the fact his leg is worse than a soup sandwich.  

Not to rehash the Jordan Davis draft pick conversation again but after watching the Super Bowl, it's insanely frustrating to see the Chiefs come away with both Trent McDuffie and George Karlaftis at 21 and 30, meanwhile the Eagles traded up for Davis.

McDuffie is on his way to being a top CB in the NFL and proved he's a lockdown CB this postseason. Karlaftis is headed towards a Jason Allen type of career at DE with 16.5 sacks already. 

McDuffie has played 1,659 snaps while Karlaftis has played 1,485. These guys don't come off the field. Jordan Davis has 743 snaps under his belt after 2 years and I don't expect his snap count to increase that much. Trading 4 picks for a guy who has 28 tackles and 2.5 sacks. Terrible use of resources. 

You just can't trade up and use a premium pick on a guy who doesn't even see the field half the time. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Not to rehash the Jordan Davis draft pick conversation again but after watching the Super Bowl, it's insanely frustrating to see the Chiefs come away with both Trent McDuffie and George Karlaftis at 21 and 30, meanwhile the Eagles traded up for Davis.

McDuffie is on his way to being a top CB in the NFL and proved he's a lockdown CB this postseason. Karlaftis is headed towards a Jason Allen type of career at DE with 16.5 sacks already. 

McDuffie has played 1,659 snaps while Karlaftis has played 1,485. These guys don't come off the field. Jordan Davis has 743 snaps under his belt after 2 years and I don't expect his snap count to increase that much. Trading 4 picks for a guy who has 28 tackles and 2.5 sacks. Terrible use of resources. 

You just can't trade up and use a premium pick on a guy who doesn't even see the field half the time. 

Sure, but the vast majority of folks in here wanted nothing to do with Karlaftis.  There's picking the right guy, then the more important part of drafting which is developing the player to be the right guy.  I'd say the Chiefs are doing a far better job of developing players.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Not to rehash the Jordan Davis draft pick conversation again but after watching the Super Bowl, it's insanely frustrating to see the Chiefs come away with both Trent McDuffie and George Karlaftis at 21 and 30, meanwhile the Eagles traded up for Davis.

McDuffie is on his way to being a top CB in the NFL and proved he's a lockdown CB this postseason. Karlaftis is headed towards a Jason Allen type of career at DE with 16.5 sacks already. 

McDuffie has played 1,659 snaps while Karlaftis has played 1,485. These guys don't come off the field. Jordan Davis has 743 snaps under his belt after 2 years and I don't expect his snap count to increase that much. Trading 4 picks for a guy who has 28 tackles and 2.5 sacks. Terrible use of resources. 

You just can't trade up and use a premium pick on a guy who doesn't even see the field half the time. 

You are super negative, man. Inside DTs usually don't round into form and start taking that many snaps for 2-3 years. When they do it's a premium position, so patience. Our early season was really good with him until the whole team fell off a cliff, at least give him one more season before you bury him. Geez.

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Not to rehash the Jordan Davis draft pick conversation again but after watching the Super Bowl, it's insanely frustrating to see the Chiefs come away with both Trent McDuffie and George Karlaftis at 21 and 30, meanwhile the Eagles traded up for Davis.

McDuffie is on his way to being a top CB in the NFL and proved he's a lockdown CB this postseason. Karlaftis is headed towards a Jason Allen type of career at DE with 16.5 sacks already. 

McDuffie has played 1,659 snaps while Karlaftis has played 1,485. These guys don't come off the field. Jordan Davis has 743 snaps under his belt after 2 years and I don't expect his snap count to increase that much. Trading 4 picks for a guy who has 28 tackles and 2.5 sacks. Terrible use of resources. 

You just can't trade up and use a premium pick on a guy who doesn't even see the field half the time. 

More Howie defensive failure, I'm legit nervous about this off season. Howie messes this up and it's going to severely damage us. 

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

More Howie defensive failure, I'm legit nervous about this off season. Howie messes this up and it's going to severely damage us. 

Going to severely damage us even more.   The defense is in shambles already.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sure, but the vast majority of folks in here wanted nothing to do with Karlaftis.  There's picking the right guy, then the more important part of drafting which is developing the player to be the right guy.  I'd say the Chiefs are doing a far better job of developing players.

I was one of those guys that was anti-Karlaftis, but I was even more anti-Davis. Agree wholeheartedly with you on the development. The Eagles track record for developing players is among the worst in the league if you ask me. I really hope this revised coaching staff does a better job. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Going to severely damage us even more.   The defense is in shambles already.

Well yeah, that's true too. But he still has control this off season which worries me. 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sure, but the vast majority of folks in here wanted nothing to do with Karlaftis.  There's picking the right guy, then the more important part of drafting which is developing the player to be the right guy.  I'd say the Chiefs are doing a far better job of developing players.

I agree that the Chiefs did better developing players last year, but this isn't a good comparison. DEs and CBs usually give more immediate results. DT takes a little more time, historically.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sure, but the vast majority of folks in here wanted nothing to do with Karlaftis.  There's picking the right guy, then the more important part of drafting which is developing the player to be the right guy.  I'd say the Chiefs are doing a far better job of developing players.

I mean the eagles drafting and developing defensive players since 2019 ( 5 years of drafts) hasn’t exactly been good. Since then Carter is about the only one they drafted and hit on that became an impact starter. Everyone else has been underwhelming, rotational piece or just not good. And it’s not like they haven’t used or given up high draft picks (traded a future 3rd for ringo) to get young defensive players. Picks used or traded away (ringo) were 3 firsts, 5 third round picks. One of their better development players was TJ Edwards an UDFA and they let him walk. 

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

Well yeah, that's true too. But he still has control this off season which worries me. 

Of course, he's the one that let it reach this state in the first place.   

 

But, its ok, Howie always knows what he's doing and he deserves no criticism.  

 

11 minutes ago, twistr said:

I agree that the Chiefs did better developing players last year, but this isn't a good comparison. DEs and CBs usually give more immediate results. DT takes a little more time, historically.

What are your expectations for Davis then? Do you think he will ever play more than 50% of the snaps? Do you think it's smart to trade up for a guy who's impact is limited to half of a game? If you're drafting a CB in the 1st round, he's either CB1 or CB2. He's not coming off the field. You're getting more value just by playing time. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Interesting he'd want to stick with Cousins

14 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sure, but the vast majority of folks in here wanted nothing to do with Karlaftis.  There's picking the right guy, then the more important part of drafting which is developing the player to be the right guy.  I'd say the Chiefs are doing a far better job of developing players.

I was pro Karlaftis

I'm kinda out on Jordan Davis but I think the process behind the pick was fine. 

12 minutes ago, twistr said:

I agree that the Chiefs did better developing players last year, but this isn't a good comparison. DEs and CBs usually give more immediate results. DT takes a little more time, historically.

Stats to back that up ? I can’t recall which players said it , but he said DT is the easiest position to learn 

I’ll see if I can’t find the quote 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm kinda out on Jordan Davis but I think the process behind the pick was fine. 

Im eager to see what he can do as a true NT

 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Jefferson will get over it.  Extending Cousins just isn't the right move; he'll turn 36 before the season starts and the Vikings have not been perennial contenders.  They might be a team that tries to move up from #11 and gives up their 2025 1st (and other picks) to get a QB.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What are your expectations for Davis then? Do you he will ever play more than 50% of the snaps? Do you think it's smart to trade up for a guy who's impact is limited to half of a game? If you're drafting a CB in the 1st round, he's either CB1 or CB2. He's not coming off the field. You're getting more value just by playing time. 

We'll figure out this year what he's going to be, especially if we see more 3 linemen 2 OLB looks. I think he'll be great in that NT role. If he still doesn't give more than the flashes every once in awhile then I'll be out on him. This will be year 3, we'll either see it or not this year.

18 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sure, but the vast majority of folks in here wanted nothing to do with Karlaftis.  There's picking the right guy, then the more important part of drafting which is developing the player to be the right guy.  I'd say the Chiefs are doing a far better job of developing players.

The funny part is that we're doing a better job developing players right now than any other time in the 2000's and we're still getting outdone by groups like that. That being said, Sean Desai, give it a bit.

My guess is the Reddick situation is basically a replay of the Slay drama from last year. Reddick wants ~25mm per year, which the team isn't going to pay. So they are letting his agent shop around to see what market value is, and then they'll get him to take a small discount to stay home. Something like a 3 year/60mm deal that is really only 2/40.

Just now, AmericanEagle77 said:

The funny part is that we're doing a better job developing players right now than any other time in the 2000's and we're still getting outdone by groups like that. That being said, Sean Desai, give it a bit.

The defensive coaching was such a mess last year, basically everyone but Bradberry gets a mulligan. I'm really interested to see Nolan Smith with better coaching.

2 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

The funny part is that we're doing a better job developing players right now than any other time in the 2000's and we're still getting outdone by groups like that. That being said, Sean Desai, give it a bit.

Who have they developed?