this made me laugh

 

 

18 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Keep in mind Howie’s first task when he became GM was dumping Mcnabb

 

And keeping an oft-injured Vick was a smart decision?  That guy was made of glass.

I think he's right in that Howie should be held accountable for the bad personnel decisions, but I don't know if I'd put him on the hot seat just yet. I would only push for that if he fails to address the LB and DB position this offseason. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I kind of think graham, Cox and likely kelce retiring won’t be back. It’s one of those we want to get younger and let young guys take the reins of leadership. It’s gonna be sink or swim with them. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The amount of decline for CBs happens very fast.   How bad was he really, compared to the safeties that were sucking right along side him?   He didn't get any help in his sucking, so you compound how bad he looks by putting complete garbage around him.  

But, I can tell you this... it was obvious that he wasn't going to be worth the contract they gave him.   And that's where Howie really gets himself stuck... overpaying for past production on aging players.   He's done this for quite some time.   And he feels he needs to because he can't draft defense... so we overpay aging defensive players and Howie just hopes it won't catch up to him... yet it always does.

I would have preferred CJGJ, but I think Howie pivoted when CJ didn't sign quickly. I was OK with the contract for Bradberry since it wasn't huge or very long, but it's obviously been a disaster.

3 minutes ago, paco said:

Respectfully, you don't need a time machine to know signing two CBs that are 30+ years old to big contracts is a bad idea.  

Sheil was saying it all offseason. There is only one corner older than Slay that played meaningful snaps in 2022 (Peterson), and only like 3 others older than Bradberry. 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Idk. A collapse like that should bring lots of change including leadership amongst the players. 

The leadership issue in the locker room will not be an easy task. Only guy I see if all the other old vets are goners is Lane. Who steps into that role from the younger guys? Idk, Hurts is supposed to be the leader, but I’m not sold on his leadership qualities.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

this made me laugh

 

Acho changes his tune every 5 minutes.  He’ll be right back on the Hurts train next season if Hurts makes a comeback. 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Agreed totally.  Kelce and Mann.  One of Cox and Graham, I guess.  

If they re-sign Boston Scott on the first day of free agency again, I'm going to have a good cry.

Boston Scott was signed to deliver against the Giants and he failed badly. He needs to go somewhere else.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I kind of think graham, Cox and likely kelce retiring won’t be back. It’s one of those we want to get younger and let young guys take the reins of leadership. It’s gonna be sink or swim with them. 

Graham would surprise me with how adamant he was that he wanted to be back, here, for one more year. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Major difference is that Bradberry had excellent speed when healthy.  His speed dropped off a cliff this season which points to injury (or not recovering from injury) 

His speed at his peak was good enough given his size, but I don't think I'd have ever called it excellent.  Sometimes turning 30 can be fatal for those "just fast enough" corners.

It's hard to believe he's as bad as he played this year, but it also wouldn't shock me if he was completely out of the league at this time next year.  For some guys, when it goes, it goes fast.

9 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

 

Is Davis claiming to be a team leader?  Dude needs to get himself in shape first.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I would have preferred CJGJ, but I think Howie pivoted when CJ didn't sign quickly. I was OK with the contract for Bradberry since it wasn't huge or very long, but it's obviously been a disaster.

Yep.  Pretty sure they wanted to sign CJGJ but he took it to Twitter (Eagles don’t play that) and he was gone.  Rumor is that he was offered just as much (possibly more) to stay, laughed about it on Twitter and the Eagles ended up using the money elsewhere. 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sheil was saying it all offseason. There is only one corner older than Slay that played meaningful snaps in 2022 (Peterson), and only like 3 others older than Bradberry. 

My reaction when they sign Bradberry was well they’re going to get rid of slay and they don’t want completely young corners out there. Then they extended slay. And you had 2 30+ year old corners. Which like you talked about sheil went over the numbers. So with one 30+ corner it was unlikely he’d stay healthy for all 17 weeks and the decline is rapid for corners in their 30s so you are fighting Father Time. They got burned on injury with slay and rapid decline on bradberry. It’s why you don’t rely on 2 30+ year old corners making a lot of money and hurting you know in 2023 and 2024 dead cap, cap and performance 

3 minutes ago, jmac+djaxallday said:

His speed at his peak was good enough given his size, but I don't think I'd have ever called it excellent.  Sometimes turning 30 can be fatal for those "just fast enough" corners.

It's hard to believe he's as bad as he played this year, but it also wouldn't shock me if he was completely out of the league at this time next year.  For some guys, when it goes, it goes fast.

Yep for sure.  DB’s tend to drop off a cliff, unfortunately. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Graham would surprise me with how adamant he was that he wanted to be back, here, for one more year. 

I think it might be more on the eagles side. If they are willing to Let Cox go who frankly played better than Davis and anyone on that line not named Carter then I can see the eagles saying it’s a new era we need to move forward without them and see if guys step into those leadership roles and not fall back on them. Maybe if he comes really cheap and the eagles feel like they owe it to him for one last ride. I could see them just moving off those 3 at the same time  

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sheil was saying it all offseason. There is only one corner older than Slay that played meaningful snaps in 2022 (Peterson), and only like 3 others older than Bradberry. 

Forget him, I said that in the offseason  

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I would have preferred CJGJ, but I think Howie pivoted when CJ didn't sign quickly. I was OK with the contract for Bradberry since it wasn't huge or very long, but it's obviously been a disaster.

I'm willing to bet Howie was furious with CJGJ for making and releasing a behind the scenes vlog about the Super Bowl which played a part in negotiations. 

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I would have preferred CJGJ, but I think Howie pivoted when CJ didn't sign quickly. I was OK with the contract for Bradberry since it wasn't huge or very long, but it's obviously been a disaster.

 

That's too much for him at his age.  Low cap hits for 2023 and 2024... with a big hit in 2025... which basically triples the cost per year for the 2 he'd be here.   Might even need to be elsewhere after this year... and increase the per year cost even higher.

It was a bad contract, and maybe that money is better used on bringing back Epps.  Epps got 2 years, $12M.   CJGJ only ended up costing $6.5M.   Put them together and the two of them combined costs less than Bradberry.  

 

Howie dug this hole and it seemed obvious... bring back expensive aging players, its hard to get the ROI you are looking for.

The longer we go without a Sirianni presser, the less likely he is to return, imo. 

Now that we know DE is going to be a big need for us in the near future, bringing BG back for one more year isn't that bad an idea.  

Fletch though is most likely gone.  Davis and Carter were drafted for this very reason. 

9 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

this made me laugh

 

 

Manning and Aikman also roasted the coaches on a national TV playoff game FWIW.  

Just now, Ace Nova said:

The longer we go without a Sirianni presser, the less likely he is to return, imo. 

Can we do a reverse Fitz where we see him potentially leaving the airport instead of arriving?

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

 

That's too much for him at his age.  Low cap hits for 2023 and 2024... with a big hit in 2025... which basically triples the cost per year for the 2 he'd be here.   Might even need to be elsewhere after this year... and increase the per year cost even higher.

It was a bad contract, and maybe that money is better used on bringing back Epps.  Epps got 2 years, $12M.   CJGJ only ended up costing $6.5M.   Put them together and the two of them combined costs less than Bradberry.  

 

Howie dug this hole and it seemed obvious... bring back expensive aging players, its hard to get the ROI you are looking for.

They offered CJGJ more than he eventually signed for to stay. That was 100% on CJGJ and his agent. 

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Why don't they just ask Jordan Davis about Sirianni since he's spilling beans so easily .....