Really hope the Derrick Henry rumors aren't true. He'd be DeMarco Murray 2.0. Dead legs, a lot of mileage, and already 30. Much better off re-signing Swift. 

22 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Your assessment of Stroud can also be said word-for-word as to Hurts.  He essentially got paid for his one breakout season.  I believe Hurts in 2021 was in the 18-20 range for QBs, became top 3 in 2022, then slid to about 10-12 last season.

Howie did a great job spreading Hurts’ cap hit out along his contract where it’s a $13.6M hit for 2024, then $22M, $32M, and $46M the following years.  That leaves the Eagles room to maintain a really good roster around him.  Still, Hurts needs to get back to being a clear top 5-6 QB to keep his job secure in the long term.

And then a 2029 dead cap hit of $97,553,000......

 

Also 2024 is his rookie contract.  I'm looking (so far unsuccessfully) to find the rookie contract breakdown so I'm trying to see what money, if any, was tacked on to this year.  Knowing Howie, the answer is likely none.

11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Because its a track record of results that matter

stout pretty much defines results. Moorehead pretty much the opposite

Stoutland has had the opportunity to coach 3 HOF players in his tenure.  He deserves some credit but not all of it.  It's hard to evaluate Moorehead.  There's something to be said for him staying because if AJ or Devonta didn't like him, he would be gone. 

10 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Meanwhile Smith is the lead blocker for all those awesome screens we ran. Julio, Quez and OZ were all phenomenal blocking. And, uh, Covey? Yea, sure, whatever. Awesome, willing and able. Thank you Moorehead.

Rather surprised that they did not feed the ball to Julio more.  He might have lost a step as a WR, but still is a viable WR.  He probably won't be back next season.  

18 minutes ago, paco said:

And then a 2029 dead cap hit of $97,553,000......

 

Also 2024 is his rookie contract.  I'm looking (so far unsuccessfully) to find the rookie contract breakdown so I'm trying to see what money, if any, was tacked on to this year.  Knowing Howie, the answer is likely none.

How is 2024 his rookie contract?

13 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He’s going on year 5 of being the same position coach with no hint of a promotion or outside interviews. Why is that? 

Harbaugh was the ST coach for 9 seasons without outside "NFL interest" until Reid moved him to DB coach. Sometimes a coach simply does his job well enough that the team wants to keep him there and other teams only view him as the same thing. 

I have no idea how Moorehead is perceived around the NFL. It is entirely possible that the WRs themselves speak highly of him to others in the Eagles' organization. I know our offensive linemen have done that with Stoutland for years. 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

How is 2024 his rookie contract?

I'm thinking he meant 2023.

47 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Because its a track record of results that matter

stout pretty much defines results. Moorehead pretty much the opposite

Again, what results are you wanting? Our WRs that have had 1000+ back to back seasons? Or needing validation for some miracle to happen where JJAW, Reagor, and Quez Watkins are NFL caliber players? Travis Fulgham exceeded his expectations with the limited amount of snaps he had right? Greg Ward looked decent when he was given a chance. Even Quez as the #2 was okay. 
 

Now we have blue chip WRs and anything they do has nothing to do with the WR coach unless it’s negative? 

4 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Again, what results are you wanting? Our WRs that have had 1000+ back to back seasons? Or needing validation for some miracle to happen where JJAW, Reagor, and Quez Watkins are NFL caliber players? Travis Fulgham exceeded his expectations with the limited amount of snaps he had right? Greg Ward looked decent when he was given a chance. 
 

Now we have blue chip WRs and anything they do has nothing to do with the WR coach unless it’s negative? 

I want improvement. Hell even mediocrity and consistency would be progress. Smitty and AJ were elite before they got here. 
 

stout developed kelce and mailata alone. Lane, brooks, dickerson…list goes on.

stout could have ten job offers this afternoon if he wanted them

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

Harbaugh was the ST coach for 9 seasons without outside "NFL interest" until Reid moved him to DB coach. Sometimes a coach simply does his job well enough that the team wants to keep him there and other teams only view him as the same thing. 

I have no idea how Moorehead is perceived around the NFL. It is entirely possible that the WRs themselves speak highly of him to others in the Eagles' organization. I know our offensive linemen have done that with Stoutland for years. 

That's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. Harbaugh was a coordinator and at the time promoting a ST's coach to HC in the NFL was unheard of, so he had limited growth. But he had multiple offers from college teams. He asked to move to DB's to advance his career in the NFL and after one year, he had a HC job. 

Stoutland has had offers to go back to college. He's also had multiple OC opportunities he turned down. He's old and likes doing what he does and Eagles take care of him. I believe he's one of the highest paid assistant coaches in the NFL. 

I have no idea what Moorehead does, and that's his best defense. No one knows what he actually does good. Maybe he's perceived as a good NFL WR coach around the league but teams certainly haven't been interested in him being anything else. 

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I want improvement. Hell even mediocrity and consistency would be progress. Smitty and AJ were elite before they got here. 
 

stout developed kelce and mailata alone. Lane, brooks, dickerson…list goes on.

stout could have ten job offers this afternoon if he wanted them

Lane, Brooks, Dickerson were just as "elite" as Smith at the time of their arrivals here. Supposedly Dillard was too, but we all saw how that worked out. 

Some players, regardless of coaching, just will not make it. 

Trying to find reasons to keep Moorehead

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I believe this was something Shanahan said…

A lot of times position coaches aren’t necessarily developing guys, that’s up to the players in the offseason when the work out with trainers (speed coaches, footwork coaches, etc) and other players (less OTAs is an issue). Of course they do some developing, but particularly in-season there are points of emphasis, but their jobs are more or less helping to put a game plan together, scouting opponents and funneling that info to the players. 

In SF, there are countless examples of Kris Kocurek developing guys. The 49ers CBs really improved this year. Why? They brought in Wilks who specializes in DBs.

Here, there are countless examples of OL play improvement under Stout. Our TE coach (Jason Michael) has done well with TEs everywhere he's gone.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

That's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. Harbaugh was a coordinator and at the time promoting a ST's coach to HC in the NFL was unheard of, so he had limited growth. But he had multiple offers from college teams. He asked to move to DB's to advance his career in the NFL and after one year, he had a HC job. 

Stoutland has had offers to go back to college. He's also had multiple OC opportunities he turned down. He's old and likes doing what he does and Eagles take care of him. I believe he's one of the highest paid assistant coaches in the NFL. 

I have no idea what Moorehead does, and that's his best defense. No one knows what he actually does good. Maybe he's perceived as a good NFL WR coach around the league but teams certainly haven't been interested in him being anything else. 

The Eagles kept him. They didn't have to keep him. This is the 2nd time they've kept him during a coaching overhaul. I'm guessing that they "know" what he does well. 

42 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

How is 2024 his rookie contract?

Wait.... you're right.  WTF.  Why did I had it in my head this year was the last year of his rookie deal?

17 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Again, what results are you wanting? Our WRs that have had 1000+ back to back seasons? Or needing validation for some miracle to happen where JJAW, Reagor, and Quez Watkins are NFL caliber players? Travis Fulgham exceeded his expectations with the limited amount of snaps he had right? Greg Ward looked decent when he was given a chance. Even Quez as the #2 was okay. 
 

Now we have blue chip WRs and anything they do has nothing to do with the WR coach unless it’s negative? 

Precisely.   Good receivers don't learn anything new or how to improve from coaches teaching them or pushing them to study more or improve a technique or how to manipulate a DB.

44 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I'm thinking he meant 2023.

No, I was thinking this year was the last for some stupid reason.

3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

The Eagles kept him. They didn't have to keep him. This is the 2nd time they've kept him during a coaching overhaul. I'm guessing that they "know" what he does well. 

Sure. No argument there. They can do what they want. Doesn't mean as a fan we have to think that means he's a great coach or have the opinion to prefer to see someone else who could potentially be better. 

12 minutes ago, paco said:

Wait.... you're right.  WTF.  Why did I had it in my head this year was the last year of his rookie deal?

Probably thinking he had a 5th year option I'd guess. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Probably thinking he had a 5th year option I'd guess. 

No, I think my math just sucked.

33 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Lane, Brooks, Dickerson were just as "elite" as Smith at the time of their arrivals here. Supposedly Dillard was too, but we all saw how that worked out. 

Some players, regardless of coaching, just will not make it. 

Seumalo too

can anyone give me one example of a wr that developed here? Just one

30 minutes ago, RLC said:

In SF, there are countless examples of Kris Kocurek developing guys. The 49ers CBs really improved this year. Why? They brought in Wilks who specializes in DBs.

Here, there are countless examples of OL play improvement under Stout. Our TE coach (Jason Michael) has done well with TEs everywhere he's gone.

Of course there will be examples of position coaches who develop and coordinators/position coaches who run a scheme that help make their players look better. The point is that the job of position coaches goes far beyond player development, and in many cases, is a distant second to game planning. 

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Seumalo too

can anyone give me one example of a wr that developed here? Just one

Moorehead should be fired for vouching for Reagor if we’re being honest. 

1 hour ago, GoEagles614 said:

I like how position coaches not getting new jobs is now the ultimate indictment. Jeff Stoutland must be super ass for having the same job for 30 years. In 9 years he hasn’t become an offensive coordinator and another team hasn’t hired him. OMG he’s awful! 
 

The entire offense fell off a cliff. As well as the defense. The playcalling on both sides was horrendous. I’m not sure I’d complain about the WR coach, especially while we have the same Head Coach that couldn’t win more than 1 game after starting 10-1. But yeah, let’s attack the 50th guy in command haha. 
 

This is the only fan base that complains about everything. Sorry our GM has finally given us talented WRs to work with. Maybe we should go back to drafting and signing bums so we can prove how good our WR coaches are or aren’t. Pffft. Y’all want Arcega Whiteside and Reagor to become stars just because the WR coach? They went elsewhere and suck there too lmao. They’re bums, we’ve poorly drafted at the position. Now we hit one and traded for an elite one, and it’s a problem. 

IIRC a team either did or tried to interview Stoutland and Eagles ending up either giving him a new contract or upgrading his role with a new contract

13 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I usually stop reading when the second sentence is a personal attack because that’s your strongest response. 

That's why I make persoal atttacks my first sentence, stupid.