3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Lane, Brooks, Dickerson were just as "elite" as Smith at the time of their arrivals here. Supposedly Dillard was too, but we all saw how that worked out. 

Some players, regardless of coaching, just will not make it. 

. Not true. 

Lane was a freak athlete, but he was very very far from a finished product at OT.  Remember, he didn't start playing OT until his 3rd year at college.  He entered junior college as a quarterback and tight end (2008).  Then, transferred to Oklahoma, as a quarterback and tight end on their practice squad (aka, red shirt in 2009).  He moved to just TE in 2010.  Then he transitioned to defensive end the next spring (2011), and moved to OL as a result of a lot of injuries that year for Oklahoma.  And then he finished his collegiate career in 2012 at OT.  The idea that he was a finished product is laughable.  He was extremely RAW, but also extremely athletic.  

Brooks was an average OG in Houston.  If he was viewed as the stud he became under Stout, he'd never have hit the free agent market for the Eagles to sign them.  Yes, he was an NFL quality OG, he was not the guy he transitioned to here, which was the best OG in the game.

Dillard was a guy that the team never vetted... that's on the scouting report for not doing their due diligence, and then drafting him anyway.  Meanwhile, you conveniently ignore Mailata (ultimate lottery ticket 7th rounder who had never played football), Big V (5th round pick who'd never run blocked or even lined up in a 3 point stance in college), and Seumalo (3rd round pick).

 

 

 

Just now, BigEFly said:

Well, two years in a row, he produced two 1,000 yard receivers despite the woes at the end of last season.  Give him Brenden Rice in the slot and a development prospect and let Covey play a bit more WR and let’s see.   He got more out of Watkins than I ever expected.  I do think Hurts needs height in the slot.

I'm not sure we should attribute Smith and Browns success to Moorehead. They'd likely have 1k yards without him

4 hours ago, GoEagles614 said:

I like how position coaches not getting new jobs is now the ultimate indictment. Jeff Stoutland must be super ass for having the same job for 30 years. In 9 years he hasn’t become an offensive coordinator and another team hasn’t hired him. OMG he’s awful! 
 

The entire offense fell off a cliff. As well as the defense. The playcalling on both sides was horrendous. I’m not sure I’d complain about the WR coach, especially while we have the same Head Coach that couldn’t win more than 1 game after starting 10-1. But yeah, let’s attack the 50th guy in command haha. 
 

This is the only fan base that complains about everything. Sorry our GM has finally given us talented WRs to work with. Maybe we should go back to drafting and signing bums so we can prove how good our WR coaches are or aren’t. Pffft. Y’all want Arcega Whiteside and Reagor to become stars just because the WR coach? They went elsewhere and suck there too lmao. They’re bums, we’ve poorly drafted at the position. Now we hit one and traded for an elite one, and it’s a problem. 

Lol you either forgot or ignored that Stout not only HAS gotten OC offers, but he's developed dudes like seumalo, vaitai, mailata, driscoll etc into starters or capable backups. His only failure was dillard, seems like damn near every OL that comes to this team at least becomes a serviceable backup. Pretty much the exact opposite of the WR position.

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

The Eagles kept him. They didn't have to keep him. This is the 2nd time they've kept him during a coaching overhaul. I'm guessing that they "know" what he does well. 

Yup.  The team couldn't possibly make a mistake.  Every decision they make is the correct one.  

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

IIRC a team either did or tried to interview Stoutland and Eagles ending up either giving him a new contract or upgrading his role with a new contract

Multiple times, including Alabama coming to call as well.

2 hours ago, paco said:

Mic'd-up video shows George Kittle missing a Super Bowl loose ball because he was saying hi to the Chiefs' George Karlaftis

 

 

He's such a moron.

 Not sure I agree with Simms 

 

Chris Simms on #Eagles QB Jalen Hurts:

"I respect a lot about Jalen Hurts, but I think Jalen Hurts is also like the most overrated player in football. That’s me, I know I’m wrong, I take a lot of crap about that comment. But he plays quarterback for a team that’s an all-star team, they have the best O-line in football, it’s not even close. I just think if you put some other quarterback in Philly, you put Kyler Murray in there, you’d say ‘Damn, Kyler’s amazing. Is he the MVP of football?’

1 hour ago, paco said:

I don't see how.  I was there for 5 years.

As you should be... all good Dragons stay for 5.  

I’ll ding Moorehead for the lack of hot routes, as he was either complicit with the decision or lacked the juice to get a fix done. We didn’t fire Nick, so I guess he shouldn’t be scapegoated as this is a scheme issue.

 

53 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Name an Eagles WR coach since the AR start that have been better.  I’ll wait.

Is this a good defense?  This team's Achilles' heel offensively since the retirement of Mike Quick has been the WR position.  We've had flashes with Jackson, a brief foray with Maclin, the TO debacle, and now AJ and Smith.

 

But, the answer to your question is an easy one.  Mike Groh.  Sadly, he didn't stay at WR coach and got promoted quickly to OC due to the changes that happened after the Super Bowl.   And weirdly, Mike Groh's time here as WR matches perfectly with the only Super Bowl.   One year at WR coach... and that just happened to be the ONE year that Nelson Agholor wasn't actually a gigantic disappointment.

What the hell was going on in the NBA All-Star Game?

102-89 in the first half?

 

28 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sneads tag would be around $18M. Jones is far and away the better player but they can’t keep him on a one year cap number around $32M. Based on his comments at the parade it sounds like Jones will get a mega extension before FA starts too. 

If Jones gets a mega-extension, I would think they may just let Snead walk.  It's a good class for CBs.  

35 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

 Not sure I agree with Simms 

 

Chris Simms on #Eagles QB Jalen Hurts:

"I respect a lot about Jalen Hurts, but I think Jalen Hurts is also like the most overrated player in football. That’s me, I know I’m wrong, I take a lot of crap about that comment. But he plays quarterback for a team that’s an all-star team, they have the best O-line in football, it’s not even close. I just think if you put some other quarterback in Philly, you put Kyler Murray in there, you’d say ‘Damn, Kyler’s amazing. Is he the MVP of football?’

Hasn't that already been proven false? Not with Kyler specifically though

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Is this a good defense?  This team's Achilles' heel offensively since the retirement of Mike Quick has been the WR position.  We've had flashes with Jackson, a brief foray with Maclin, the TO debacle, and now AJ and Smith.

 

But, the answer to your question is an easy one.  Mike Groh.  Sadly, he didn't stay at WR coach and got promoted quickly to OC due to the changes that happened after the Super Bowl.   And weirdly, Mike Groh's time here as WR matches perfectly with the only Super Bowl.   One year at WR coach... and that just happened to be the ONE year that Nelson Agholor wasn't actually a gigantic disappointment.

Achilles heel since Mike Quick might be hyperbole.  The last period of sustained success was under Reid. I do think you have to give Moorehead some credit for Devonta and AJ. He even got one ggod season out of Watkins. I am not sure what Groh did that was any better.  Groh never had a WR as successful as Moorehead has had. 

If we're being honest with ourselves, the problem isn't just Moorehead. The Eagles as a whole are terrible at developing players. It just doesn't happen. Outside of Jordan Mailata and Josh Sweat, I can't think of a player on the team who has taken significant steps to become a better player as an Eagle. 

Let's look at their drafts since 2017. One thing that stands out is out of their last 7 drafts, only 6 players that I can pick out have signed a 2nd contract (Barnett, Goedert, Maddox, Sweat, Mailata, Hurts). Barnett is already gone and Maddox is on his way out so you're going to have 4 players out of 5 eligible drafts making it to a 2nd contract. Smith and Dickerson should get extensions soon so you're going to be back up to 6 players.

2017: Derek Barnett, Sidney Jones, Rasul Douglas, Mack Hollins, Donnell Pumphrey, Shelton Gibson, Nathan Gerry, Elijah Qualls

2018: Dallas Goedert, Avonte Maddox, Josh Sweat, Matt Pryor, Jordan Mailata

2019: Andre Dillard, Miles Sanders, JJAW, Shareef Miller, Clayton Thorson

2020: Jalen Reagor, Jalen Hurts, Davion Taylor, K'Von Wallace, Jack Driscoll, John Hightower, Shaun Bradley, Quez Watkins, Prince Tega Wanogho, Casey Toohill

2021: DeVonta Smith, Landon Dickerson, Milton Williams, Zech McPhearson, Kenny Gainwell, Marlon Tuipulotu, Tarron Jackson, JaCoby Stevens, Patrick Johnson

2022: Jordan Davis, Cam Jurgens, Nakobe Dean, Kyron Johnson, Grant Calcaterra

2023: Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Tyler Steen, Sydney Brown, Kelee Ringo, Tanner McKee, Moro Ojomo

 

-They've drafted 7 DB over the last 7 drafts and none of them have developed. No wonder they rely on high priced FA. Two of them were rookies last year.

-6 WR were drafted over 4 years before the landed DeVonta Smith and none of them did a damn thing.

-They've drafted 3 RB over 7years and the only one worth a damn they let walk. Can argue Miles Sanders got overpaid and was crap in Carolina but he was solid here. Very Solid.

-8 OL have been drafted. Mailata is a story for the ages and Dickerson was a gem. Jurgens is playing out of position and might be doing so again which would cause Steen to stay on the bench. The rest....nothing.

- They've drafted 11 DL. For the DL investment, they've underperformed, including the last half of Carters rookie year.

-8 LB have been drafted What have any of them done?

- 2 TE in Goedert and Calcaterra when there have been elite TE classes over the last few years. No wonder the TE depth is pure garbage

- QB Factory has added 3. Hurts is facing his biggest year yet. They might have the answer that we all saw in 2022 or they might have a question mark moving forward. 

They need to draft and develop much better. 

 

 

 

 

On 2/18/2024 at 9:34 AM, Freshmilk said:

Amazing.  Wish I thought of it.  But my viewers would really have to like snoring, sleep farting, and regular trips to piss.

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

If we're being honest with ourselves, the problem isn't just Moorehead. The Eagles as a whole are terrible at developing players. It just doesn't happen. Outside of Jordan Mailata and Josh Sweat, I can't think of a player on the team who has taken significant steps to become a better player as an Eagle. 

Let's look at their drafts since 2017. One thing that stands out is out of their last 7 drafts, only 6 players that I can pick out have signed a 2nd contract (Barnett, Goedert, Maddox, Sweat, Mailata, Hurts). Barnett is already gone and Maddox is on his way out so you're going to have 4 players out of 5 eligible drafts making it to a 2nd contract. Smith and Dickerson should get extensions soon so you're going to be back up to 6 players.

2017: Derek Barnett, Sidney Jones, Rasul Douglas, Mack Hollins, Donnell Pumphrey, Shelton Gibson, Nathan Gerry, Elijah Qualls

2018: Dallas Goedert, Avonte Maddox, Josh Sweat, Matt Pryor, Jordan Mailata

2019: Andre Dillard, Miles Sanders, JJAW, Shareef Miller, Clayton Thorson

2020: Jalen Reagor, Jalen Hurts, Davion Taylor, K'Von Wallace, Jack Driscoll, John Hightower, Shaun Bradley, Quez Watkins, Prince Tega Wanogho, Casey Toohill

2021: DeVonta Smith, Landon Dickerson, Milton Williams, Zech McPhearson, Kenny Gainwell, Marlon Tuipulotu, Tarron Jackson, JaCoby Stevens, Patrick Johnson

2022: Jordan Davis, Cam Jurgens, Nakobe Dean, Kyron Johnson, Grant Calcaterra

2023: Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Tyler Steen, Sydney Brown, Kelee Ringo, Tanner McKee, Moro Ojomo

 

-They've drafted 7 DB over the last 7 drafts and none of them have developed. No wonder they rely on high priced FA. Two of them were rookies last year.

-6 WR were drafted over 4 years before the landed DeVonta Smith and none of them did a damn thing.

-They've drafted 3 RB over 7years and the only one worth a damn they let walk. Can argue Miles Sanders got overpaid and was crap in Carolina but he was solid here. Very Solid.

-8 OL have been drafted. Mailata is a story for the ages and Dickerson was a gem. Jurgens is playing out of position and might be doing so again which would cause Steen to stay on the bench. The rest....nothing.

- They've drafted 11 DL. For the DL investment, they've underperformed, including the last half of Carters rookie year.

-8 LB have been drafted What have any of them done?

- 2 TE in Goedert and Calcaterra when there have been elite TE classes over the last few years. No wonder the TE depth is pure garbage

- QB Factory has added 3. Hurts is facing his biggest year yet. They might have the answer that we all saw in 2022 or they might have a question mark moving forward. 

They need to draft and develop much better. 

 

 

 

 

This is terrible, this needs to stop this year.

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

If we're being honest with ourselves, the problem isn't just Moorehead. The Eagles as a whole are terrible at developing players. It just doesn't happen. Outside of Jordan Mailata and Josh Sweat, I can't think of a player on the team who has taken significant steps to become a better player as an Eagle. 

Let's look at their drafts since 2017. One thing that stands out is out of their last 7 drafts, only 6 players that I can pick out have signed a 2nd contract (Barnett, Goedert, Maddox, Sweat, Mailata, Hurts). Barnett is already gone and Maddox is on his way out so you're going to have 4 players out of 5 eligible drafts making it to a 2nd contract. Smith and Dickerson should get extensions soon so you're going to be back up to 6 players.

2017: Derek Barnett, Sidney Jones, Rasul Douglas, Mack Hollins, Donnell Pumphrey, Shelton Gibson, Nathan Gerry, Elijah Qualls

2018: Dallas Goedert, Avonte Maddox, Josh Sweat, Matt Pryor, Jordan Mailata

2019: Andre Dillard, Miles Sanders, JJAW, Shareef Miller, Clayton Thorson

2020: Jalen Reagor, Jalen Hurts, Davion Taylor, K'Von Wallace, Jack Driscoll, John Hightower, Shaun Bradley, Quez Watkins, Prince Tega Wanogho, Casey Toohill

2021: DeVonta Smith, Landon Dickerson, Milton Williams, Zech McPhearson, Kenny Gainwell, Marlon Tuipulotu, Tarron Jackson, JaCoby Stevens, Patrick Johnson

2022: Jordan Davis, Cam Jurgens, Nakobe Dean, Kyron Johnson, Grant Calcaterra

2023: Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Tyler Steen, Sydney Brown, Kelee Ringo, Tanner McKee, Moro Ojomo

 

-They've drafted 7 DB over the last 7 drafts and none of them have developed. No wonder they rely on high priced FA. Two of them were rookies last year.

-6 WR were drafted over 4 years before the landed DeVonta Smith and none of them did a damn thing.

-They've drafted 3 RB over 7years and the only one worth a damn they let walk. Can argue Miles Sanders got overpaid and was crap in Carolina but he was solid here. Very Solid.

-8 OL have been drafted. Mailata is a story for the ages and Dickerson was a gem. Jurgens is playing out of position and might be doing so again which would cause Steen to stay on the bench. The rest....nothing.

- They've drafted 11 DL. For the DL investment, they've underperformed, including the last half of Carters rookie year.

-8 LB have been drafted What have any of them done?

- 2 TE in Goedert and Calcaterra when there have been elite TE classes over the last few years. No wonder the TE depth is pure garbage

- QB Factory has added 3. Hurts is facing his biggest year yet. They might have the answer that we all saw in 2022 or they might have a question mark moving forward. 

They need to draft and develop much better.

"Drafting" someone is a meaningless statement. Where they draft is what matters, few 5th rd or later picks ever start in the NFL. Top 100 picks are key to any draft.

Some was drafting, Barnett, Jones, Dillard, Reagor.

Some was coaching shifts, Douglas has done fine since he left, Toohill was a numbers issue.

They hit big on Sweat, injury gamble (just like S Jones) but also coached up. They hit big on Hurts.

They haven't done as well on the third day as you'd hope, not so much starters, but the reliable depth you need to find there. But Ringo and Ojomo looked good last season.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/salary-cap-is-poised-to-be-as-much-as-243-million-per-team-and-maybe-higher

One of his sources says maybe closer $250 million

45 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

If we're being honest with ourselves, the problem isn't just Moorehead. The Eagles as a whole are terrible at developing players. It just doesn't happen. Outside of Jordan Mailata and Josh Sweat, I can't think of a player on the team who has taken significant steps to become a better player as an Eagle. 

Let's look at their drafts since 2017. One thing that stands out is out of their last 7 drafts, only 6 players that I can pick out have signed a 2nd contract (Barnett, Goedert, Maddox, Sweat, Mailata, Hurts). Barnett is already gone and Maddox is on his way out so you're going to have 4 players out of 5 eligible drafts making it to a 2nd contract. Smith and Dickerson should get extensions soon so you're going to be back up to 6 players.

2017: Derek Barnett, Sidney Jones, Rasul Douglas, Mack Hollins, Donnell Pumphrey, Shelton Gibson, Nathan Gerry, Elijah Qualls

2018: Dallas Goedert, Avonte Maddox, Josh Sweat, Matt Pryor, Jordan Mailata

2019: Andre Dillard, Miles Sanders, JJAW, Shareef Miller, Clayton Thorson

2020: Jalen Reagor, Jalen Hurts, Davion Taylor, K'Von Wallace, Jack Driscoll, John Hightower, Shaun Bradley, Quez Watkins, Prince Tega Wanogho, Casey Toohill

2021: DeVonta Smith, Landon Dickerson, Milton Williams, Zech McPhearson, Kenny Gainwell, Marlon Tuipulotu, Tarron Jackson, JaCoby Stevens, Patrick Johnson

2022: Jordan Davis, Cam Jurgens, Nakobe Dean, Kyron Johnson, Grant Calcaterra

2023: Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Tyler Steen, Sydney Brown, Kelee Ringo, Tanner McKee, Moro Ojomo

 

-They've drafted 7 DB over the last 7 drafts and none of them have developed. No wonder they rely on high priced FA. Two of them were rookies last year.

-6 WR were drafted over 4 years before the landed DeVonta Smith and none of them did a damn thing.

-They've drafted 3 RB over 7years and the only one worth a damn they let walk. Can argue Miles Sanders got overpaid and was crap in Carolina but he was solid here. Very Solid.

-8 OL have been drafted. Mailata is a story for the ages and Dickerson was a gem. Jurgens is playing out of position and might be doing so again which would cause Steen to stay on the bench. The rest....nothing.

- They've drafted 11 DL. For the DL investment, they've underperformed, including the last half of Carters rookie year.

-8 LB have been drafted What have any of them done?

- 2 TE in Goedert and Calcaterra when there have been elite TE classes over the last few years. No wonder the TE depth is pure garbage

- QB Factory has added 3. Hurts is facing his biggest year yet. They might have the answer that we all saw in 2022 or they might have a question mark moving forward. 

They need to draft and develop much better. 

 

 

 

 

Howie Roseman is mostly garbage unless a blue chipper falls into his lap. 

He's great with deals and the cap, but talent evaluation? Non existent.

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

 Not sure I agree with Simms 

 

Chris Simms on #Eagles QB Jalen Hurts:

"I respect a lot about Jalen Hurts, but I think Jalen Hurts is also like the most overrated player in football. That’s me, I know I’m wrong, I take a lot of crap about that comment. But he plays quarterback for a team that’s an all-star team, they have the best O-line in football, it’s not even close. I just think if you put some other quarterback in Philly, you put Kyler Murray in there, you’d say ‘Damn, Kyler’s amazing. Is he the MVP of football?’

Curious did Simms say the same about Purdy?

1 minute ago, judunno said:

Curious did Simms say the same about Purdy?

No, you can't be mean to white QBs. 

 

12 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Howie Roseman is mostly garbage unless a blue chipper falls into his lap. 

He's great with deals and the cap, but talent evaluation? Non existent.

What GM is out there actually doing player evaluations? Howie is committed to position value in the draft.  He also has a keen sense of who other teams value.  I tend to think the misses have been more on the scouting staff or coaches than him.  

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