6 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I have to ask ... can you even read? I swear if you so much as mention a name on this board when discussing a certain player, people act like you are equating the players. Even though my post was in no way a "comparison," it is not against the law to "compare" any two players if a person chooses. News flash: Cris Carter and DK Metcalf are not gods. They're just successful football players.

You mean the 2 seasons where Quez played the slot in Sirianni's offense that goes through Brown, Smith and Goedert? I saw every play of every game. 

And when they were hurt quez was useless. And the few things he was asked to do, he actually got worse at.

Ken Griffey Jr. he is not. Only a certain few guys can pull off a backwards hat. Merrifield falls in the can't section.

 

A lot of people who want to extend Reddick are also angry at the Slay/Bradberry extensions. A massive disconnect. 

https://x.com/kyle_borg/status/1759610678048960694?s=46&t=OQGYd3l0mw_r-fU78BxHRw
 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

A lot of people who want to extend Reddick are also angry at the Slay/Bradberry extensions. A massive disconnect. 

No try again

slay was ok. Bradberry was the fail. Shouldnt have paid Cox either

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

No try again

slay was ok. Bradberry was the fail. Shouldnt have paid Cox either

Cox might have been our best defender this season. That contract was a good one. 

4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

No try again

slay was ok. Bradberry was the fail. Shouldnt have paid Cox either

Slay was already under contract, and they didn't need to extend him.   And we'll find out this upcoming season if it was a mistake or not.   Not many 33 year old CBs live up to a big contract.   But, its currently structured now so that we have to keep him for TWO seasons, or take on a massive cap hit.   

 

Personally, I wouldn't 'extend' Reddick, but I'd make the salary guaranteed, and since he's going to count $14M on the 2025 cap anyway... toss him a little more, fully guaranteed and he can play here through 31.  

14 minutes ago, RLC said:

A lot of people who want to extend Reddick are also angry at the Slay/Bradberry extensions. A massive disconnect. 

Yeah a 32 year old corner going on 33 is not the same as a 29 year old pass rusher going on 30. And slay got tied into here until he was at least 34. And bradberry had a history in his career of up one year then down the following. Meanwhile Reddick has had 4 consecutive years of 11+ sacks. But yes clearly the same…

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Slay was already under contract, and they didn't need to extend him.   And we'll find out this upcoming season if it was a mistake or not.   Not many 33 year old CBs live up to a big contract.   But, its currently structured now so that we have to keep him for TWO seasons, or take on a massive cap hit.   

 

Personally, I wouldn't 'extend' Reddick, but I'd make the salary guaranteed, and since he's going to count $14M on the 2025 cap anyway... toss him a little more, fully guaranteed and he can play here through 31.  

If you were Reddick would you accept that deal?

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah a 32 year old corner going on 33 is not the same as a 29 year old pass rusher going on 30. And slay got tied into here until he was at least 34. And bradberry had a history in his career of up one year then down the following. Meanwhile Reddick has had 4 consecutive years of 11+ sacks. But yes clearly the same…

Slay and Bradberry were each coming off good seasons. Slay was coming off back to back Pro Bowl-level ish seasons. 

Might Reddick play well in 2024? Maybe. But it's not a non-zero risk before injuries and scheme change even factor into it. 

Where are these great EDGE contracts for players in their 30s?

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Slay was already under contract, and they didn't need to extend him.   And we'll find out this upcoming season if it was a mistake or not.   Not many 33 year old CBs live up to a big contract.   But, its currently structured now so that we have to keep him for TWO seasons, or take on a massive cap hit.   

 

Personally, I wouldn't 'extend' Reddick, but I'd make the salary guaranteed, and since he's going to count $14M on the 2025 cap anyway... toss him a little more, fully guaranteed and he can play here through 31.  

a lot of DEs are still effective in to their low 30s. Reddick seems to have at least 2 more good seasons because hes still at such a high level. Id adjust his salary this year and add 2 more.

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

If you were Reddick would you accept that deal?

That's a different question.    The question is... how much does the guaranteed money impact my decision.   He's on the books for $14.25M in salary, $1M in roster bonus, $500k in 'other'.   Those you can pretty much bank on at this point.  But, is he concerned about injury?   Would adding $12M in guaranteed salary for next year placate him?   I don't know.   I think a lot of that comes down to what he's currently hearing from other teams about their interest.   He's a bit of a niche player, so his market is only going to be so big.  

 

That's what I'd offer him, and if he rejects it.  So be it.   I then let him walk after this season and take my chances.    Of course, Howie can't draft defensive players if his job depended on it.  Fortunately, that doesn't seem to be a requirement in his current position.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

a lot of DEs are still effective in to their low 30s. Reddick seems to have at least 2 more good seasons because hes still at such a high level. Id adjust his salary this year and add 2 more.

We are only in disagreement about 1 season.  I said one more, you said 2.  I could live with 2.   I wouldn't go near 3.   And, I'd eliminate those self-inflicted poison pills that Howie is so keen on that forces the team to hold on to players at the end of their careers because the cap hit to drop them would be crippling.

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

Slay and Bradberry were each coming off good seasons. Slay was coming off back to back Pro Bowl-level ish seasons. 

Might Reddick play well in 2024? Maybe. But it's not a non-zero risk before injuries and scheme change even factor into it. 

Where are these great EDGE contracts for players in their 30s?

Slay’s performance dropped off in the second half of 2022. It was widely talked about on this blog. He wasn’t nearly as good in the second half and why a lot of people were ok moving on and not getting tied down to a. 33-34 year old corner for multiple years. Also Reddick if you gave him an extension with an out after 3 years would still be the age slay was when he entered into his new contract. I think that’s likely your extension. There’s a good chance the first two years of that deal he’s still the same player. 

Also bradberry’s career had shown extremely high followed by extreme low. If they actually followed his career it showed this that they shouldn’t have extended him. Eagles overlooked his career arc. Been the pattern for pretty much his career  

so we should’ve just let Brandon Graham walk in his 30s when he came off an Achilles and then had double digit sacks? I must have missed where Reddick is going to automatically just fall off a cliff cause he hits 30 years old. Mack just had 17 sacks at 32. Von miller had 9.5 sacks at 32. Jj watt had 12.5 sacks at 33. Ware had 11.5 sacks at 30 and 10 at 32. You act like it’s a given he just automatically falls off a cliff cause he’s 30. Probably has 2 maybe 3 good years left. Slay when we have him that deal might have had 1 if we were fortunate and he stayed healthy which Sheil told you corners after 32 usually didn’t. 

6 hours ago, devpool said:

You might not have compared him to Carter but you said straight line speed "works for DK Metcalf". If you didn't want that comparison to be made, rephrase your statement because that's what you did. What your statement says is, "Metcalf has straight line speed so Quez can do just as well". Idiotic statement to make if you didn't want a comparison to be made. Quez doesn't belong in the same breath as either of the 3 dudes you mentioned. They're not gods, but they're 100x better than quez will ever be at football. 

No. That's you putting words in my mouth. I simply commented on your statement about Watkins' speed. I never said that made two players equal. But Metcalf isn't much of a route runner and if it wasn't for his speed, he wouldn't be the successful player he is. He'd just be another DGB. 

I couldn't care less what names you personally can use in the same breath. Get over it.  Cris Carter and Gregg Garrity were teammates. Oh no! There I go again! Two players in the same breath and everything. 

Don't try to apply your stupid rules to me. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

But Moorehead was just brought back officially, so he's the current topic because of the way the current events have broken.  

And you want to say that the WR was consistent over the past two years?  AJ Brown wasn't even consistent over the last 1 season.  He had a massive 6 games and then virtually disappeared over the second half of the year, and had his little media boycott before coming out with the confession that he and Hurts drew up a play against what was called that ended in an INT to seal a loss.   That's "consistency"?  

It sure sounds like that's Moorehead's fault!

7 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

It sure sounds like that's Moorehead's fault!

Was the offensive downfall all Brian Johnson's fault?   Was Hurts' regression all Tanner's fault?   Coaches usually pay the price when their charges decline.    And, if you recall, there was some weirdness regarding Brown and the coaching staff.  Maybe that wasn't including Moorehead, but only the coaches that were let go, or maybe Moorehead has a little of that magic Howie gene where his failures don't stick to him.

54 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

And when they were hurt quez was useless. And the few things he was asked to do, he actually got worse at.

Actually, Quez was pretty good when filling in for (the injured) Smith and put up Smith like numbers on the outside (11 targets, 8 receptions, 93 yards, 1 TD). Clearly, to me, Smith and Brown are better WRs than Quez. My whole point here has been that I feel Quez is a competent WR on the outside --- where Brown and Smith play. We don't need Quez because we are set there. Do we need a better slot WR? If we ever decide to utilize one in our offense, the answer is yes. Quez isn't a great fit there because the most valuable asset he has is speed. 

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

Cox might have been our best defender this season. That contract was a good one. 

Cox being their best defender says a lot about Cox but also a lot about the Eagles investment in DT and the lack of production they are getting from them. They've drafted 5 DT over the last 3 years. Two of them they traded up for in the 1st. Milton Williams was a 3rd. These guys have been touted as the next DT duo for the next decade and Williams is supposed to be a top rotational DT. Instead, they have to bring in veterans to give them breathers.

We've beaten to death the Davis pick and how they could have stayed put for Kyle Hamilton, traded back for Trent McDuffie, Jermaine Johnson or George Karlaftis. But what's also missed is the Eagles traded pick 15, 124, 162 and 166 to move up. By making that trade, the Eagles sat out from pick 83 to 183.

pick 124- Jake Ferguson was pick 129. Romeo Doubs at 132. Isaiah Likely at 139. Chigoziem Okonkwo pick 143. Tyler Allgeier 151. Jerome Ford 156.

pick 162- Kyren Williams was taken at 164

pick 166- Daron Bland was pick 167

Would you rather have Jordan Davis or some combo of the above players?

Can you imagine this team if they had Trent McDuffie, Romeo Doubs, Kyren Williams and Daron Bland?

You'd have your CB1 and CB2 locked down for the next decade and wouldn't have had to pay Slay or Bradberry. You wouldn't have had to trade a 3rd round pick on Kelee Ringo either. WR3 wouldn't be a question as Doubs would kill it from the slot and Kyren Williams would be entering his prime as RB1. 

 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Was the offensive downfall all Brian Johnson's fault?   Was Hurts' regression all Tanner's fault?   Coaches usually pay the price when their charges decline.    And, if you recall, there was some weirdness regarding Brown and the coaching staff.  Maybe that wasn't including Moorehead, but only the coaches that were let go, or maybe Moorehead has a little of that magic Howie gene where his failures don't stick to him.

Are you asking my opinion? I had nothing against Brian Johnson. As for the offense last year, I just felt the Eagles failed to add elements moving forward. Hurts was told to protect himself and that stymied one important element of the offense we had the year before. For some reason, they never replaced it with something else. When it came to what you call "Hurts' regression," my thoughts are that there were just a few plays that separated Hurts' passing from 2022 to 2023. In other words, in 2023 there were a few more plays that ended with a negative result that could have gone either way when compared to 2022. 

					Games		Passing
Year	Age	Tm ▲	Pos	No.	G	GS	Cmp	Att	Yds	Bats	ThAwy	Spikes	Drops	Drop%	BadTh	Bad%	OnTgt	OnTgt%
2023*	25	PHI	QB	1	17	17	352	538	3858	14	35	0	19	3.8%	72	14.3%	397	78.9%
2022*	24	PHI	QB	1	15	15	306	460	3701	13	23	0	22	5.0%	62	14.2%	340	77.8%
2021	23	PHI	QB	1	15	15	265	432	3144	11	22	2	22	5.4%	57	14.0%	319	78.2%
2020	22	PHI	QB	2	15	4	77	148	1061	5	12	1	4	3.0%	36	26.7%	82	60.7%

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Cox being their best defender says a lot about Cox but also a lot about the Eagles investment in DT and the lack of production they are getting from them. They've drafted 5 DT over the last 3 years. Two of them they traded up for in the 1st. Milton Williams was a 3rd. These guys have been touted as the next DT duo for the next decade and Williams is supposed to be a top rotational DT. Instead, they have to bring in veterans to give them breathers.

We've beaten to death the Davis pick and how they could have stayed put for Kyle Hamilton, traded back for Trent McDuffie, Jermaine Johnson or George Karlaftis. But what's also missed is the Eagles traded pick 15, 124, 162 and 166 to move up. By making that trade, the Eagles sat out from pick 83 to 183.

pick 124- Jake Ferguson was pick 129. Romeo Doubs at 132. Isaiah Likely at 139. Chigoziem Okonkwo pick 143. Tyler Allgeier 151. Jerome Ford 156.

pick 162- Kyren Williams was taken at 164

pick 166- Daron Bland was pick 167

Would you rather have Jordan Davis or some combo of the above players?

Can you imagine this team if they had Trent McDuffie, Romeo Doubs, Kyren Williams and Daron Bland?

You'd have your CB1 and CB2 locked down for the next decade and wouldn't have had to pay Slay or Bradberry. You wouldn't have had to trade a 3rd round pick on Kelee Ringo either. WR3 wouldn't be a question as Doubs would kill it from the slot and Kyren Williams would be entering his prime as RB1. 

 

they would have sucked here.

If that proposed cap figure is real, then I can see the FO moving some vets on now to get the bad mistake contracts out of the door. Team needs to get younger, so let's do it now

question-

Would you trade AJ Brown for Aiyuk?

I dont want a stanky 49er on my team. But I think financially it makes sense. If youre gonna have to hand a big money extension, rather give it to Aiyuk than an already slow AJ Brown and be stuck paying him while he slows down even more.

If anyone was interested these hats went on sale today (use "skates” it gives you 25% off) 

 

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

question-

Would you trade AJ Brown for Aiyuk?

I dont want a stanky 49er on my team. But I think financially it makes sense. If youre gonna have to hand a big money extension, rather give it to Aiyuk than an already slow AJ Brown and be stuck paying him while he slows down even more.

Hell no. Aiyuk is over rated