2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

But Moorehead was just brought back officially, so he's the current topic because of the way the current events have broken.  

No one has "officially” been brought back except Clay.   The only "official” announcements have been Moore at OC, Fangio at DC and the Clay extension.   We can probably say a picture of Doug Nussmeier (hereafter Doug N because the name spelling will be butchered) is pretty close to official because of a picture with him in it, but not "official”.  

Frankly, the only reason I can see for the Eagles holding the cards so long when just about every other team has announced its coaches (and many as hires were made) is that they are waiting on a decision. I have floated that might be Kelce taking Istvan’s role, but that is pure speculation.  

Honestly, it’s crap like that which makes me hate the swing from the open approach early with Lurie to the secrecy today.  I blame the Patriots spying as that seems to have been a catalyst.  With analytics and tape, I don’t think it provides any competitive advantage and just pisses off part of the fan base. 

12 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Are you trying to gaslight us?  Howie went shopping in the bargain bin.  

Morrow was a guy that few people were excited about.   Then the LBs looked so bad in TC they brought in two street free agents to try to improve the position, with old or broken down LBs in Cunningham and Jack.  Then, when Jack asked to go elsewhere, they went the deeper desperation route with Leonard.  

In what world is turning the safety position over to rookie Sydney Brown, 2nd year UDFA Blankenship and some cheap retreads was a good solution?  People were talking about how ridiculous it was that Blankenship didn't even dress for PS games and was just handed the starting job.  And then they went out and traded for Byard, because the safety position was so bad.... and newsflash, Howie's in season trades have pretty much all fallen flat, with the only notable exception of Jay Ajayi.  

 

Howie went low ball options at LB and S, because he HAD TO, not because he wanted to.   And why did he have to?  Because he painted himself into a corner with some contracts he'd given out, notably, the ones to the aging, declining Corners.   

Don’t just use your 20/20 hindsight because the season ended terribly and act like no one wanted these guys. People wanted Byard and Shaq. People loved Ghost (not me). Dean and Brown were investments into the position wether you like them or not it’s true. 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

a lot of DEs are still effective in to their low 30s. Reddick seems to have at least 2 more good seasons because hes still at such a high level. Id adjust his salary this year and add 2 more.

Reddick isn’t a DE, he’s a rush LB that is mediocre in coverage but does get sacks.  So the real question is how many rush LBs are still effective in their low 30s.  Problem I see is whether the sacks make up for the deficiencies in Fangio’s D, where Reddick may be asked to cover more and pick up the RB.  

Many get on Sweat but he actually played pretty well as a defensive end last year in the four man fronts.  

I was disappointed as the Eagles seemed to abandon the varied fronts last year.  And no stunts.  

46 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Are you asking my opinion? I had nothing against Brian Johnson. As for the offense last year, I just felt the Eagles failed to add elements moving forward. Hurts was told to protect himself and that stymied one important element of the offense we had the year before. For some reason, they never replaced it with something else. When it came to what you call "Hurts' regression," my thoughts are that there were just a few plays that separated Hurts' passing from 2022 to 2023. In other words, in 2023 there were a few more plays that ended with a negative result that could have gone either way when compared to 2022. 

					Games		Passing
Year	Age	Tm ▲	Pos	No.	G	GS	Cmp	Att	Yds	Bats	ThAwy	Spikes	Drops	Drop%	BadTh	Bad%	OnTgt	OnTgt%
2023*	25	PHI	QB	1	17	17	352	538	3858	14	35	0	19	3.8%	72	14.3%	397	78.9%
2022*	24	PHI	QB	1	15	15	306	460	3701	13	23	0	22	5.0%	62	14.2%	340	77.8%
2021	23	PHI	QB	1	15	15	265	432	3144	11	22	2	22	5.4%	57	14.0%	319	78.2%
2020	22	PHI	QB	2	15	4	77	148	1061	5	12	1	4	3.0%	36	26.7%	82	60.7%

 

I love this excuse.   Yes, Hurts was told to 'protect' himself, and yet had just 8 fewer carries than the year before.  And still averaged 9 carries a game.  Some protection.

 

You are scouting by the aggregate though.  Yes, the overall NUMBERS appear the same.   What about how they looked during games?   3rd down conversions were way down.  Sacks were way up.   He locked in way too much.   He ignored the middle of the field again.  

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I love this excuse.   Yes, Hurts was told to 'protect' himself, and yet had just 8 fewer carries than the year before.  And still averaged 9 carries a game.  Some protection.

The amount of sneaks + 2 more regular season games distort the numbers. 

I wish we'd call less QB runs and let Hurts run more on scramble drills. Running on scrambles is more efficient than called runs. 

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

The amount of sneaks + 2 more regular season games distort the numbers. 

I wish we'd call less QB runs and let Hurts run more on scramble drills. Running on scrambles is more efficient than called runs. 

I'm not calling BS on this even though it feels like I should be calling BS on this.  Sounds like a counterintuitive statement.  

Kamren Curl is my favorite free agent.

1 minute ago, MillerTime said:

Kamren Curl is my favorite free agent.

Him and/or DeShon Elliott would make me very happy.

18 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Don’t just use your 20/20 hindsight because the season ended terribly and act like no one wanted these guys. People wanted Byard and Shaq. People loved Ghost (not me). Dean and Brown were investments into the position wether you like them or not it’s true. 

People were DESPERATE to get anyone else on the team because of exactly how bad the safeties and linebackers were.   When you are starving, your standards lower dramatically for what is and is not acceptable food.   Same goes for the way that the safety and linebacker position were treated this past year.   Howie went dumpster diving, and then it turns out that the garbage he brought in during the offseason wasn't good enough.  And then he brought in a second round of dumpster dive targets with Cunningham and Jack.   And when that wasn't good enough, we got a third round dumpster dive with Leonard.    Yay!   So creative.

 

Don't use your own idea of what was an acceptable plan and believe that everyone was on board with that.   The plan of elevating the 2nd year UDFA to starting safety, despite only limited action as a rookie, and then putting him in bubble wrap was a bad plan.  The vets brought in to compete for the other spot were clearance items.   And yes, Brown was an 'investment' at safety.  But, you can't anticipate that A) you'll be able to land the safety you want in the draft, and B) that you can expect a rookie to step right in and play at a high level, and certainly not well enough to turn the keys over to him.   Their 'backup' plans were horrific.

 

And lastly, there's Dean.  Yes, a 3rd round investment in LB.  Not top shelf draft capital, not bottom shelf.  But, again, they pencilled him in as the starter... and that seemed to be a bad read on where he really was as a player.   And the result of all those poor decisions, lack of investment are what we saw on the field, complete and utter incompetence on the backend of the defense.   (Add to that the idea to bring back Bradberry at a relatively premium price just exacerbated that issue, because that money could have and likely should have been better spent elsewhere.)

 

BTW, people can 'love' Blankenship all they want.  But, exactly what was that love?  The love for a UDFA coming to the team and making a couple plays as a rookie... or the love of a future All-Pro in the making?   I think the 'love' he got was absolutely in line with the expectations on him as a rookie, and NOT the expectations they placed on him as a second year player thrust into a starting role.    I said it before, and I'll say it again, he's a great ST player and likely tops out as a 3rd safety who can give quality snaps when called upon.  He's not an every down player, or at least, he shouldn't be.   The fact that he was the best of the lot between S and LB says everything that needs to be said regarding the way that position has been mismanaged recently.

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

The amount of sneaks + 2 more regular season games distort the numbers. 

I wish we'd call less QB runs and let Hurts run more on scramble drills. Running on scrambles is more efficient than called runs. 

These are injury opportunities too.   The over reliance on that stupid Tush Push basically crippled the offense, and left him vulnerable to helmet to helmet collisions.   That's not protecting him at all, IMO.

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

People were DESPERATE to get anyone else on the team because of exactly how bad the safeties and linebackers were.   When you are starving, your standards lower dramatically for what is and is not acceptable food.   Same goes for the way that the safety and linebacker position were treated this past year.   Howie went dumpster diving, and then it turns out that the garbage he brought in during the offseason wasn't good enough.  And then he brought in a second round of dumpster dive targets with Cunningham and Jack.   And when that wasn't good enough, we got a third round dumpster dive with Leonard.    Yay!   So creative.

 

Don't use your own idea of what was an acceptable plan and believe that everyone was on board with that.   The plan of elevating the 2nd year UDFA to starting safety, despite only limited action as a rookie, and then putting him in bubble wrap was a bad plan.  The vets brought in to compete for the other spot were clearance items.   And yes, Brown was an 'investment' at safety.  But, you can't anticipate that A) you'll be able to land the safety you want in the draft, and B) that you can expect a rookie to step right in and play at a high level, and certainly not well enough to turn the keys over to him.   Their 'backup' plans were horrific.

 

And lastly, there's Dean.  Yes, a 3rd round investment in LB.  Not top shelf draft capital, not bottom shelf.  But, again, they pencilled him in as the starter... and that seemed to be a bad read on where he really was as a player.   And the result of all those poor decisions, lack of investment are what we saw on the field, complete and utter incompetence on the backend of the defense.   (Add to that the idea to bring back Bradberry at a relatively premium price just exacerbated that issue, because that money could have and likely should have been better spent elsewhere.)

 

BTW, people can 'love' Blankenship all they want.  But, exactly what was that love?  The love for a UDFA coming to the team and making a couple plays as a rookie... or the love of a future All-Pro in the making?   I think the 'love' he got was absolutely in line with the expectations on him as a rookie, and NOT the expectations they placed on him as a second year player thrust into a starting role.    I said it before, and I'll say it again, he's a great ST player and likely tops out as a 3rd safety who can give quality snaps when called upon.  He's not an every down player, or at least, he shouldn't be.   The fact that he was the best of the lot between S and LB says everything that needs to be said regarding the way that position has been mismanaged recently.

Blankenship is pretty good. But you need another safety at least as good as him and we didnt have that.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah a 32 year old corner going on 33 is not the same as a 29 year old pass rusher going on 30. And slay got tied into here until he was at least 34. And bradberry had a history in his career of up one year then down the following. Meanwhile Reddick has had 4 consecutive years of 11+ sacks. But yes clearly the same…

TBH, IDK how Reddick got that many sacks last year.   Didn’t seem that way after painfully watching 17 games last year.

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

People were DESPERATE to get anyone else on the team because of exactly how bad the safeties and linebackers were.   When you are starving, your standards lower dramatically for what is and is not acceptable food.   Same goes for the way that the safety and linebacker position were treated this past year.   Howie went dumpster diving, and then it turns out that the garbage he brought in during the offseason wasn't good enough.  And then he brought in a second round of dumpster dive targets with Cunningham and Jack.   And when that wasn't good enough, we got a third round dumpster dive with Leonard.    Yay!   So creative.

 

Don't use your own idea of what was an acceptable plan and believe that everyone was on board with that.   The plan of elevating the 2nd year UDFA to starting safety, despite only limited action as a rookie, and then putting him in bubble wrap was a bad plan.  The vets brought in to compete for the other spot were clearance items.   And yes, Brown was an 'investment' at safety.  But, you can't anticipate that A) you'll be able to land the safety you want in the draft, and B) that you can expect a rookie to step right in and play at a high level, and certainly not well enough to turn the keys over to him.   Their 'backup' plans were horrific.

 

And lastly, there's Dean.  Yes, a 3rd round investment in LB.  Not top shelf draft capital, not bottom shelf.  But, again, they pencilled him in as the starter... and that seemed to be a bad read on where he really was as a player.   And the result of all those poor decisions, lack of investment are what we saw on the field, complete and utter incompetence on the backend of the defense.   (Add to that the idea to bring back Bradberry at a relatively premium price just exacerbated that issue, because that money could have and likely should have been better spent elsewhere.)

 

BTW, people can 'love' Blankenship all they want.  But, exactly what was that love?  The love for a UDFA coming to the team and making a couple plays as a rookie... or the love of a future All-Pro in the making?   I think the 'love' he got was absolutely in line with the expectations on him as a rookie, and NOT the expectations they placed on him as a second year player thrust into a starting role.    I said it before, and I'll say it again, he's a great ST player and likely tops out as a 3rd safety who can give quality snaps when called upon.  He's not an every down player, or at least, he shouldn't be.   The fact that he was the best of the lot between S and LB says everything that needs to be said regarding the way that position has been mismanaged recently.

Add to this it wasn’t hindsight to everyone as well. were also people who said byard wasn’t good in 2023 with the titans before the trade with vrabel and he was having a down year. Also people who said Leonard was likely unlikely to fix their linebacker issue as he wasn’t very good at this stage of his career and you were likely praying more then he’d actually hit. And firing the Dc in week 15 was not fixing the the problems and could actually get worse. I know cause i said all those things. It wasn’t hindsight to everyone.

Let me just point out I also said going into the season (throughout preseason was a huge discussion when i said it— remember the whole Wallace starting topic during the preseason) with a injury prone Evans, a jag Edmunds, blankenship who never proved he could start 17 games and a rookie third round pick was likely going to be a big problem at safety. And it wound up being a big issue at safety even when they added a guy who looked like he was already declining when he was with the Titans. Were others saying don’t extend both slay and bradberry let one go don’t get tied into 2 30+ year old corners. And now they are committed money to both this year with little wiggle room 

Just an insane take. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If anyone was interested these hats went on sale today (use "skates” it gives you 25% off) 

 

Gross

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

TBH, IDK how Reddick got that many sacks last year.   Didn’t seem that way after painfully watching 17 games last year.

I think his thumb injury early didn’t help him with that total. He was better once that healed. Issue to me is Reddick was still good. Really the DL besides Reddick, cox and Carter weren’t all that good last year. We need sweat, Williams and Davis all to make jumps in 2024. 

40 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

I love this excuse.   Yes, Hurts was told to 'protect' himself, and yet had just 8 fewer carries than the year before.  And still averaged 9 carries a game.  Some protection.

 

You are scouting by the aggregate though.  Yes, the overall NUMBERS appear the same.   What about how they looked during games?   3rd down conversions were way down.  Sacks were way up.   He locked in way too much.   He ignored the middle of the field again.  

There’s a dichotomy here.  Hurts regressed badly, so did the playcalling.  Those things are both independent and tied together at the same time.  All 22 shows how much he left on the field, but also shows times where the playcalling set us up to fail with the 1 and 9 mindset.   This is where the Hurts huggers and haters can’t agree where to put blame.  Reality is, both sides are the issue.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think his thumb injury early didn’t help him with that total. He was better once that healed. Issue to me is Reddick was still good. Really the DL besides Reddick, cox and Carter weren’t all that good last year. We need sweat, Williams and Davis all to make jumps in 2024. 

As a pass rusher, he generated a good amount of pressure.  His issue was finishing and run support.  He was terrible against the run. 

25 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Kamren Curl is my favorite free agent.

He's very high on my listing too. Kyle Dugger and Xavier McKinney are on that safety list too. One of the three I'd be happy with. 

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

As a pass rusher, he generated a good amount of pressure.  His issue was finishing and run support.  He was terrible against the run. 

Tbh everyone on the eagles was terrible against the run after the bye week. The only one that was good was cox.

37 minutes ago, RLC said:

The amount of sneaks + 2 more regular season games distort the numbers. 

I wish we'd call less QB runs and let Hurts run more on scramble drills. Running on scrambles is more efficient than called runs. 

Yes and no…he almost has to run on scramble drills because he can’t throw on the run because of his lack of arm strength and consistent mechanics.  On the flip side, half of his ‘scramble drills’ was him bailing from completely clean pockets.

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

He's very high on my listing too. Kyle Dugger and Xavier McKinney are on that safety list too. One of the three I'd be happy with. 

I liked dugger coming out of college. Haven’t kept up with the patriots enough to know how he’s looked. I do like savage from the packers when he came out. He had a nice year for them in 2023. Was kind of down in 2021 and 2022. He was actually good for Gb in the playoffs  

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Cox being their best defender says a lot about Cox but also a lot about the Eagles investment in DT and the lack of production they are getting from them. They've drafted 5 DT over the last 3 years. Two of them they traded up for in the 1st. Milton Williams was a 3rd. These guys have been touted as the next DT duo for the next decade and Williams is supposed to be a top rotational DT. Instead, they have to bring in veterans to give them breathers.

We've beaten to death the Davis pick and how they could have stayed put for Kyle Hamilton, traded back for Trent McDuffie, Jermaine Johnson or George Karlaftis. But what's also missed is the Eagles traded pick 15, 124, 162 and 166 to move up. By making that trade, the Eagles sat out from pick 83 to 183.

pick 124- Jake Ferguson was pick 129. Romeo Doubs at 132. Isaiah Likely at 139. Chigoziem Okonkwo pick 143. Tyler Allgeier 151. Jerome Ford 156.

pick 162- Kyren Williams was taken at 164

pick 166- Daron Bland was pick 167

Would you rather have Jordan Davis or some combo of the above players?

Can you imagine this team if they had Trent McDuffie, Romeo Doubs, Kyren Williams and Daron Bland?

You'd have your CB1 and CB2 locked down for the next decade and wouldn't have had to pay Slay or Bradberry. You wouldn't have had to trade a 3rd round pick on Kelee Ringo either. WR3 wouldn't be a question as Doubs would kill it from the slot and Kyren Williams would be entering his prime as RB1. 

 

HIndsight is always 20/20, when you cherry pick the hits and skip what % of total picks those hits were, i.e., the odds of picking the right players ex ante.

5 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

There’s a dichotomy here.  Hurts regressed badly, so did the playcalling.  Those things are both independent and tied together at the same time.  All 22 shows how much he left on the field, but also shows times where the playcalling set us up to fail with the 1 and 9 mindset.   This is where the Hurts huggers and haters can’t agree where to put blame.  Reality is, both sides are the issue.

Oh, I'm happy to put the offensive blame on everyone.  I was fully on board with a complete overhaul of the offensive coaching staff (Stout, excluded), and starting from scratch.   They chose the half way plan... some stay, some go.   We'll see if there's any benefit to keeping any of them.   And we'll see if the guys they bring in are the right ones.

My thing with Reddick is he can rush the passer very well, however, that's about all he can do.

Reddick will be turning 30 at the beginning of the season, we already saw how effective he was when he had a hand injury. I've posted before about there being a significant drop off of pass rusher performance at 30+. Very few have had 10+ sack seasons at 30+, and if they did, it was a one season thing. You are paying Reddick to rush the passer and get 10+ sacks a year. I have very high doubts he will be able to have multiple 10+ sack seasons over the next 3-4 seasons.

Eagles have him locked up for 2024. Reddick can play on the deal he signed, Eagles can throw him some extra guaranteed money for the year, and next season he can get paid if he performs. I'm not in favor of extending him when, to me, he is a prime candidate for a fast decline.