1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If a RB can't make it with Shanahan, he's unlikely to make it with anyone.  

What RB is going to make it with CMC getting all those carries?  No RB is even going to see the field unless he gets hurt

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

before they paid all the RB money to McCaffrey their RB depth charts were always enviable. 

Maybe, but that has little to do with Shanahan’s ability to pick RBs in the draft. Elijah Mitchell is his only hit, and he’s more of a good backup than anything else. 

1 minute ago, MF POON said:

What RB is going to make it with CMC getting all those carries?  No RB is even going to see the field unless he gets hurt

Part of the reason they traded for CMC was because they failed with Sermon, Davis-Price looked bad and Elijah Mitchell couldn’t stay healthy. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Taylor signed a deal 2 years ago for $5.5M per. He's 35 now and it's a crowded market. I wouldn't be surprised if you could get him for $3M which is fine for a backup to compete. Darnold was $4.5M last year and didn't improve his stock at all. Really it depends on how much would be guaranteed. 

 

To the point of Darnold he did end up being their #2 and they traded Trey Lance.  I'd be down for Taylor but I think of he signs even for $3M he becomes the #2.  Just seem how this team operates with a players salary often dictating their pecking order on the depth chart.

I want to see McKee get his shot to be the #2. He was clearly better than Mariota last summer.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Part of the reason they traded for CMC was because they failed with Sermon, Davis-Price looked bad and Elijah Mitchell couldn’t stay healthy. 

Sermon had 41 attempts and only started 2 out of 9 games with SF.  He also had a 4.1 avg.  I don't think that's enough to qualify him as a bust, but I don't fault them for trading for CMC (even though they gave up too much imo for him). Anyway, maybe the guy just needs time and a coach that believes in him to blossom?  Also, Carolina was looking to get draft picks for CMC as they were in rebuild mode anyway, and CMC was an oft injured RB at the time. 

Just now, MF POON said:

Sermon had 41 attempts and only started 2 out of 9 games with SF.  He also had a 4.1 avg.  I don't think that's enough to qualify him as a bust, but I don't fault them for trading for CMC (even though they gave up too much imo for him). Anyway, maybe the guy just needs time and a coach that believes in him to blossom?  Also, Carolina was looking to get draft picks for CMC as they were in rebuild mode anyway, and CMC was an oft injured RB at the time. 

They cut Sermon, a third-round pick, before the start of his second season. That’s a bust. 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Go get those RB busts in SF, Howie.

Playoff Price has a nice ring to it!

8 minutes ago, paco said:

Playoff Price has a nice ring to it!

I am not sure whether you have jinxed him to not even make the roster or to just to have a big turnover in a playoff game for us. 

39 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

before they paid all the RB money to McCaffrey their RB depth charts were always enviable. 

McCaffrey. Isn't that the bum that lost the 9ers the Super Bowl 

12 minutes ago, paco said:

Playoff Price has a nice ring to it!

TD-P!

40 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

he didnt work out. 

Correct.   I don't have high hopes for this next one either.   I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.   But, generally speaking, if they can't stick with him, they aren't worth having at all.  He (and his father before him) did a great job getting good production from average RBs.  Give them a great one, and you get ridiculous production... i.e. Terrell Davis (Mike Shanahan) and Christian McCaffrey (Kyle Shanahan).   

Consequently, it reminds me of the trade where Shanahan shipped Clinton Portis to Washington for Champ Bailey.  Portis was really good in Denver (5.5 ypc), but average in Washington (barely over 4 ypc).  The difference was the blocking schemes.  Meanwhile, Shanahan just plugged in a new average RB and got back most of the production he'd lost, while adding a perennial All-Pro CB.  Great trade for Denver.

45 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

before they paid all the RB money to McCaffrey their RB depth charts were always enviable. 

They were.  But, never more than 3 deep.  

One of the dynamics this offseason is we'll see how much influence the coordinators have on personnel. Not that they will have say over Howie. That is not even a debate, Howie is king. But if he's interested in listening to their recommendations. Like if Moore says he wants a high volume carry back, will Howie go out and spend a little more than he otherwise wanted. Or if Fangio says he wants a premium LB for his defense.Will Howie put more emphasis on the position.

21 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Sermon had 41 attempts and only started 2 out of 9 games with SF.  He also had a 4.1 avg.  I don't think that's enough to qualify him as a bust, but I don't fault them for trading for CMC (even though they gave up too much imo for him). Anyway, maybe the guy just needs time and a coach that believes in him to blossom?  Also, Carolina was looking to get draft picks for CMC as they were in rebuild mode anyway, and CMC was an oft injured RB at the time. 

It is not just that, is it?

They cut him after 1 year.   He landed in Philly... and did nothing.   Then he went to Indy.   He did nothing.    He's been on 3 teams in 3 years.  Exactly how many teams need to give up on a player before 'bust' is an ok label for a guy?  

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

They cut Sermon, a third-round pick, before the start of his second season. That’s a bust. 

Can 3rd rounders really be busts? 1st and 2nd yeah... 3rd and down... even more of crap shoot.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Or if Fangio says he wants a premium LB for his defense

Please, please, please.  Please.   

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Go get those RB busts in SF, Howie.

Bust?  49ers snuck him to the PS late and gave him the opportunity to shop his options in doing so.  Good size but not explosive.  Decent pass pro.  Might be a good complimentary back.   Way overdrafted.  Clearly a Day 3 coming out of college.  I kind of like the overdrafted players Howie has signed this offseason, most to future contracts. 

25 minutes ago, paco said:

Playoff Price has a nice ring to it!

This only applies to Carey Price.

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Correct.   I don't have high hopes for this next one either.   I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.   But, generally speaking, if they can't stick with him, they aren't worth having at all.  He (and his father before him) did a great job getting good production from average RBs.  Give them a great one, and you get ridiculous production... i.e. Terrell Davis (Mike Shanahan) and Christian McCaffrey (Kyle Shanahan).   

Consequently, it reminds me of the trade where Shanahan shipped Clinton Portis to Washington for Champ Bailey.  Portis was really good in Denver (5.5 ypc), but average in Washington (barely over 4 ypc).  The difference was the blocking schemes.  Meanwhile, Shanahan just plugged in a new average RB and got back most of the production he'd lost, while adding a perennial All-Pro CB.  Great trade for Denver.

I don't have high expectations either. 

But conceivable that talent can shake loose that just isn't going to play behind McCaffrey, and their firmly entrenched #2.

 

This guy has 4.48 combine speed but looks like a slow plodder who's highlights are running untouched through holes at LSU.

Maybe he will have more power than Gainwell though,  and if he does,  then he has a niche here. 

You think the Eagles have cap stuff they gotta figure out, Dallas needs to pay these two plus Parsons(who will certainly be the highest paid defender in the NFL) plus have a crap ton of free agents. They can't afford to keep everybody. Wonder if Martin eventually is a cap casualty and they let Smith go.

9 minutes ago, judunno said:

Can 3rd rounders really be busts? 1st and 2nd yeah... 3rd and down... even more of crap shoot.

Yes. Even if it’s a crapshoot, you have to be a bust to get cut after one year as a third round pick. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I don't have high expectations either. 

But conceivable that talent can shake loose that just isn't going to play behind McCaffrey, and their firmly entrenched #2.

 

This guy has 4.48 combine speed but looks like a slow plodder who's highlights are running untouched through holes at LSU.

Maybe he will have more power than Gainwell though,  and if he does,  then he has a niche here. 

He was a pretty surprising third-round pick. Seems like he was over drafted. From what I read, he was a bad fit for a zone scheme. 

35 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yes. Even if it’s a crapshoot, you have to be a bust to get cut after one year as a third round pick. 

Not only that, but RB is one of the easiest positions to scout. 

53 minutes ago, judunno said:

Can 3rd rounders really be busts? 1st and 2nd yeah... 3rd and down... even more of crap shoot.

If you cut a 3rd round pick in year 1 or 2, then yes that's a bust. You should be finding starters in the 3rd round. 

4 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

The wider issue with Hurts is needlessly bailing on the pocket; he would have less time spent throwing on the run and al the issues that come with that, if he could work the pocket more. The scheme this season showed people being wiiiiiiiiiiide open and Jalen exiting a clean enough pocket because he heard footsteps and throwing it OOB.

Nuessmeier has a big job stopping that habit

He showed in 2022 that he can stay in the pocket. No idea why he reverted back to bailing out in 2023. His new QB coach?