30 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Eagles were a mediocre team for several years leading up to last season, and now again this season.   Every year besides this year they have produced?  2018-2021: 9-7, 9-7, 4-11-1, 9-8.  Decidedly mediocre.

I brought something similar up after the 2020 season. If you went back to 2011 (10 seasons) through 2020 their record was 81-78-1. Meaning they averaged about 8.1 wins per season in that decade. The Super Bowl year really came out of nowhere and they never had another team consistently close to that playing at that level in that stretch of time (even 2018 they were closer for most of the year to what they had been). it was the only year they had over 10 wins and really it was the only team with 10 or more wins in the 7  season period of time from 2015-2021. They actually had a winning record in 5 of those 10 seasons. The Super Bowl year really allowed you to overlook portions of that decade especially 2011-2015 where there was a lot of turmoil and issues. 

2017 team was lightning striking, 2018 and 2019 Howie kept putting out rods hoping it would strike again. 2020 the roof caved in.,

Siri turned it around in one season, it's not like there was a huge talent influx that year.

2022 lightning struck again, on a better field they might beat KC.

Again, Howie tried to keep it going but just didn't have the resources, but the real problem was the coaching staff.

Hurts was not the problem, steady improvement since he was drafted, his fall off last year was his knee (simply couldn't run to his standard) and a combination of bad personnel and coaching - if you're transitioning him to be more of a pocket QB, where are the easy underneath throws, the max protection on the deep shots, etc. Yeah, Mahomes is great, but he's also playing for AR, who could scheme Thrash and Pinkston open.

Just watch any Eagle game down the stretch, now count how many open (a yard separation) throws Hurts had, and count the number the opposing QB had.

This is going to be Hurts 4th season starting, when most QB start hitting their stride - if Moore can give him a true pro passing scheme, don't be surprised if he puts up big numbers.

So Big Dom getting suspended was the reason for the collapse 😄😄

Now that we solved that we can move on. 

3 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

Eagles were a mediocre team for several years leading up to last season, and now again this season.   Every year besides this year they have produced?  2018-2021: 9-7, 9-7, 4-11-1, 9-8.  Decidedly mediocre.

Again, confusing talent with performance. The individual players, look at them. The OL, decidedly elite for years and while not as great thia ywar, not mediocre by any definition. Swift was an above average back in Detroit. Goedert isn't as good as some people here think but he isn't mediocre. You somehow decide AJ and Smitty are the only ones who are any good because they had productive years this year. All that's left is hurts who is the only one who doesn't have a long standing history of production.

I'm actually starting to wonder if you know what mediocre means. 

Edit: struggling to figure out how the records of teams from 5 years ago has to do with the current offense not being stacked. Enlighten me

9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

It would qualify as playing football and would certainly fall in the category of not a big concern. Can you name a single injury Hurts had in the NFL that he couldn't play through?

 

Hurts has now been the starter for 3 full seasons. In that span, he has missed 3 games as a result of injuries. That averages to 1 game per season.  Is that above or below the league average for starting QBs? Off the top of my head, Mahomes and Josh Allen have missed less. Anybody else?

So if you're merely interested in just playing the semantics game about the word "ongoing," then I guess you win. But if the implication was that was something we should be extremely concerned about, then you just don't have the data to back up the argument. Every QB that has started the last 3 seasons has had injuries. Most of them are usually injuries that can be played through. The days of "Iron Man" QBs like Eli Manning are long gone with the introduction of concussion protocols. In the Eagles' case, they had hoped to coast to the 1st rd bye in 2022 with 3 games remaining and chose to rest and protect Hurts. The year before, Jalen clearly said he would have played with the ankle if that had been a must-win game. So the Eagles were in a position to hold him out of 3 games with very minor injuries. I don't know how I'll get through the rest of his career worrying about this "ongoing" issue. 

I don't recall saying I was losing sleep over it, but it's something to keep note on as every year down the line he's hurt. He was hurt in college as well. He was hobbled by his knee a large chunk of the year as well, which obviously hurt him running more so and held the offense back even more. 

Now that's not to say there weren't other massive issues as well. I know no one can fault him in any capacity or it's taboo, but he's a large part of the problem as well. 

You may want to understand what ongoing actually means before you so vehemently try to argue against it.

The number of games missed is irrelevant to the discussion, but you're bringing it up as a means to show he doesn't consistently get hurt towards the end of the season each year. It doesn't relate. Factually, he does. Factually, he's limited when the playoffs start. It's okay to admit that. I never said he couldn't finish a season.

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

In other news, Caplan is claiming the contract given to Okwara is worth $1.3M up to $2.6M and half of it is fully guaranteed. If that’s true, that seems pretty silly to give a guy who was on a PS that the Lions didn’t even bother offering a futures contract. 

How dare you question the great and powerful Wizard of Howie?!  

3 hours ago, devpool said:

Again, confusing talent with performance. The individual players, look at them. The OL, decidedly elite for years and while not as great thia ywar, not mediocre by any definition. Swift was an above average back in Detroit. Goedert isn't as good as some people here think but he isn't mediocre. You somehow decide AJ and Smitty are the only ones who are any good because they had productive years this year. All that's left is hurts who is the only one who doesn't have a long standing history of production.

I'm actually starting to wonder if you know what mediocre means. 

Edit: struggling to figure out how the records of teams from 5 years ago has to do with the current offense not being stacked. Enlighten me

I too thought the Eagles were stacked, but results matter.  The two SB seasons were fueled by two young QBs having amazing seasons and likely covering the warts.  I know we have talented players, but I have to consider they aren't as good as I think because their record says they aren't.  It's a bummer.  If they only look good when their QB is MVP level, then I don't think the talent is as good as I thought. 

Merely my opinion.  It's a fun conversation because there are so many angles and factors to be considered that can lead to multiple conclusions.  Mine is results matter and the results say a mediocre team boosted 2x in the past 8 years by phenomenal QB play.  

42 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I too thought the Eagles were stacked, but results matter.  The two SB seasons were fueled by two young QBs having amazing seasons and likely covering the warts.  I know we have talented players, but I have to consider they aren't as good as I think because their record says they aren't.  It's a bummer.  If they only look good when their QB is MVP level, then I don't think the talent is as good as I thought. 

Merely my opinion.  It's a fun conversation because there are so many angles and factors to be considered that can lead to multiple conclusions.  Mine is results matter and the results say a mediocre team boosted 2x in the past 8 years by phenomenal QB play.  

Your brain failed you. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Your brain failed you. 

More than once, but not today. 

10 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I also think it’s a little bit unfair to single out Hurts with the endorsement stuff. The whole team started smelling themselves a bit. A lot of other players have also done commercials, advertisements or shown up on random TV shows. 

This is more on the coaches then…since week 1, in every film study session the team should have been absolutely lambasted week after week for sloppy play.  If they started smelling themselves the coaches weren’t doing their job.  

7 hours ago, austinfan said:

2017 team was lightning striking, 2018 and 2019 Howie kept putting out rods hoping it would strike again. 2020 the roof caved in.,

Siri turned it around in one season, it's not like there was a huge talent influx that year.

2022 lightning struck again, on a better field they might beat KC.

Again, Howie tried to keep it going but just didn't have the resources, but the real problem was the coaching staff.

Hurts was not the problem, steady improvement since he was drafted, his fall off last year was his knee (simply couldn't run to his standard) and a combination of bad personnel and coaching - if you're transitioning him to be more of a pocket QB, where are the easy underneath throws, the max protection on the deep shots, etc. Yeah, Mahomes is great, but he's also playing for AR, who could scheme Thrash and Pinkston open.

Just watch any Eagle game down the stretch, now count how many open (a yard separation) throws Hurts had, and count the number the opposing QB had.

This is going to be Hurts 4th season starting, when most QB start hitting their stride - if Moore can give him a true pro passing scheme, don't be surprised if he puts up big numbers.

So if the only 2 good years we’ve had have been lightning striking, you must not have a very opinion of Howie.

2017: SB win
2018: Divisional round
2019: Wild-card L
2020: Disaster
2021: Wild-card L
2022: SB loss
2023: Wild-card L

That's honestly a great stretch over the past 7 years. Other than the Chiefs, no one has been clearly better. We did that with multiple QBs and coaching staffs, so you have to give a lot of credit to the front office. 

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

I don't recall saying I was losing sleep over it, but it's something to keep note on as every year down the line he's hurt. He was hurt in college as well. He was hobbled by his knee a large chunk of the year as well, which obviously hurt him running more so and held the offense back even more. 

Now that's not to say there weren't other massive issues as well. I know no one can fault him in any capacity or it's taboo, but he's a large part of the problem as well. 

You may want to understand what ongoing actually means before you so vehemently try to argue against it.

The number of games missed is irrelevant to the discussion, but you're bringing it up as a means to show he doesn't consistently get hurt towards the end of the season each year. It doesn't relate. Factually, he does. Factually, he's limited when the playoffs start. It's okay to admit that. I never said he couldn't finish a season.

Once again, I conceded the semantics. 

I just don't share the concern. Mahomes seems to always be limping into the playoffs, playing through one injury or another. Josh Allen plays through injuries late every season. Does that demonstrate fragility or toughness? Burrow, on the other hand, seems to be susceptible to more severe injuries --- the kind players can't play through. That would be concerning. 

22 minutes ago, RLC said:

2017: SB win
2018: Divisional round
2019: Wild-card L
2020: Disaster
2021: Wild-card L
2022: SB loss
2023: Wild-card L

That's honestly a great stretch over the past 7 years. Other than the Chiefs, no one has been clearly better. We did that with multiple QBs and coaching staffs, so you have to give a lot of credit to the front office. 

Minus 2023 and the historic all time collapse.  

8 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Once again, I conceded the semantics. 

I just don't share the concern. Mahomes seems to always be limping into the playoffs, playing through one injury or another. Josh Allen plays through injuries late every season. Does that demonstrate fragility or toughness? Burrow, on the other hand, seems to be susceptible to more severe injuries --- the kind players can't play through. That would be concerning. 

I don't even think you even know what you're arguing. I never said I was concerned for him, at any point. I said it's no surprise he's hurt as it's an ongoing thing and that has been addressed.

You continue to add more to the conversation that wasn't there initially.

So Big Dom is the Coach Whisperer of the NFL. I wonder what he tells Sirianni?  I'll reduce your pocket money if you keep acting up on the sideline

? Howies?

20 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I don't even think you even know what you're arguing. I never said I was concerned for him, at any point. I said it's no surprise he's hurt as it's an ongoing thing and that has been addressed.

You continue to add more to the conversation that wasn't there initially.

 I never said you said you were "concerned for him." Heck, if I had to wager, I'd say you weren't concerned for him at all. But you brought up this "ongoing" injury argument as if it is a concern for the team. What was the point of bringing up the ongoing trend? I mean, you're acting like there are players who play the whole season that don't get any injuries whatsoever. There are normal injuries, bumps, bruises, cuts, etc... that every player gets. There are minor injuries where there may be an official timeout on the field and the player has to leave the game for at least 1 play or where a player suffers something that creates pain, but doesn't lead to a practice injury designation. There are moderate injuries that might cause a player to miss practice and / or a part of a game (or maybe up to 3-4). Then there are major injuries that typically require surgery or a hospital stay and being placed on IR and then some kind of significant rehab. 

Your whole "ongoing" thing, IMO is describing what is normal for all NFL starters. So, I ask once again, why did you bring it up if it isn't supposed to be a concern?

41 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Your whole "ongoing" thing, IMO is describing what is normal for all NFL starters. So, I ask once again, why did you bring it up if it isn't supposed to be a concern?

Did you not say you didn't share the concern? Are you not in the above asking me again about concern? Wouldn't the inference on that be you assumed I was concerned? 

I think it's worth noting that our starting QB is limited every season during crunch time and at this point it's a trend. Clearly you don't. That's fine.

I'm not going to keep on with this though, because it's obviously not getting anywhere and you seem to be going off on tangents that have nothing to do with pointing something simple out. 

Have at it.

Ita true.  Terrible sports media and equally terrible fanbase.

 

 

 

I'd say anyone who isn't concerned about Hurts' NFL injury history is pretty damn foolish.  

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'd say anyone who isn't concerned about Hurts' NFL injury history is pretty damn foolish.  

Until it's something major (like an ACL) it's worth noting, but not anything to get too worked up over.

Don't you dare point it out though.

On an unrelated topic, Brian Burns allegedly turned down 5/27 and wants at least 30/season. He will never get that or come here for that price.

12 hours ago, devpool said:

Gunn isn't some random reporter, he's actually plugged in and probably has a better rapport with some of the players than any other reporter. Also Gunn's tweet is somewhat corroborated by the article that LeanMean posted, Hurts was overwhelmed by extracurriculars. 

The sirianni thing might be a bit overexaggerated but that's on whoever his source is. 

I still don't believe it 🤷‍♂️

People coming out of the woodwork to trash Hurts is funny

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

People coming out of the woodwork to trash Hurts is funny

He isn't a good enough QB to win a SB. He is a one read gimmick with a ton of weapons and a very good OL. He struggles with situational awareness and plays hero ball.