1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes... and Epps?   Howie made the choice to go with two new safeties (he let CJGJ's tantrum turn him off) and invest extra money in two aging CBs... both of whom missed significant time, AND he essentially ignored the back 7 in the draft on top of shopping the clearance rack in Free agency.   

 

The idea that Howie is somehow the victim in all this is laughable.  This is HIS master plan and HIS decisions coming back to bite the team in the backside.  Howie chose to let these guys hit the market.  He had opportunity to negotiate with these players before FA started, but he let the market set the price, and as a result, he was left without much left for this team.  He wanted to get these guys back for bargain prices... and we see the result.   And why did he need bargain prices?  Because of how much dead money this team carries due to the structures he uses for these overpriced aging players.   Lather, rinse, repeat with the way he structured the Bradberry and Slay contracts he gave out just this offseason.

 

No worries though, we can walk away from both Slay and Bradberry after ONE MORE season... and only have $25M dead for Slay and $12M dead for Bradberry.   ($36M in dead money for players that are likely going to be killing the team in 2024 while they are ON the roster.)

Well, Bradberry should be a lot better next season according to you all.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes... and Epps?   Howie made the choice to go with two new safeties (he let CJGJ's tantrum turn him off) and invest extra money in two aging CBs... both of whom missed significant time, AND he essentially ignored the back 7 in the draft on top of shopping the clearance rack in Free agency.   

 

The idea that Howie is somehow the victim in all this is laughable.  This is HIS master plan and HIS decisions coming back to bite the team in the backside.  Howie chose to let these guys hit the market.  He had opportunity to negotiate with these players before FA started, but he let the market set the price, and as a result, he was left without much left for this team.  He wanted to get these guys back for bargain prices... and we see the result.   And why did he need bargain prices?  Because of how much dead money this team carries due to the structures he uses for these overpriced aging players.   Lather, rinse, repeat with the way he structured the Bradberry and Slay contracts he gave out just this offseason.

 

No worries though, we can walk away from both Slay and Bradberry after ONE MORE season... and only have $25M dead for Slay and $12M dead for Bradberry.   ($36M in dead money for players that are likely going to be killing the team in 2024 while they are ON the roster.)

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Well, Bradberry should be a lot better next season according to you all.  

Tbh he might just be done now. Even if he’s not i think he gets post June 1st cut (saves them nothing) unless they have two other guys they have in mind. 

4 minutes ago, shlo said:

I thought the same thing. Davis is not a leader yet. Has a lot to prove. 

He's always the first in line at the cafeteria.  Oh... not that kind of leader, my bad.  

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It got floated out there that the Jazz  were going to make him available and anybody for the right price. The problem the Sixers have is I’m not sure they have the right price because they don’t have young players that Utah wants and draft picks. I think there’s gonna be a team out there that can match what the jazz want better than what the Sixers can

Reportedly Utah wants a star player in return. So we aren't getting him. 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Has Lane said he's playing another year?

More or less. He said he feels he has a few more years in him.

As far as Howie goes, name a single GM that has a perfect track record when dealing with the draft, free agency and the salary cap.

I’ll wait.  
 

Exactly.  There are NONE. Howie isn’t perfect and has made mistakes.

 That said,  Howie is a top 5 NFL GM and would have a half a dozen job offers (or more) within hours of leaving this organization (if that ever happens). 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Reportedly Utah wants a star player in return. So we aren't getting him. 

Tobias is a star player in some universes lol 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Well, Bradberry should be a lot better next season according to you all.  

And he'll be 31... so, no, he won't.  

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tobias is a star player in some universes lol 

Lol yeah.  But I am guessing they won't see it that way. 

If they bring back bradberry he’s gonna start eating lunches in his car at training camp. 

6 minutes ago, shlo said:

I thought the same thing. Davis is not a leader yet. Has a lot to prove. 

I think BG will be back, maybe not Cox. But makes you think about who are the leaders left on defense apart from BG.  Simply being a veteran doesn't make you the leader.  Slay is no leader.  Reddick is fine but doesn't seem like the guy everyone would look to.  That might be part of the problem on defense.  There's no "dawg" like Dawkins in the back 7.  

Just now, NOTW said:

I think BG will be back, maybe not Cox. But makes you think about who are the leaders left on defense apart from BG.  Simply being a veteran doesn't make you the leader.  Slay is no leader.  Reddick is fine but doesn't seem like the guy everyone would look to.  That might be part of the problem on defense.  There's no "dawg" like Dawkins in the back 7.  

Curious what BG wants to do with the team after he's done playing. Start a coaching career?

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Curious what BG wants to do with the team after he's done playing. Start a coaching career?

Hope so.

6 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I think BG will be back, maybe not Cox. But makes you think about who are the leaders left on defense apart from BG.  Simply being a veteran doesn't make you the leader.  Slay is no leader.  Reddick is fine but doesn't seem like the guy everyone would look to.  That might be part of the problem on defense.  There's no "dawg" like Dawkins in the back 7.  

Eagles really haven’t drafted anyone on defense that’s a leader and guys they brought in via trade or free agency arent. I not sure how many guys in free agency you can acquire and have that type of leadership quality. We did with jenkins. Feels like they need to find some of those qualities in guys they draft this year or in FA. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tobias is a star player in some universes lol 

Yeah, in his dad's

 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

As far as Howie goes, name a single GM that has a perfect track record when dealing with the draft, free agency and the salary cap.

I’ll wait.  
 

Exactly.  There are NONE. Howie isn’t perfect and has made mistakes.

 That said,  Howie is a top 5 NFL GM and would have a half a dozen job offers within hours of leaving this organization (if that ever happens). 

Name another GM that ignored the back 7 the way that he did last year leading to the worst defense in the league over the final 7 weeks of the season.  

False narrative on Howie.   Howie deserves criticism for his blind spots.   Howie does a lot of things right.  Howie ALSO does a lot of things wrong.  Howie gets all kinds of credit when he does good things.   But, he also always seems to have his defenders who will stand up against any criticism leveled at him for his failures.  

There is a current discussion going on regarding who deserves what blame for the way the season went from 10-1 to 11-7 and a first round embarrassment exit from the wild card round.   Well, I'll say this and leave it here... Howie's mismanagement of the back 7 of this defense is a major contributor to where we are now.  He's by no means the lone contributor.  But, the defense was hamstrung by a lack of talent all year.  The schemes weren't great, and they seemingly got worse, in part, because of the (highly predictable) injuries to the secondary (Slay is 32, and missed a number of games; Bradberry was 30, and missed a number of games; Maddox ALWAYS misses a number of games).  All decisions by Howie.  And then his band-aid mid-season moves - Roby off the street and Byard by trade was absolute whiffs.  Roby wouldn't even tackle Brock Purdy... Byard might still be standing at the 20 yard line as more people run right past him.  

Howie deserves criticism.  So do the players... so does Desai, Patricia, Johnson, Sirianni.  But, Howie needs to get in line and take his lumps too!

CJGJ wanted Detroit for two reasons:

1) They were on the rise and he was catching onto a team ready to compete, and

2) Goff is (comparatively speaking) getting paid peanuts.  And his deal with Detroit is up after next season.  Which means it's very likely that either Detroit wins it all and Goff gets paid, or Detroit goes and drafts a QB high and frees up a whole bunch of cap space to pay other people on the team, namely CJGJ if he balls out. 

He knew Hurts was getting his payday here and the money he wanted was not going to be here. 

Can't say I blame the guy but he didn't have to be such a D about it. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Cancel practice this week altogether? Congrats KC in advance.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Curious what BG wants to do with the team after he's done playing. Start a coaching career?

That's what he said. He wants one more year for a swan song then either get into coaching or a FO role with the team.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Curious what BG wants to do with the team after he's done playing. Start a coaching career?

 

Front office!

On 1/16/2024 at 11:14 AM, NOTW said:

BG for GM 

 

 

 

52 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Is Davis claiming to be a team leader?  Dude needs to get himself in shape first.

Round is a shape!

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Name another GM that ignored the back 7 the way that he did last year leading to the worst defense in the league over the final 7 weeks of the season.  

False narrative on Howie.   Howie deserves criticism for his blind spots.   Howie does a lot of things right.  Howie ALSO does a lot of things wrong.  Howie gets all kinds of credit when he does good things.   But, he also always seems to have his defenders who will stand up against any criticism leveled at him for his failures.  

There is a current discussion going on regarding who deserves what blame for the way the season went from 10-1 to 11-7 and a first round embarrassment exit from the wild card round.   Well, I'll say this and leave it here... Howie's mismanagement of the back 7 of this defense is a major contributor to where we are now.  He's by no means the lone contributor.  But, the defense was hamstrung by a lack of talent all year.  The schemes weren't great, and they seemingly got worse, in part, because of the (highly predictable) injuries to the secondary (Slay is 32, and missed a number of games; Bradberry was 30, and missed a number of games; Maddox ALWAYS misses a number of games).  All decisions by Howie.  And then his band-aid mid-season moves - Roby off the street and Byard by trade was absolute whiffs.  Roby wouldn't even tackle Brock Purdy... Byard might still be standing at the 20 yard line as more people run right past him.  

Howie deserves criticism.  So do the players... so does Desai, Patricia, Johnson, Sirianni.  But, Howie needs to get in line and take his lumps too!

Absolutely. I think Howie underestimated how good Edwards and White were last year and thought they were replaceable with Dean, Morrow and Cunningham. Didn't happen. He thought Maddox will stay healthy throughout the season which has nevr happened and even thought CJGJ was replaceable as well. Those were pathetic moves and he should be def blamed for those. Letting Hargrave go for more money was somewhat understandable with the draft capital invested in the DT but he could not have known that  Bradberry will fall off a cliff this season. So I don't think we can fault him for bringing him back. 

A few things:

It looks like the head coach is going to dodge a bullet and it's a major problem. Seriously, what does this guy even do? He creates the offensive game plan (which seems to consistently suck) and beyond that his job is to motivate the team and get them ready to play which he wasn't able to do for the last two months of the season including in a playoff game. I can't stress this enough, if their big plan is to get two big time coordinators to surround the head coach with than he isn't the guy.

Howie getting so much blame is laughable. Does he deserve some blame, sure. It's hilarious though to watch the revisionist history. Everyone was blowing Howie during the off-season, blowing him when he traded for Byard, and still blowing him up until the point that the team was 10-1. 90% of fans were on board with bringing back Slay and Bradberry at the time and yes it failed miserably. LB and S are and were problems and Howie deserves major blame for that. He still gave this coaching staff one of the most talented offenses in the league and a defense that should have at least been average. I do hope Howie learns from this season and puts more emphasis on the middle of the defense and looks to get a little bit younger but those calling for his job are clowns.

I love Cox and BG but time to move on. Cox was really good and BG is cheap but this team needs to move forward and get younger.

Lastly, not that I want to see people lose their jobs, but if pretty much the entire defensive staff and Brian Johnson aren't gone by tomorrow night and they aren't knee deep in finding the best possible replacements than this organization doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Going to be a long off-season.