20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

More or less. He said he feels he has a few more years in him.

Sweet.  He is invaluable.

3 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

Absolutely. I think Howie underestimated how good Edwards and White were last year and thought they were replaceable with Dean, Morrow and Cunningham. Didn't happen. He thought Maddox will stay healthy throughout the season which has nevr happened and even thought CJGJ was replaceable as well. Those were pathetic moves and he should be def blamed for those. Letting Hargrave go for more money was somewhat understandable with the draft capital invested in the DT but he could not have known that  Bradberry will fall off a cliff this season. So I don't think we can fault him for bringing him back. 

Don't forget, the Cunningham and Jack moves weren't done until training camp was already underway.   It would seem Howie thought that just Dean and Morrow would be enough... backed up by Elliss, et al.  

Howie absolutely deserves some blame. He's great at fleecing teams and he's a cap wizard, but that's about it. Most of his drafts are JAGs unless a blue chipper falls in his lap (Smith, Carter) and he doesn't know how to draft the back seven well in virtually any capacity. 

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

I can't stress this enough, if their big plan is to get two big time coordinators to surround the head coach with than he isn't the guy.

Bingo.  If you have to fire both coordinators, you have to fire the head coach.

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Name another GM that ignored the back 7 the way that he did last year leading to the worst defense in the league over the final 7 weeks of the season.  

False narrative on Howie.   Howie deserves criticism for his blind spots.   Howie does a lot of things right.  Howie ALSO does a lot of things wrong.  Howie gets all kinds of credit when he does good things.   But, he also always seems to have his defenders who will stand up against any criticism leveled at him for his failures.  

There is a current discussion going on regarding who deserves what blame for the way the season went from 10-1 to 11-7 and a first round embarrassment exit from the wild card round.   Well, I'll say this and leave it here... Howie's mismanagement of the back 7 of this defense is a major contributor to where we are now.  He's by no means the lone contributor.  But, the defense was hamstrung by a lack of talent all year.  The schemes weren't great, and they seemingly got worse, in part, because of the (highly predictable) injuries to the secondary (Slay is 32, and missed a number of games; Bradberry was 30, and missed a number of games; Maddox ALWAYS misses a number of games).  All decisions by Howie.  And then his band-aid mid-season moves - Roby off the street and Byard by trade was absolute whiffs.  Roby wouldn't even tackle Brock Purdy... Byard might still be standing at the 20 yard line as more people run right past him.  

Howie deserves criticism.  So do the players... so does Desai, Patricia, Johnson, Sirianni.  But, Howie needs to get in line and take his lumps too!

Your hatred of Howie is your weakness when analyzing NFL football, imo.  
 

Of course Howie shares some of the blame, he’s the GM. The back 7 has been a disaster this season so yes, he shares the blame.  
 

The rest of the team, on the other hand, severely underperformed.   The offense he put on the field was as good or better in terms of talent than the team that just went to the Super Bowl last season.  So does he deserve some blame for the back 7, sure.   But in terms of a GM doing his job vs the coaching staff & the players underperforming he’s probably among the lesser 50% to blame and it’s not really close, imo. 

Just now, Swoop said:

Howie absolutely deserves some blame. He's great at fleecing teams and he's a cap wizard, but that's about it. Most of his drafts are JAGs unless a blue chipper falls in his lap (Smith, Carter) and he doesn't know how to draft the back seven well in virtually any capacity. 

This. Eyes on him to suitably address shortcomings at LB and DB this offseason.

23 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

As far as Howie goes, name a single GM that has a perfect track record when dealing with the draft, free agency and the salary cap.

I’ll wait.  
 

Exactly.  There are NONE. Howie isn’t perfect and has made mistakes.

 That said,  Howie is a top 5 NFL GM and would have a half a dozen job offers (or more) within hours of leaving this organization (if that ever happens). 

Exactly

The hit rate on first round picks league wide is under 50%, and it’s much lower after that.

People have ridiculously unrealistic expectations. It would be like expecting a baseball player to bat .900 for his career.

1 hour ago, Eagz said:

Hargraves was always a goner, but Howie should have brought Edwards, White and possibly CJ back at a cost.

CJ over Bradbury, and one of Edwards or White would have been OK.

2 minutes ago, jmac+djaxallday said:

Bingo.  If you have to fire both coordinators, you have to fire the head coach.

If they fire both coordinators and bring back the head coach they are basically saying that they are more interested in having a head coach that they can control than have a good head coach. I keep asking this question to the Siri defenders and don't seem to get any type of answer. If the guy is an offensive coach who doesn't call plays and doesn't have anything to do with the defense what exactly is it that he brings to the table?

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Exactly

The hit rate on first round picks league wide is under 50%, and it’s much lower after that.

People have ridiculously unrealistic expectations. It would be like expecting a baseball player to bat .900 for his career.

His picks are largely JAGs unless a can't miss player drops to him.

1 hour ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Howie was dealt a pretty crappy hand.  It's hard to replace TJ Edwards, Kyzir White, Hargrave, and both safeties, but he did his best.  He's not a miracle worker.  

Howie isn’t a miracle worker, but outside of Carter falling in the draft, did he do even a passable job replacing any of them? He whiffed spectacularly. 

Nick is back for 2024.  Time will tell if Lurie made the right choice or not.  

6 minutes ago, TEW said:

Exactly

The hit rate on first round picks league wide is under 50%, and it’s much lower after that.

People have ridiculously unrealistic expectations. It would be like expecting a baseball player to bat .900 for his career.

Yep exactly.  I’ve posted draft success statistics ad naseaum around here but apparently most don’t pay attention or don’t want to.
 

 Close to 60% of all drafted players aren’t even in the league after 5 years.  That should tell most all they need to know. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Howie isn’t a miracle worker, but outside of Carter falling in the draft, did he do even a passable job replacing any of them? He whiffed spectacularly. 

He failed miserably at replacing the LB's and S's and there is no excuses there. The defense still should have been much better than it was though. Even the DL which had more than enough talent was a shell of itself from last season. It's not some coincidence that they wouldn't even use Derek Barnett and get goes to Houston with good coaches and he has been a nice piece for their DL rotation. Meanwhile Dessai felt the need to over use Sweat and Reddick to the point where they had no juice by week 12 and Patricia thought it would be a good idea to make the teams best pass rusher a coverage LB.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Nick is back for 2024.  Time will tell if Lurie made the right choice or not.  

I'm going on record right now as saying it will fail miserably and we just got Brandon Staley'd. 

 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Your hatred of Howie is your weakness when analyzing NFL football, imo.  
 

Of course Howie shares some of the blame, he’s the GM. The back 7 has been a disaster this season so yes, he shares the blame.  
 

The rest of the team, on the other hand, severely underperformed.   The offense he put on the field was as good or better in terms of talent than the team that just went to the Super Bowl last season.  So does he deserve some blame for the back 7, sure.   But in terms of a GM doing his job vs the coaching staff & the players underperforming he’s probably among the lesser 50% to blame and it’s not really close, imo. 

Hatred?  No.   Annoyance by his untouchable status.  He can't even be criticized anymore without the defenders coming out in droves.  

 

I listed off 6 different culpable parties (GM, HC, OC, DC1, DC2, players).  If each gets an equal part... 16+% goes to each... so Howie gets his part.   But, this part of the conversation started when someone said that Howie wasn't a 'miracle worker' claiming that Howie was dealt a bad hand.  That he had to replace 5 major pieces on the defense, completely ignoring that Howie is the one that sets the deck, that he is the one that determines when the contracts end, etc.  

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Wow.  Who knows what the heck was going on behind the scenes with that defense. 

Howie can be a good GM, and also have messed up the back 7. Both can be true.

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Nick is back for 2024.  Time will tell if Lurie made the right choice or not.  

Source?

2 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

I saw this posted somewhere, don't remember who or where, but I think it bears discussion...

Eagles have loaded up on Alabama and Georgia guys. Tough, physical guys who wanna win and have been coached hard for 3-4 years. They come to Philly and they have a mascot head coach and they barely practice. Easy to see how guys lost faith in him and the coaching staff.

I've been hammering on that a few times lately. You can't bring in winners who get coached up and then expect a guy like Sirianni to pull his shenanigans and expect them to respect him or want to be a part of his program.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Shame they don't have any non binary players if they struggled with two identities.

11 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Howie absolutely deserves some blame. He's great at fleecing teams and he's a cap wizard, but that's about it. Most of his drafts are JAGs unless a blue chipper falls in his lap (Smith, Carter) and he doesn't know how to draft the back seven well in virtually any capacity. 

And Smith and Carter were top 10 picks. Unless he's drafting O-Linemen, where he has Stoutland behind him, the rest of his picks are much more mediocre to bad. I expect a total shitshow now that his picks are going to be in the 20's each round, and he can't hit FA like he likes to do with Hurts having his 2nd contract.

Re: 2023

The FO can suck

The coaching can suck

The players can suck

 

These are not mutually exclusive - all three can be true.