44 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Kollman and the other dude seemed to have those 2 and possibly even Jordan Travis ahead of Penix.

Talked about numbers without pressure vs with pressure.  Stark contrast. 

Compared him to Goff.

Took a quick cursory look at McCarthy and Nix.  Quite surprisingly, I think McCarthy looks much better of the two as an NFL prospect.  I like the way McCarthy plants and throws, he’s got a strong arm, elusive in the pocket and mobile.

 Meanwhile, I think Nix has terrible footwork (almost Zach Wilson-bad) — most of his throws were back foot, tip-toe on the run, off-platform.  Really don’t like his mechanics at all.  He’s a spot-thrower, but very accurate at it.  I don’t see it translating to the NFL, though.

Those damn fair weather fans

 

38 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Took a quick cursory look at McCarthy and Nix.  Quite surprisingly, I think McCarthy looks much better of the two as an NFL prospect.  I like the way McCarthy plants and throws, he’s got a strong arm, elusive in the pocket and mobile.

 Meanwhile, I think Nix has terrible footwork (almost Zach Wilson-bad) — most of his throws were back foot, tip-toe on the run, off-platform.  Really don’t like his mechanics at all.  He’s a spot-thrower, but very accurate at it.  I don’t see it translating to the NFL, though.

The question with Mccarthy is arm strength. 

The guy they contrasted Penixs clean pocket vs.pressure numbers with was McCarthy and McCarthy was much better with pressure. 

 

I have no problem taking Penix if he is there in late round 2.

He has potential to be an elite pocket passer like a Joe Burrow. Arm strength and accuracy are there. 

He may be a veteran in the college game,  but he is still young in QB development because his career didn't take off till he got to Washington.  He wasn't a good passer at Indiana.

If anyone looks at his pressure numbers and his age I think it gives the wrong idea. I think the guy can still learn a lot. And his ascension has been rapid when you contrast his earlier years with his Washington years. 

And I think his talents fit the Moore offense perfectly (look how he airs it out with Herbert) and can be a steal within a year or 2 after some more development. 

52 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Took a quick cursory look at McCarthy and Nix.  Quite surprisingly, I think McCarthy looks much better of the two as an NFL prospect.  I like the way McCarthy plants and throws, he’s got a strong arm, elusive in the pocket and mobile.

 Meanwhile, I think Nix has terrible footwork (almost Zach Wilson-bad) — most of his throws were back foot, tip-toe on the run, off-platform.  Really don’t like his mechanics at all.  He’s a spot-thrower, but very accurate at it.  I don’t see it translating to the NFL, though.

They can fix his mechanics. He will be one of the better ones from this draft.

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

Penix with one of our two 2nd rounders would be a no-brainer.

Insurance for Hurts and a cheap backup.

As a backup for Hurts, yeah.  With one of our 2nd's?  Hell no.  There's way too much to clean up with him and I'm not sure what coach we currently have can do that. 

 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Yup, its shy loud mouth jerks like skip bayless have jobs.

No one in the media should try to emulate that jack wagon but sadly as you say that generates more clicks...☹️

It seems sports media is very revenue based anymore which, in tandem with the "be first, not right" mentality, has created a really crappy environment and it's less about actual journalism than it is writing about something that will get people to your site.

6 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Those damn fair weather fans

 

To be honest... the weather does look pretty "fair". 

7 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Penix with one of our two 2nd rounders would be a no-brainer.

Insurance for Hurts and a cheap backup.

He can't run, we'd have to call a completely different offense with him in.

I'd take Nix all day over Penix for our offense. I'm not sold on either in the second though.

37 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

To be honest... the weather does look pretty "fair". 

It does. I need to get to a ST game one of these days.

8 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Penix with one of our two 2nd rounders would be a no-brainer.

Insurance for Hurts and a cheap backup.

Be a horrible pick. 

got the see way too much of him at IU. He is the same guys but with a loaded roster and weak opponents. Major project to ever be a quality starter

8 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Penix with one of our two 2nd rounders would be a no-brainer.

Insurance for Hurts and a cheap backup.

The whole point of a good backup QB is reliability if the starter goes down. Penix's injury history means we'd also need a good 3rd QB.

10 minutes ago, RLC said:

The whole point of a good backup QB is reliability if the starter goes down. Penix's injury history means we'd also need a good 3rd QB.

Everyone is missing that Mckee is the obvious solution for next yr. Showed enough talent and you have a year into him and silly low cost

4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Everyone is missing that Mckee is the obvious solution for next yr. Showed enough talent and you have a year into him and silly low cost

Oh, McKee should be the backup. He looked good in pre-season. Had 2 full seasons in college. Went to Stanford, so you know he'll be fine with any playbook. Give him the job over paying any other QB 5M/Y.

I'd still like to draft another QB, but we're talking rounds 5-7, not 1-4. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

It does. I need to get to a ST game one of these days.

Yup.   That would be nice.   I think it will be a retirement thing for me though.   

8 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

They can fix his mechanics. He will be one of the better ones from this draft.

Maybe, maybe not. McCarthy had top-level coaching on QB mechanics his whole college career. The offensive system may not have showcased his ability, but the coaching was there and will translate to the next level. IMHO he's a much better bet.

9 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Those damn fair weather fans

 

Those are Yankees fans in their new red alternates this year

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Maybe, maybe not. McCarthy had top-level coaching on QB mechanics his whole college career. The offensive system may not have showcased his ability, but the coaching was there and will translate to the next level. IMHO he's a much better bet.

Higher floor but i have doubts about how high his ceiling is. He would do best in a quick throw scheme like McVay or Shanahan, i think. 

This is such a joke. I’m not the biggest Cam Newton fan, but he’s one of the few guys that consistently puts himself out there in the community and runs youth camps to try to give back. The fact someone tried to go after him is pathetic. 

Who knows on McKee? Dorian Thompson-Robinson looked awesome in the preseason and then was complete garbage once he had to play for Cleveland in the regular season.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Who knows on McKee? Dorian Thompson-Robinson looked awesome in the preseason and then was complete garbage once he had to play for Cleveland in the regular season.

I'd rather take my chancers on McKee and spend the 5mil more on a LB or S

58 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Those are Yankees fans in their new red alternates this year

🤔  Ultimate fair weather fans.

12 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I'd rather take my chancers on McKee and spend the 5mil more on a LB or S

That’s fine. It’s more about anyone in here having any kind of real confidence in McKee’s ability to be a fine backup based on what he showed in preseason. Maybe he looked great in practices throughout the regular season?

I loved what we saw from McKee in the pre-season. But the Eagles sign big name #2 QBs or draft them in the 2nd round.  Seldom have they just given that job to a 2nd year late round pick. 

I'd have no problem with McKee as the 2, but I know that's not how the Eagles conduct themselves.  It's not gonna happen.  Some move will be made for a backup. 

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I loved what we saw from McKee in the pre-season. But the Eagles sign big name #2 QBs or draft them in the 2nd round.  Seldom have they just given that job to a 2nd year late round pick. 

I'd have no problem with McKee as the 2, but I know that's not how the Eagles conduct themselves.  It's not gonna happen.  Some move will be made for a backup. 

The answer is obvious.

Trade Hurts for a hefty package. Use the extra money and picks to fix the defense and sign our guys to extensions. Start McKee and groom Penix for a year.

Let me give Howie a call for this totally realistic plan.

18 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Don't think he will be there on day 3

I'd be surprised if he isn't, he's bottom end of the top ten in pretty much all the QB prospect rankings, the gruesome injury that ended his 2023 is a big knock on his stock.

CBS, ESPN, FOX and Walter Football have him as a day 3 pick, the highest I've seen is late day 2.

I don't think there's that many teams that need a QB that someone will overdraft a guy of Travis' level especially after the stark warnings of the dangers of reaching for a QB offered in the last 5 years.