2 minutes ago, paco said:

In season trades he's terrible. I don't know why... only thing I can come up with is there is less time to plan and execute so they are more reactionary? 

No. Those failed in-season trades are the coaches’ fault. Howie doesn’t miss. 

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m don’t think he’s a bum or should lose that kind of decision making. I just think the excuse making is over the top. Andre Dillard was a failure of Howie and the scouting department due to awful process. Rasul never fit Schwartz’s scheme. Marcus Smith was a failure regardless of coaching staff (mental illness played a role). Sidney Jones was a bad risk. Barnett wasn’t worth the pick. Davion Taylor was a terrible pick no matter who the DC was. Nakobe hasn’t shown enough even when briefly healthy. Davis isn’t a bad player but he hasn’t proven to be worth the investment. 

I am not excusing Howie.  I don't think he's ever been the sole voice on setting the draft board.  He's not a scout. It's also not a buck stopping with Howie system.  That's part of the issue with accountability.  I think Howie feels like he can avoid getting the blame for bad decisions (Reagor over Jefferson) Of course it puts fans in this catch 22 of not being able to blame Howie fully for draft failures while acknowledging his value otherwise building a roster.  

3 minutes ago, paco said:

In season trades he's terrible. I don't know why... only thing I can come up with is there is less time to plan and execute so they are more reactionary? 

Yeah he is a panicky shortsighted spaz on those

5 minutes ago, paco said:

In season trades he's terrible. I don't know why... only thing I can come up with is there is less time to plan and execute so they are more reactionary? 

I'm pretty happy with SB52. 

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Yeah he is a panicky shortsighted spaz on those

I still remember people giving me s*** for objecting to trading a 3rd round pick for half a year rental.  "But they will get a 4th back, so you are only moving back in one round! It's genius!!!!" they said.

 

Problem with comp picks is, they are at the very end.  88 -> 145  was nearly a 2 round drop

1 hour ago, paco said:

This I can agree with.... I just don't want him picking the trade targets, especially in season.

 

While a 5th round pick isn't something to get excited about, I still love that he turned two 7ths last year into a 5th this year.  

I don't think he is necessarily.  I think he knows the market but the players are the players.  How many safeties were viable trade targets last season? 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

I'm pretty happy with SB52. 

Jay Ajayi is the lone exception (I was happy with that trade.  Without looking it was a 5th right? And it wasn't a 1 year rental)

 

I honestly can't think of another in season trade that has worked in our favor under Howies watch.

I think one of the areas the Eagles could correct is they like to keep some cap dollars spare for during the season so they can sign guys like Shaq Leonard or make deadline trades. I think they're better off just spending that money in March. Odds that you'll get a difference maker during the season are not great. And the Eagles usually spend it on guys who suck or who are washed up.

1 hour ago, paco said:

This I can agree with.... I just don't want him picking the trade targets, especially in season.

 

While a 5th round pick isn't something to get excited about, I still love that he turned two 7ths last year into a 5th this year.  

  

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think he is necessarily.  I think he knows the market but the players are the players.  How many safeties were viable trade targets last season? 

That's why I don't want him identifying the players.  Let the coaches make the recommendations to what they need, the coaches\scouts identify the player and then have Howie work the trade.

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I am not excusing Howie.  I don't think he's ever been the sole voice on setting the draft board.  He's not a scout. It's also not a buck stopping with Howie system.  That's part of the issue with accountability.  I think Howie feels like he can avoid getting the blame for bad decisions (Reagor over Jefferson) Of course it puts fans in this catch 22 of not being able to blame Howie fully for draft failures while acknowledging his value otherwise building a roster.  

He doesn’t always set the board (Joe D did while he was here) and he also doesn’t make picks based on the board (see Reagor over Jefferson, the JJAW vs Parris Campbell debate while on the clock), but in the end he picks the players, so the buck does stop with him. That’s the job. He can blame having an all-inclusive process, but he is the one turning in the card on draft night.

3 minutes ago, paco said:

Jay Ajayi is the lone exception (I was happy with that trade.  Without looking it was a 5th right? And it wasn't a 1 year rental)

 

I honestly can't think of another in season trade that has worked in our favor under Howies watch.

Also RB is a little easier to pickup mid season and plug and play.

Trading for someone in the secondary or WR can be tougher because they have to learn more in a short time.

16 hours ago, NCiggles said:

They have Maddox.

44.8   PFF

The only position on defense the Eagles have really low PFFs,  really bad players,  is Cornerback.

44.8 PFF for a player who actually gets paid money is really bad. 

The Eagles have a lot of players at CB in the 40s PFF.   CB is an urgent need on defense.

ILB - the Eagles have 3 players, some who might be gone,  with slightly above average PFFs.   VanSumeren was best,  with 69.5.  Then Morrow, with 68.1 35th / 82 LB.  Then Cunningham, with 67.6 36th / 82 LB.   That's 3 LBs,  slightly above average.  And Dean, below average,  but not terrible.  61.7.   So,  if the 60s are about average - the Eagles have a lot of average ILBs.   This isn't a problem and is not a need.

CBs -  the majority there are flat out bad or even terrible.  40s are terrible,  50s are bad.  I'll lump together the CBs with the Ss.   (The Ss have some good players with 70s,  like Blankenship).
 

Good - Cornerbacks and Safeties (70s and higher PFF)
All those are Safeties.

McCollum - 76.6
Blankenship - 73.4 19th / 95 S
Byard - 72.8 23rd / 95 S

Average - Cornerbacks and Safeties (60s PFF)

Slay - 66.0 55th / 127 CB
Ringo - 64.7
Evans - 63.1
Brown - 62.0 66th / 95 S

Bad / Terrible - Cornerbacks and Safeties   (50s and lower PFF)

Roby - 56.9 93rd / 127 CB
Bradberry - 54.4 100th / 127 CB
Garner - 51.1
Goodrich - 50.4
Ricks - 45.3 122nd / 127 CB
Maddox - 44.8
Jobe - 40.8

Average - Linebackers (60s PFF)

VanSumeren - 69.5
Morrow - 68.1  35th / 82 LB
Cunningham - 67.6 36th / 82 LB
Leonard - 62.8 53rd / 82 LB
Dean - 61.7

9 minutes ago, paco said:

Jay Ajayi is the lone exception (I was happy with that trade.  Without looking it was a 5th right? And it wasn't a 1 year rental)

 

I honestly can't think of another in season trade that has worked in our favor under Howies watch.

Trading away Joe Flacco 

Given what we paid for Kevin Byard, that was a good trade. We got what we paid for.

Worst in-season trade, by far, was Genard Avery.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Given what we paid for Kevin Byard, that was a good trade. We got what we paid for.

Worst in-season trade, by far, was Genard Avery.

No. Robert Quinn was by far the worst. 

Avery was a 4th round, two years from the time of trade. And had years left on his contract.

Quinn was a 4th in the next draft, did nothing at all, and was just a rental. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Trading away Joe Flacco 

Which became mid season trade Kary Vincent Jr.  

 

Even when he gets it right he finds a way to f it up  

What does everyone think of JJ McCarthy? Insiders are saying he'll go top 10. I never once watched him and thought first round QB. I think there is a sizable difference between Williams, Maye, Daniels and him. I think Penix Jr is better than him too. JJ McCarthy to me = Mac Jones. Was a productive stable QB for a great program, but watching Michigan he never stood out to me.

26 minutes ago, RLC said:

Given what we paid for Kevin Byard, that was a good trade. We got what we paid for.

Worst in-season trade, by far, was Genard Avery.

Robert Quinn is up there 

59 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Avonte Maddox was drafted in 2018 and has never played a full slate of games, McPhearson was drafted 3 years ago and has made one start that entire time.

Here's a list of all the defensive backs drafted by the Eagles since 2012

Brandon Boykin CB Rd 4 2012 no extension

Earl Wolff S Rd 5 2013 no extension

Jordan Poyer S Rd 7 2013 no extension

Jaylen Watkins S Rd 4 2014 no extension

Ed Reynolds S Rd 5 2014 no extension

Eric Rowe CB Rd 2 2015 no extension

JaCorey Shepherd CB Rd 6 2015 no extension

Randall Evans CB Rd 6 2015 no extension

Blake Countess S Rd 6 2016 no extension

Jalen Mills CB Rd 7 2016 1 year extension

Sydney Jones CB Rd 2 2017 no extension

Rasul Douglas CB Rd 3 2017 no extension

Avonte Maddox CB Rd 4 2018 3 year extension signed in 2021 (has played 13 games total first 2 seasons of it)

K'von Wallace S Rd 4 2020  No extension

Zech McPhearson CB Rd 4 2021 1 start at corner in 3 years

Jacoby Stevens S Rd 6 2021, Waived year 2

Sydney Brown S Rd 3 2023

Kelee Ringo CB Rd 4 2023

 

If that's successful drafting, what would failure look like, we've had better results with late round fliers than rounds 2 to 4. We can argue about talent recognition missing guys like Poyer when they cut him. but still the return on a boatload of picks in terms of regular starters is abysmal.

 

 

C'mon man, you're penalizing Howie for missing on a bunch of 6th and 7th round picks, when the hit rate for DBs in general is abysmal?  

If you dig into your numbers:

0 1st round picks

2 2nd round picks  (one of which was Eric Rowe, who was traded and won a ring that year with New England.  That's why he didn't get an extension ;-). )

2 3rd round picks (one of which has gotten an extension)

5 4th round picks

2 5th round picks

4 6th round picks

2 7th round picks

 

Conclusions:

- DBs have never been a priority.  2 of the 18 picks were in the 2nd round, and none in the first.  Howie prefers to trade for DBs (Slay, CGJ).  

- Those late round picks (6 of the 18 were in the last 2 rounds) were drafted to be special teams / practice squad players.  Anything else was a bonus.

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Dombro is reading that saying crap I should have improved the team that choked

Now that's what I call BEEF

Just now, EricAllenPick6 said:

C'mon man, you're penalizing Howie for missing on a bunch of 6th and 7th round picks, when the hit rate for DBs in general is abysmal?  

If you dig into your numbers:

0 1st round picks

2 2nd round picks  (one of which was Eric Rowe, who was traded and won a ring that year with New England.  That's why he didn't get an extension ;-). )

2 3rd round picks (one of which has gotten an extension)

5 4th round picks

2 5th round picks

4 6th round picks

2 7th round picks

 

Conclusions:

- DBs have never been a priority.  2 of the 18 picks were in the 2nd round, and none in the first.  Howie prefers to trade for DBs (Slay, CGJ).  

- Those late round picks (6 of the 18 were in the last 2 rounds) were drafted to be special teams / practice squad players.  Anything else was a bonus.

 

 

 

C'mon yourself, that's 17 draft picks and 2 made it past their rookie contract, 9 picks in Rounds 2 to 4 and the only one that lasted beyond his first contract is Maddox, the only other one to get any sort of extension was a one year emergency deal for Mills when we couldn't get anyone else, you could do better than that picking names out of a hat.

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Dombro is reading that saying crap I should have improved the team that choked

If Blake Snell or Jordan Montgomery takes a similar structure deal that Bellinger got then I think they’re gonna be in on one of those two guys. However, I don’t think Montgomery wants to. I think Blake would based off some of the reports, but he really wants to stay in California. He wants to go to the Angels based off reports. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

Wish Vincent would come here to be our president of football ops