23 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

What does everyone think of JJ McCarthy? Insiders are saying he'll go top 10. I never once watched him and thought first round QB. I think there is a sizable difference between Williams, Maye, Daniels and him. I think Penix Jr is better than him too. JJ McCarthy to me = Mac Jones. Was a productive stable QB for a great program, but watching Michigan he never stood out to me.

What an odd comp.  McCarthy is about a million times more agile and athletic than Mac Jones, has a better arm IMO, and never spent much time throwing to Waddle, Smith, Jerry Jeudy, etc.  The best WR McCarthy has been throwing to is Roman Wilson, who definitely won't sniff the first round as a prospect.  That's not to say McCarthy is a can't-miss prospect -- he's a bit slender and could be the next Desmond Ridder.  Mac Jones was clearly over-drafted because of the Alabama lineage and who his targets were.  I don't think that will be McCarthy's problem.

He should go top 10, on the basis that none of CHI, WAS, or NE should be trading out of the top 3 QBs and all need QB desperately.  McCarthy should be the 4th QB off the board.  If I were an NFL GM, I would rank them:

Daniels, Williams, Maye, McCarthy, Penix

First they get rid of the old school scoreboard in RF, now this.

 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

And then there’s Reagor…

Meh.  Montae wasn't exactly a stud.  And he played a completely different position.   Should have made us all wary...   More importantly, there were MUCH MUCH better options on the board at the time, but the team was locked in on needing 'speed' above all else.   Ironically, Reagor's 'speed' was also vastly overrated.

 

41 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

+ Reagor (and DK Metcalf).  There is some misperception out there that drafting Reagor over Jefferson is exhibit 1a of overemphasizing the combine.  It's actually exhibit 1a of ignoring it.  Pre-combine, Ruggs was 1a and Reagor was 1b in the list of top WR burner/deep threat prospects in the 2020 draft.  Reagor looked pretty fast on tape too.  Jefferson was, far and away, the most productive and dynamic WR in college football...but the knock was that the elite deep speed wasn't there.  The Eagles craved speed that year (as they should have; they previously constructed the NFL's slowest offense).  Reagor had a terrible combine, highlighted by a 4.47 and abysmal agility drills.  Jefferson went on run a faster 40 in Indy.  In pads, in the pros...that combine was prophetic for Reagor, who is pretty sluggish.  If they put more stock in the combine in 2019 and 2020, they'd have drafted DK Metcalf and Justin Jefferson instead of JJAW and Reagor.

+ Jeremy Maclin.  Was supposed to be Desean 2.0 combing out of college (just bigger, taller, longer).  He really surprised with a 4.48 and slow split in Indy.  He had a really nice pro career, but that combine 40 was also prophetic.  He wasn't that kind of burner and the objective workouts foreshadowed that.

- Jordan Davis.  I get it that his book isn't finished.  But he has been in the NFL for half of his non-option rookie contract already.  6'6" 341, 4.78, 32" vert.  The numbers were silly, no precedent for that.  Does that result in a DL that is just unblockable and unstoppable?  Those numbers ARE the reason we traded up for him in round 1.  Not his tape, not his production.  Those numbers. And that question has been answered: No.  Jordan Davis is not and likely will not be an unstoppable wrecking ball.  His upside is elite run stopper who occasionally collapses the pocket.  His present is run stopper who occasionally collapses the pocket and struggles to sustain a quality level of play with starter snaps. 

I agree with you on Reagor.  It's a good example of being rigid in defining a player as well.  I disagree on Metcalf over JJAW.  I think the bigger issue with Metcalf was his health.  My guess is they were being overly cautious based on the Sidney Jones pick.  If we are faulting Howie, it's that he does not have enough sway and knowledge to avoid these mistakes.  I think it gets to his limitations on player evaluation.  

Jordan Davis was objectively the right pick at the time. It wasn't an over reliance on the combo.  The combo confirmed his play at Georgia.  

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

George Karlaftis was 13th and 23rd. 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Meh.  Montae wasn't exactly a stud.  And he played a completely different position.   Should have made us all wary...   More importantly, there were MUCH MUCH better options on the board at the time, but the team was locked in on needing 'speed' above all else.   Ironically, Reagor's 'speed' was also vastly overrated.

Was there though? Brandon Aiyuk, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman Jr.

Meh 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Was there though? Brandon Aiyuk, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman Jr.

Meh 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I think the Eagles might be better off if the tush push got banned.  Go ahead, bash me.

Nah... I'm right there with you.   The Eagles thought they had found a cheat code.  But, what they found was a way to self-limit their offense so that their goal was to get in position to run the Push, rather than anything else.   It's one of the main reasons I think their 3rd down conversions were down, and their red zone offense was bad.   I can't remember many passes into the end zone from the red zone... most were thrown short and run in, if they went for a TD.

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

George Karlaftis was 13th and 23rd. 

Completely different style of player. I think Nolan Smith might be a better comp — short arms, short wingspan, small hands, but an explosive athlete. Chop weighs more though. 

16 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

What an odd comp.  McCarthy is about a million times more agile and athletic than Mac Jones, has a better arm IMO, and never spent much time throwing to Waddle, Smith, Jerry Jeudy, etc.  The best WR McCarthy has been throwing to is Roman Wilson, who definitely won't sniff the first round as a prospect.  That's not to say McCarthy is a can't-miss prospect -- he's a bit slender and could be the next Desmond Ridder.  Mac Jones was clearly over-drafted because of the Alabama lineage and who his targets were.  I don't think that will be McCarthy's problem.

He should go top 10, on the basis that none of CHI, WAS, or NE should be trading out of the top 3 QBs and all need QB desperately.  McCarthy should be the 4th QB off the board.  If I were an NFL GM, I would rank them:

Daniels, Williams, Maye, McCarthy, Penix

Not comparing their profiles. Just when I watched Alabama and Michigan play, the QBs never stood out to me. Honestly, when I watched McCarthy throughout the season, I never thought it was a guarantee I was watching a guy who'd even be drafted. He just looked like a run of the mill college QB to me.

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Avonte Maddox was drafted in 2018 and has never played a full slate of games, McPhearson was drafted 3 years ago and has made one start that entire time.

Here's a list of all the defensive backs drafted by the Eagles since 2012

Brandon Boykin CB Rd 4 2012 no extension

Earl Wolff S Rd 5 2013 no extension

Jordan Poyer S Rd 7 2013 no extension

Jaylen Watkins S Rd 4 2014 no extension

Ed Reynolds S Rd 5 2014 no extension

Eric Rowe CB Rd 2 2015 no extension

JaCorey Shepherd CB Rd 6 2015 no extension

Randall Evans CB Rd 6 2015 no extension

Blake Countess S Rd 6 2016 no extension

Jalen Mills CB Rd 7 2016 1 year extension

Sydney Jones CB Rd 2 2017 no extension

Rasul Douglas CB Rd 3 2017 no extension

Avonte Maddox CB Rd 4 2018 3 year extension signed in 2021 (has played 13 games total first 2 seasons of it)

K'von Wallace S Rd 4 2020  No extension

Zech McPhearson CB Rd 4 2021 1 start at corner in 3 years

Jacoby Stevens S Rd 6 2021, Waived year 2

Sydney Brown S Rd 3 2023

Kelee Ringo CB Rd 4 2023

 

If that's successful drafting, what would failure look like, we've had better results with late round fliers than rounds 2 to 4. We can argue about talent recognition missing guys like Poyer when they cut him. but still the return on a boatload of picks in terms of regular starters is abysmal.

 

 

at least half of that list has had a career in the NFL. Not all of those guys found that success with Philly, but were correctly identified as NFL players. 

26 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Ouch.

Curious about Austin Booker. He looks like he has alien arms. 

19 minutes ago, paco said:

47 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

24 is also divisible by 8... as is 80 and 08.    BRILLIANT!!!

28 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Was there though? Brandon Aiyuk, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman Jr.

Meh 

Why do you try to hurt me?  

Saying this before the draft is hilarious to me lol

38 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Turner with the 6'11" wingspan 

45 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Not a 1st rounder.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Was there though? Brandon Aiyuk, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman Jr.

Meh 

 

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Saying this before the draft is hilarious to me lol

AJ Brown's number 1 target. 

7 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Turner with the 6'11" wingspan 

Guy can probably tie his shoes without bending over.

7 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Turner with the 6'11" wingspan 

Yeah, but he’s no Eagles great paul Turner.

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

What does everyone think of JJ McCarthy? Insiders are saying he'll go top 10. I never once watched him and thought first round QB. I think there is a sizable difference between Williams, Maye, Daniels and him. I think Penix Jr is better than him too. JJ McCarthy to me = Mac Jones. Was a productive stable QB for a great program, but watching Michigan he never stood out to me.

Penix played an NFL style defense vs Michigan with top level WRs and was lost. 

I think JJ is a really good QB. I love his ability to step up in the pocket and not immediately run. He is an underrated athlete as well 

And people wanted to be critical of him not throwing the ball are off base. 

 

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

44.8   PFF

The only position on defense the Eagles have really low PFFs,  really bad players,  is Cornerback.

44.8 PFF for a player who actually gets paid money is really bad. 

The Eagles have a lot of players at CB in the 40s PFF.   CB is an urgent need on defense.

ILB - the Eagles have 3 players, some who might be gone,  with slightly above average PFFs.   VanSumeren was best,  with 69.5.  Then Morrow, with 68.1 35th / 82 LB.  Then Cunningham, with 67.6 36th / 82 LB.   That's 3 LBs,  slightly above average.  And Dean, below average,  but not terrible.  61.7.   So,  if the 60s are about average - the Eagles have a lot of average ILBs.   This isn't a problem and is not a need.

CBs -  the majority there are flat out bad or even terrible.  40s are terrible,  50s are bad.  I'll lump together the CBs with the Ss.   (The Ss have some good players with 70s,  like Blankenship).
 

Good - Cornerbacks and Safeties (70s and higher PFF)
All those are Safeties.

McCollum - 76.6
Blankenship - 73.4 19th / 95 S
Byard - 72.8 23rd / 95 S

Average - Cornerbacks and Safeties (60s PFF)

Slay - 66.0 55th / 127 CB
Ringo - 64.7
Evans - 63.1
Brown - 62.0 66th / 95 S

Bad / Terrible - Cornerbacks and Safeties   (50s and lower PFF)

Roby - 56.9 93rd / 127 CB
Bradberry - 54.4 100th / 127 CB
Garner - 51.1
Goodrich - 50.4
Ricks - 45.3 122nd / 127 CB
Maddox - 44.8
Jobe - 40.8

Average - Linebackers (60s PFF)

VanSumeren - 69.5
Morrow - 68.1  35th / 82 LB
Cunningham - 67.6 36th / 82 LB
Leonard - 62.8 53rd / 82 LB
Dean - 61.7

Maddox's NCF grade is 89.8 or basically an A-.  

56 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

First they get rid of the old school scoreboard in RF, now this.

 

I only go to minor league baseball games.