9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

That wasn't my point. Every team has a big, long list of draft failures. I was pointing out that we went into the preseason in a pretty good state at nickel. McPhearson may have only had 1 start  to date but he was groomed as the 1st backup on the outside his first two seasons. He was set to start opposite Slay each of those years until we signed S. Nelson (2021) and Bradberry (2022). Last year, after extending Bradberry and Slay, they moved McPhearson to nickel where the starter had struggled to stay healthy. It was reasonable to expect Maddox to miss a few games, but losing him early in game 2 was sooner than we would predict based solely on averages. The preseason injury to McPhearson compounded the depth problem. My point is that in that particular position / role, drafting wasn't the issue.

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you on that one.    They had NAMES, not players at the position.   That's not the same thing.

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Mattison/Gainwell would be so underwhelming 

Yep.  Swift, Mattison would be fine with me. 

Mattison, Gainwell is what we will get. 

Mattison is better served as a COP back. Cannot serve as a lead or feature back. 

45 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yep.  Swift, Mattison would be fine with me. 

Mattison, Gainwell is what we will get. 

Would that be Howie's fault?

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Would that be Howie's fault?

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Would that be Howie's fault?

it seems so. Although Sanders was a nice player he was taken too early in a draft with good mid-round values at the position.

Other than Sanders, as I have said before this team really seems to suck at evaluating RBs. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Where have you been?   The only true measure of a player is his RAS score.    Well, that and a QB's 40 time.

And there is the hand size for QBs; Cody Pickett & Joe Burrow won't be a good QB because of small hands.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

it seems so. Although Sanders was a nice player he was taken too early in a draft with good mid-round values at the position.

Other than Sanders, as I have said before this team really seems to suck at evaluating RBs. 

😲

Ideally for me, I think you can have a a relatively cheap, very explosive, consistent, high YPC 1-2 punch of Swift and Sanders this year, and draft a short yardage back in the later rounds of this draft. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

😲

Miles Sanders may have been a Joe Douglas pick. Douglas was here till 2019. Sanders drafted in 2019. Not sure if that draft happened within Douglas's time here. 

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Would that be Howie's fault?

I'd be content with it. I like Swift so happy with that, not high on Mattison any longer. I would rather use a draft pick on a back or if you want to double dip in FA gimme Donta Foreman instead of Mattison, cheaper too. I like Lloyd in the draft quite a bit, I'd think he's there early 3rd round. He'd be the Gainwell replacement as he's going to be a FA next year. Howie's just gotta stay ahead stay of the curve. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Miles Sanders may have been a Joe Douglas pick. Douglas was here till 2019. Sanders drafted in 2019. Not sure if that draft happened within Douglas's time here. 

Not sure how Miles Sanders or Joe Douglas factor in to the decision on who should be the roster at RB in 2024.  

20 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Would that be Howie's fault?

Swift will want too much and he isn't a #1 so I think he is gone.  The only two FA RB I would want are Barkley or Jacobs.  All the rest are #2-3 in a room.  As for the draft, don't know enough about the RBs to have an opinion.   I am resigned to an underwhelming RB group as the needs on defense and a 3rd WR are much more important.

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not sure how Miles Sanders or Joe Douglas factor in to the decision on who should be the roster at RB in 2024.  

Thats not really the discussion you were having when you asked me about Howie. Stay on topic if you want to stay on topic.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Stay on topic if you want to stay on topic.

Just now, paco said:

precisely my reaction when asked a tangential question, provide a response and the questioner is upset about the off topic tangent he created.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you on that one.    They had NAMES, not players at the position.   That's not the same thing.

I'm going to have to ask you to elaborate. 

My claim is that the Eagles went into preseason with two healthy players at nickel that both ended up lost for all or most of the season by week two. Both players were lost well after the initial free agency period where good FAs are available as well as the 2023 draft. Due to injuries they went from set at the position to a season long patchwork. Even the guy they brought in (Roby) got hurt for a substantial period of time. 

Maddox > McPhearspn > Roby > Goodrich

I was just looking at the history and Miles Sanders is our only good RB pick in the last 15 years. Going back to McCoy in 2009.

After McCoy the picks were

Charles Scott 2010

Dion Lewis 2011

Bryce Brown 2012

Wendell Smallwood 2016

Donnell Pumphrey 2017

Miles Sanders 2019

Kenny Gainwell 2021

 

Absolutely horrible. Save for the 1 possible Joe Doulas pick. I guess he did one good thing here. Its unbelievable how bad this team is at evaluating RBs.

 

 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I was just looking at the history and Miles Sanders is our only good RB pick in the last 15 years. Going back to McCoy in 2009.

After McCoy the picks were

Charles Scott 2010

Dion Lewis 2011

Bryce Brown 2012

Wendell Smallwood 2016

Donnell Pumphrey 2017

Miles Sanders 2019

Kenny Gainwell 2021

 

Absolutely horrible. Save for the 1 possible Joe Doulas pick. I guess he did one good thing here. Its unbelievable how bad this team is at evaluating RBs.

 

 

I'd question whether it's an evaluation issue.  I think it is a value issue. Eagles just don't value the position and I suspect they spend their evaluation dollars and time on other positions,  right or wrong.  In the two draft years when they valued RB enough to use a 2nd round pick they chose well with McCoy and Sanders.

Just now, Freshmilk said:

I'd question whether it's an evaluation issue.  I think it is a value issue. Eagles just don't value the position and I suspect they spend their evaluation dollars and time on other positions,  right or wrong.  In the two draft years when they valued RB enough to use a 2nd round pick they chose well with McCoy and Sanders.

Its a pretty universally accepted opinion that it is "Easy" to find RBs, and you can get a starter in the mid-late rounds of the draft. So Im not sure if the resources argument holds much weight relative to the argument about this position specifically.

I think you can make that argument for pro bowl talents at RB. While you can get a later round guy in there, most commonly they seem to be 1st-2nd rounders.

But as far as finding a successful RB, they should have been able to do better than they have with those picks.

The last 3 really good backs they have had- McCoy, Sanders, Swift- are all 1-2 rounders. The eagles need to be better at hitting on the mid-late round RB picks. Its supposed to be easy.

12 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ok... I'll bite... what is an NCF?

 NCIggles focus

32 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I was just looking at the history and Miles Sanders is our only good RB pick in the last 15 years. Going back to McCoy in 2009.

After McCoy the picks were

Charles Scott 2010

Dion Lewis 2011

Bryce Brown 2012

Wendell Smallwood 2016

Donnell Pumphrey 2017

Miles Sanders 2019

Kenny Gainwell 2021

 

Absolutely horrible. Save for the 1 possible Joe Doulas pick. I guess he did one good thing here. Its unbelievable how bad this team is at evaluating RBs.

 

 

The Eagles also let Raheem Mostert slip between their fingers. 

32 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I was just looking at the history and Miles Sanders is our only good RB pick in the last 15 years. Going back to McCoy in 2009.

After McCoy the picks were

Charles Scott 2010

Dion Lewis 2011

Bryce Brown 2012

Wendell Smallwood 2016

Donnell Pumphrey 2017

Miles Sanders 2019

Kenny Gainwell 2021

 

Absolutely horrible. Save for the 1 possible Joe Doulas pick. I guess he did one good thing here. Its unbelievable how bad this team is at evaluating RBs.

 

 

There is a flippant response out there that the team under Howie have historically struggled to draft RBs, WRs, CB, S and LB - 50% of the overall positions.  Which could make you question how the GM retains such sway over the teams FAs and Draft.

Of course, other GMs struggle in other areas, but you can fairly say the over investment in the lines has created a bias to the detriment of the 53 man roster.

Just now, UK Eagle said:

There is a flippant response out there that the team under Howie have historically struggled to draft RBs, WRs, CB, S and LB - 50% of the overall positions.  Which could make you question how the GM retains such sway over the teams FAs and Draft.

Of course, other GMs struggle in other areas, but you can fairly say the over investment in the lines has created a bias to the detriment of the 53 man roster.

I think thats a catch-22. I think the over-investment in the lines has also helped the team stay successful while other positions are weak.

For example last year its very possible that is this team had better CB play, and worse OL play, its results could have been worse. And, we dont even want to imagine what worse DL play would have looked like when the defense was already so bad...

I say, thank god we had the OL and DL talent that we had. 

 

DeJean not working out at the combine or pro day. 

Confirmed his injury was a broken fibula. Had surgery. Recently got back to running full speed so wasnt able to train like he wanted to.

Will work out for teams some time in early April.

 

I understand. But that workout was going to be a fun one to watch.