Theo Johnson had a breakout week at the senior bowl after Penn State didnt use him much in the passing game. I see he followed it up with a really nice combine. 6'6'' 259 and the second fastest 40 time.4.57  33'' arms and a 39.5'' vertical.

Put him on our board. 

One of my sleepers, Tanner McLachlan ran a 4.61. Very nice.

12 hours ago, uncphillyfan said:

Sign CJGJ and Curl and call it a day

And draft Tyler Guyton in round two, safety is set. 

I really want Mitchell at 22, but he's just doing too well at the combine.

37 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Theo Johnson had a breakout week at the senior bowl after Penn State didnt use him much in the passing game. I see he followed it up with a really nice combine. 6'6'' 259 and the second fastest 40 time.4.57  33'' arms and a 39.5'' vertical.

Put him on our board. 

What round is he projected to go in

4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

What round is he projected to go in

Considering there were no 1st round TEs, and then it was Sanders as TE1, and probably Cade Stover TE2, Theo Johnson was probably a 3rd round TE at the earliest prior to his pre-draft process.

Maybe with his workout he is firmly in to round 2 now. He was by far superior athletically than the 2 ahead of him. Also the biggest of the 3. 

31 minutes ago, RLC said:

I really want Mitchell at 22, but he's just doing too well at the combine.

I really want Arnold or Mitchell. Going to have to trade up however and we don't have enough ammo to do so without sacrificing that 2nd rounder which I really don't want to do. 
That comp 3rd plus two of the 5th's may get you up a little but it's not moving the needle much. 

46 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Considering there were no 1st round TEs, and then it was Sanders as TE1, and probably Cade Stover TE2, Theo Johnson was probably a 3rd round TE at the earliest prior to his pre-draft process.

Maybe with his workout he is firmly in to round 2 now. He was by far superior athletically than the 2 ahead of him. Also the biggest of the 3. 

Brock Bowers?

14 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Id be disappointed to pass on guys like Curl and Elliott or even better, for Gardner-Johnson.

He is too small and doesnt hold up health-wise at safety. His INTs were more luck than skill, and in every other statistical category he was shown to be a lesser safety than Jalen Mills. Hes a very mediocre player who threw a temper tantrum after he over-valued himself, and trashed Philly on the way out. 

 

I'm so tired of hearing about this guy. If he could get signed to a 10 year deal by some other team so the fanbase will shut up about this overrated guy, I'd be overjoyed.

In the last 20 years, how many players have the eagles let walk and regretted it?  And don’t give me Dawk.  That’s more sentimentality.

In the last 20 years, how many players have the eagles extended with at least 1 full year left on their deal and regretted it?

For the sake of double checking myself, I am watching Edgerrin Cooper cut up of A&M vs Auburn last year to check all of his coverage snaps. Some people erroniously call him the best coverage LB in the draft, when in fact, he is not tested in coverage at all and is a complete projection in that aspect. Someone argued with me in IWTETG yesterday so I wanted to check myself.

So far I have seen him line up over a receiver a few times, but not have any coverage responsibility on the play. He ends up blitzing or cheating up to the line to play run.

Finally in the second quarter with 13:45 left on the clock he is in zone coverage. 1:28 in the video. He starts off very hesitantly, and does not drop deep enough in his zone. There is no one in front of him and he fails to get adequate depth because he looks hesitant. 

Very next play he buzzes over to the middle of the field and picks up a guy running a slant. The QB isnt looking there and throws to the sideline. Ok job there. Not asked to do anything difficult.

2:31 in the video, he pretty much stays in place sitting on a RB curl route out of the backfield. Hes not particularly close to the RB. Probably a completion if the QB throws there, but he doesnt.

2:38 literally stands prefectly in place through the entire play doing nothing.

Very next play, sitting in the middle of the field. Sits on a RB angle route. Again, not particularly close. Allows the completion, and then gets juked by the RB for a missed tackle. 1st down.

3:04. Lined up kind of in slot but safety has responsibility for slot WR. QB runs his direction, jukes him. Missed tackle.

4:28 he is over the slot, 2 yards off the LOS. Slides over a bit to cover that WR and immediatedly passes him off as soon as he hits 2 yards. Sticks on his 2 yard mark, and picks up the TE leaking out to the flat. Does his assignment well there, but is literally not asked to cover anything beyond 4 yards.

5:28 once again, slot area but not over the WR. Does not have responsibility for the WR. QB runs it, easily taken out of the play by a TE lead block. Ends on his back. 1st down.

6:07 very bad coverage play. He is in that slot area again. Has safety help behind him. But he again stands flat footed as the slot WR runs a quick out. Would be easy completion but ball is underthrown and WR cant bring it in.

6:25 finally manned up on a WR but its a run play. Does not have to do anything.

6:57 he has middle of the field responsibility in zone again. There are 2 receiving options running free to the right of him. He gets about 4 yards of depth. QB throws to the opposite side of the field. He was nowhere near positioned to defend a pass to the WRs up the seam. There were safeties, but he needs more depth to make it a difficult window to throw to. There was nothing in front of him to hold him short there.

7:05 picks up a RB out of the backfield and the just start playing patty cake. 

 

 

Hardly asked to do anything in coverage at all. Very, very simple stuff. And he doesnt even do that well.

Now whats interesting is, if you re-watch this video with an eye to his overall performance rather than just looking for pass coverage- he isnt good.

Most of his tackles come from lining up on or near the LOS and providing ghost pressure. Then he takes a step back and acts more as a spy on the QB, or RB coming out of the backfield.

Any time he is an off ball LB, he gets eaten up by blocks, or misses tackles. 

Seriously, throw out pre-conceived notions you got from looking at single play twitter highlights, and online draft websites jumping on his bandwagon. Watch it open minded as if you havent seen him or heard of him before. Youll come away feeling very different if you can be objective about it.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Brock Bowers?

oh yeah. 1 1st round TE. I completely forgot about him.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

For the sake of double checking myself, I am watching Edgerrin Cooper cut up of A&M vs Auburn last year to check all of his coverage snaps. 

So far I have seen him line up over a receiver a few times, but not have any coverage responsibility on the play. He ends up blitzing or cheating up to the line to play run.

Finally in the second quarter with 13:45 left on the clock he is in zone coverage. 1:28 in the video. He starts off very hesitantly, and does not drop deep enough in his zone. There is no one in front of him and he fails to get adequate depth because he looks hesitant. 

Very next play he buzzes over to the middle of the field and picks up a guy running a slant. The QB isnt looking there and throws to the sideline. Ok job there. Not asked to do anything difficult.

2:31 in the video, he pretty much stays in place sitting on a RB curl route out of the backfield. Hes not particularly close to the RB. Probably a completion if the QB throws there, but he doesnt.

2:38 literally stands prefectly in place through the entire play doing nothing.

Very next play, sitting in the middle of the field. Sits on a RB angle route. Again, not particularly close. Allows the completion, and then gets juked by the RB for a missed tackle. 1st down.

3:04. Lined up kind of in slot but safety has responsibility for slot WR. QB runs his direction, jukes him. Missed tackle.

4:28 he is over the slot, 2 yards off the LOS. Slides over a bit to cover that WR and immediatedly passes him off as soon as he hits 2 yards. Sticks on his 2 yard mark, and picks up the TE leaking out to the flat. Does his assignment well there, but is literally not asked to cover anything beyond 4 yards.

5:28 once again, slot area but not over the WR. Does not have responsibility for the WR. QB runs it, easily taken out of the play by a TE lead block. Ends on his back. 1st down.

6:07 very bad coverage play. He is in that slot area again. Has safety help behind him. But he again stands flat footed as the slot WR runs a quick out. Would be easy completion but ball is underthrown and WR cant bring it in.

6:25 finally manned up on a WR but its a run play. Does not have to do anything.

6:57 he has middle of the field responsibility in zone again. There are 2 receiving options running free to the right of him. He gets about 4 yards of depth. QB throws to the opposite side of the field. He was nowhere near positioned to defend a pass to the WRs up the seam. There were safeties, but he needs more depth to make it a difficult window to throw to. There was nothing in front of him to hold him short there.

7:05 picks up a RB out of the backfield and the just start playing patty cake. 

 

 

Hardly asked to do anything in coverage at all. Very, very simple stuff. And he doesnt even do that well.

Now whats interesting is, if you re-watch this video with an eye to his overall performance rather than just looking for pass coverage- he isnt good.

Most of his tackles come from lining up on or near the LOS and providing ghost pressure. Then he takes a step back and acts more as a spy on the QB, or RB coming out of the backfield.

Any time he is an off ball LB, he gets eaten up by blocks, or misses tackles. 

Seriously, throw out pre-conceived notions you got from looking at single play twitter highlights, and online draft websites jumping on his bandwagon. Watch it open minded as if you havent seen him or heard of him before. Youll come away feeling very different if you can be objective about it.

 

 

Good analysis. I think there are better cover LBs the Eagles should evaluate.

Cedric Gray is one of them I've been keying on of late.

Just now, Iggles25 said:

Good analysis. I think there are better cover LBs the Eagles should evaluate.

Cedric Gray is one of them I've been keying on of late.

Cooper definitely has all the tools to do it. But people talk about him having a great coverage grade (when I have seen the PFF guys agree with me that he doesnt to a lot), and want to call him a great cover LB.

He hasnt shown that at all. Not saying he cant. But its basically a non-existent part of his game right now.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Theo Johnson had a breakout week at the senior bowl after Penn State didnt use him much in the passing game. I see he followed it up with a really nice combine. 6'6'' 259 and the second fastest 40 time.4.57  33'' arms and a 39.5'' vertical.

Put him on our board. 

9.99 Ras

Ras Compare Theo Johnson and Dallas Goedert

I'd say yes to Theo Johnson.  I'll take any 9.99 ras player. 

The Eagles are missing a starting running back,  and one other starting skill position.  Theo Johnson could be the starting TE2.   (Legette could be the starting WR3).  Adding an additional potent weapon instead of Quez or whoever played that spot is worth spending on.  Ideally,  he isn't expensive.   Top ras TE is a thing to want.  I prefer who was a college running Qb before changing his position to "TE" or whatever it is.

mock draft database has him at 123 - 4th round.

 

4 hours ago, bpac55 said:

If they are counting on Brown right now, they are fools. He's not in the picture until he's healthy. 

Of course, but the overall point is Brown will start the season on PUP and be back on the field in October, possibly in uniform on Sundays by Week 5.  He was drafted at the top of the 3rd round, with the intention of being a long term contributor.  The Eagles are not bringing in 3 guys to play safety with Brown and Blankenship already accounting for two roster spots.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

 

Can’t believe he’s only 33; he seems closer to 40.  Still, he spends as much or more time in the infirmary than Avonte Maddox.  Not sure he’ll be as highly coveted as Rapoport thinks 

3 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

9.99 Ras

Ras Compare Theo Johnson and Dallas Goedert

I'd say yes to Theo Johnson.  I'll take any 9.99 ras player. 

The Eagles are missing a starting running back,  and one other starting skill position.  Theo Johnson could be the starting TE2.   (Legette could be the starting WR3).  Adding an additional potent weapon instead of Quez or whoever played that spot is worth spending on.  Ideally,  he isn't expensive.   Top ras TE is a thing to want.  I prefer who was a college running Qb before changing his position to "TE" or whatever it is.

mock draft database has him at 123 - 4th round.

I think you overrate RAS…but I will say one thing.  12 personnel as a base offense was a terrible failure for this team.

For a 12 personnel heavy offense to be truly successful in 2024, it would require one absolute freakbeast TE that can function seamlessly with the speed of a wr.  Otherwise it belongs as a situational package.

Solak said in his most recent episode with Sheil he thinks this TE draft class is terrible overall and of the OTs he's scouted so far, he's not a fan of Guyton, but loves everyone else. Thinks he's too upright. He loves Troy Fautanu.

22 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

In the last 20 years, how many players have the eagles let walk and regretted it?  And don’t give me Dawk.  That’s more sentimentality.

Trotter (pushing the edge of 20 years), Maclin, Jackson, McCoy, Evan Mathis, DRC, Kurt Coleman, Beau Allen, Hicks.

And of course, Eagles legend Frank Gore.

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

For the sake of double checking myself, I am watching Edgerrin Cooper cut up of A&M vs Auburn last year to check all of his coverage snaps. Some people erroniously call him the best coverage LB in the draft, when in fact, he is not tested in coverage at all and is a complete projection in that aspect. Someone argued with me in IWTETG yesterday so I wanted to check myself.

So far I have seen him line up over a receiver a few times, but not have any coverage responsibility on the play. He ends up blitzing or cheating up to the line to play run.

Finally in the second quarter with 13:45 left on the clock he is in zone coverage. 1:28 in the video. He starts off very hesitantly, and does not drop deep enough in his zone. There is no one in front of him and he fails to get adequate depth because he looks hesitant. 

Very next play he buzzes over to the middle of the field and picks up a guy running a slant. The QB isnt looking there and throws to the sideline. Ok job there. Not asked to do anything difficult.

2:31 in the video, he pretty much stays in place sitting on a RB curl route out of the backfield. Hes not particularly close to the RB. Probably a completion if the QB throws there, but he doesnt.

2:38 literally stands prefectly in place through the entire play doing nothing.

Very next play, sitting in the middle of the field. Sits on a RB angle route. Again, not particularly close. Allows the completion, and then gets juked by the RB for a missed tackle. 1st down.

3:04. Lined up kind of in slot but safety has responsibility for slot WR. QB runs his direction, jukes him. Missed tackle.

4:28 he is over the slot, 2 yards off the LOS. Slides over a bit to cover that WR and immediatedly passes him off as soon as he hits 2 yards. Sticks on his 2 yard mark, and picks up the TE leaking out to the flat. Does his assignment well there, but is literally not asked to cover anything beyond 4 yards.

5:28 once again, slot area but not over the WR. Does not have responsibility for the WR. QB runs it, easily taken out of the play by a TE lead block. Ends on his back. 1st down.

6:07 very bad coverage play. He is in that slot area again. Has safety help behind him. But he again stands flat footed as the slot WR runs a quick out. Would be easy completion but ball is underthrown and WR cant bring it in.

6:25 finally manned up on a WR but its a run play. Does not have to do anything.

6:57 he has middle of the field responsibility in zone again. There are 2 receiving options running free to the right of him. He gets about 4 yards of depth. QB throws to the opposite side of the field. He was nowhere near positioned to defend a pass to the WRs up the seam. There were safeties, but he needs more depth to make it a difficult window to throw to. There was nothing in front of him to hold him short there.

7:05 picks up a RB out of the backfield and the just start playing patty cake. 

 

 

Hardly asked to do anything in coverage at all. Very, very simple stuff. And he doesnt even do that well.

Now whats interesting is, if you re-watch this video with an eye to his overall performance rather than just looking for pass coverage- he isnt good.

Most of his tackles come from lining up on or near the LOS and providing ghost pressure. Then he takes a step back and acts more as a spy on the QB, or RB coming out of the backfield.

Any time he is an off ball LB, he gets eaten up by blocks, or misses tackles. 

Seriously, throw out pre-conceived notions you got from looking at single play twitter highlights, and online draft websites jumping on his bandwagon. Watch it open minded as if you havent seen him or heard of him before. Youll come away feeling very different if you can be objective about it.

 

 

I like Payton Wilson.  I'm pretty confident in Dean, VanSumeren + a vet who could be Cunningham or Morrow,  plus 1 who could be day 3.  If a ILB was to be brought in more expensively,  I'd be good with Payton.  Has the versatility stuff I like from High School,  lots of runs and catches.  6'4 233 4.43 - someone said on NFL Network that they thought he looked like a safety.  I'll take that.  Put the best 7 back there. 

https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=25077&p2=11472&pos=WR

Ras compare as WR  Wilson v Mike Evans.   Wilson is an inch shorter, 2 pounds heavier and .10 faster in the 40.

In theory,  he should be able to cover big WRs and TEs.

in 45 minutes or so,  a bunch of offense will be running.  I like Legette and Braelon

 

31 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

oh yeah. 1 1st round TE. I completely forgot about him.

He might as well be on the moon.

16 minutes ago, RLC said:

Trotter (pushing the edge of 20 years), Maclin, Jackson, McCoy, Evan Mathis, DRC, Kurt Coleman, Beau Allen, Hicks.

And of course, Eagles legend Frank Gore.

TJ Edwards. Dude would be one of the the top LBs in this free agent class and got 6.5m per season. In hindsight that was a big goof by the Eagles.

20 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Can’t be a first round pick with this profile. 

Arm length at CB still isn't talked about enough nationally. Would rather 32 inch arm and a 4.54 than 30 and a 4.48. Would gladly take him with one of the 2nds.