2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Thats not true.  I totally gave Sirianni credit for his first two seasons - especially last season’s Super Bowl run - that’s no easy accomplishment.

Something has been off this entire season and unfortunately when that happens it starts with the head coach. 

Of course it does. You don't think he should get a chance to get it right next year? 

7 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

People always want the quick fix. Sirianni earned 2024. You don't fire a HC with his resumé. Yes, of course, when the team was winning, it was all because of the players and coordinators and not Sirianni. When they're losing, it's Sirianni. He has a lot to get right next year, but he should be back for it.

What did he do with his resume during this historic collapse?  What did he do to fix this team?

hmmmm

 

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but I laid it out a couple weeks ago with Lurie and why he’s be hesitant to fire Nick, and how it would affect the coaching search. Again, I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but it becomes less attractive if a head coach got three years, made the playoffs all three years and got you to a Super Bowl and then you fired him even if that collapse warrants it. Now you can say that means nothing because they collapse at the end of this year I don’t disagree. And the fact that they didnt adjust to team’s blitzing and do something to correct the issues. I think lurie and Roseman took the view from afar and said it looks really bad to potential candidates if we fired a Super Bowl winning coach three years removed from winning our first Super Bowl victory and then fire another head coach one year removed from getting to a Super Bowl. I think those optics weighed a lot. 

But lurie believes optically if he fires a coach like that then other coaches that he wants right now are going to look at that job and be like well the first time we start the struggle are you just gonna fire me, go out and get somebody else?. I think lurie knows that is going to be discussed and how some will view the situation.  And those coaches might be more hesitant to come here, knowing that their job might be on the wine almost immediately when the Eagles have some struggles. I also point out some of the stuff that you see where things get leaked out kind of you to turn off to a lot of coaches that like to keep things in the house, and for some reason things keep getting aired out to the media.

do not get me wrong, I think how they played after that Cardinals game warranted firing everybody. And I like some of the coaches in this coaching cycle. 

4 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

You guys have very short memories. We were in the Super Bowl last year lol. And as bad as the the last two months were this year, they were 10-1 to start the year. It wasn't pretty, but it was still 10-1. 

Lol at that being used as an excuse 

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think saying a coach earned another year is the entirely wrong way of analyzing how a head coach evaluation should work. The only two questions that should matter are: is the coach good and bright enough to fix the problems and is there a coach out there who's an upgrade?

The utter display of incompetence displayed this season puts question #1 in serious doubt and question number 2 I think is a definitive yes.

This same logic doesn't apply to Bradberry though. Bradberry had a really good 2022 and a disaster of 2023 and you don't see anyone going "He's earned a chance to turn it around in 2024." This line of thinking usually only applies to coaches. I think that's because player failures are way more visually apparent and coaching is far more contextual. But Sirianni this season was just as bad as a coach as Bradberry was as a player.

This is very glass half empty. "He should be fired because of the last two months." By saying he earned 2024, I'm looking at what he's done in the second half of '21, the Super Bowl season in '22, and the first part of this season. I'm not keeping him because he put together some brownie points over the years. I'm keeping him because he's done far more good (even great) than he has bad.

The Bradberry comparison isn't good because he's just getting older and slower.

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

You guys have very short memories. We were in the Super Bowl last year lol. And as bad as the the last two months were this year, they were 10-1 to start the year. It wasn't pretty, but it was still 10-1. 

You have a short memory: Then he ended the season going 1-6. 

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

What did he do with his resume during this historic collapse?  What did he do to fix this team?

Nothing. I'm not trying to convince you that he's going to right the ship next year. I have doubts. I'm not going to fire him that quickly though.

If you're GJ Kinne. Is OC in the NFL better than HC at Texas State?

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If you want to feel pissed off or how you’ve felt every Sunday for 2 months can watch this 

 

OMG!! The music did it for me.. I wish Siri and BJ can see this.😂

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

You have a short memory: Then he ended the season going 1-6. 

mostly against bottom dwellers for competition

 

I don't recall ever seeing a HC keep his job who so clearly lost the locker room based on the effort on the field.  Will be fascinating to see how that plays out on the field next year.  Any sort of stumble out of the gate and slow start to the season will likely send next year into a total tailspin again.  

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

If you're GJ Kinne. Is OC in the NFL better than HC at Texas State?

This is where we are lol

But OC is a much better job 

QB1 lost the locker room. Look forward to him getting the f out of town when his contract allows so

Just now, Godfather said:

QB1 lost the locker room. Look forward to him getting the f out of town when his contract allows so

I give him one more year with the new OC. But he is certainly headed in the wrong direction. 

Sirianni stays because ultimately he’s powerless and Lurie and Roseman remain involved in football ops.  I suppose it’s fine if your head coach is spineless but you better have big personalities at coordinator.  

In my view, Lurie and Roseman should be taking a step back, bring in a coach that can manage the other coaches and players and let them run it.  

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

I give him one more year with the new OC. But he is certainly headed in the wrong direction. 

Him and his best friend got into a fight, Goedert chewed him out on the bench Monday while he sat there looking stupid, humble, and defeated. Dude regressed hard this season

5 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

OMG!! The music did it for me.. I wish Siri and BJ can see this.😂

Holy crap this is great 

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

This is very glass half full. "He should be fired because of the last two months." By saying he earned 2024, I'm looking at what he's done in the second half of '21, the Super Bowl season in '22, and the first part of this season. I'm not keeping him because he put together some brownie points over the years. I'm keeping him because he's done far more good (even great) than he has bad.

The Bradberry comparison isn't good because he's just getting older and slower.

I don't think 2021 was a good year. In fact, if anything it was an indictment on Sirianni, not a positive for him. The team sucked that season. Remember, they didn't beat a winning team all season and got obliterated whenever they played one and then got smoked in the playoffs. But their "turnaround" came when Sirianni relinquished control of the offense to Steichen. Then next season they take a monumental leap, which in hindsight now is looking like a lightning in a bottle anomaly season where everyone on both sides of the ball just played great. Plus you wonder how much of that was Steichen and Gannon given how 2023 turned when they left. And then this season Nick Sirianni had the worst coaching job I've personally ever seen. Considering the talent I have it worse than 2015 Chip and Rich Kotite years. It was unconscionable.

So you have 3 Sirianni seasons, I think 2 of them are knocks against him, and the other I'm not sure was even his responsibility in the first place. But I really don't care about the record, it means nothing to me. I care about how incompetent they looked. They were being openly mocked nationally by every analyst in the country during the game. Analysts who 99% of the time don't like to rag on coaches and usually make excuses for them. And it was that bad all season. Just high school football level incompetence coming from the staff and not a single change all season.

I have not seen one thing to give me the slightest bit of confidence that he can fix what's wrong if he hasn't been able to prepare the team to handle blitzes in 3 years. And had the entire offseason to devise a counter punch for the NFL figuring them out and came into the season with nothing new(and admitted he didn't change anything in an interview to McLane) and then during the season when it was apparent the league had them figured out, could come up with absolutely nothing to fix it. But somehow I'm to believe next season he will.

I'm sorry, I just can't believe it. I think he should be fired because he's a below average offensive coach and I'll take my chances that they don't come to regret it. Because in my lifetime they've never regretted firing a coach. Odds are they wouldn't with him either.

7 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Of course it does. You don't think he should get a chance to get it right next year? 

Honestly I think at this point we are dealing with conjecture. If the vast majority of the players truly want him back, I’m not sure what to say.  
 

But as a fan and from some of the analysis that has come out over the last several weeks - not really.  It just seems that he's in over his head, he hasn’t shown any sort of willingness or capacity to adjust his system and the worst part is that our $250 million QB went from a top 5 NFL QB to an average NFL QB in a span of 7-8 weeks.  Scary stuff and I’m not sure he’s the guy that can turn it around, tbh. 

2 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Him and his best friend got into a fight, Goedert chewed him out on the bench Monday while he sat there looking stupid, humble, and defeated. Dude regressed hard this season

yep

Frank Reich for OC? 🤣

20 minutes ago, judunno said:

I'm talking more so the downfield route concepts with the big play hunting philosophy.

That I'll buy. Lurie is clearly obsessed with having a high flying offense, but that doesn't make sense for the lack of middle of the field plays (short medium and long) and the obsession with WR screens

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't think 2021 was a good year. In fact, if anything it was an indictment on Sirianni, not a positive for him. The team sucked that season. Remember, they didn't beat a winning team all season and got obliterated whenever they played one and then got smoked in the playoffs. But their "turnaround" came when Sirianni relinquished control of the offense to Steichen. Then next season they take a monumental leap, which in hindsight now is looking like a lightning in a bottle anomaly season where everyone on both sides of the ball just played great. Plus you wonder how much of that was Steichen and Gannon given how 2023 turned when they left. And then this season Nick Sirianni had the worst coaching job I've personally ever seen. Considering the talent I have it worse than 2015 Chip and Rich Kotite years. It was unconscionable.

So you have 3 Sirianni seasons, I think 2 of them are knocks against him, and the other I'm not sure was even his responsibility in the first place. But I really don't care about the record, it means nothing to me. I care about how incompetent they looked. They were being openly mocked nationally by every analyst in the country during the game. Analysts who 99% of the time don't like to rag on coaches and usually make excuses for them. And it was that bad all season. Just high school football level incompetence coming from the staff and not a single change all season.

I have not seen one thing to give me the slightest bit of confidence that he can fix what's wrong if he hasn't been able to prepare the team to handle blitzes in 3 years. And had the entire offseason to devise a counter punch for the NFL figuring them out and came into the season with nothing new(and admitted he didn't change anything in an interview to McLane) and then during the season when it was apparent the league had them figured out, could come up with absolutely nothing to fix it. But somehow I'm to believe next season he will.

I'm sorry, I just can't believe it. I think he should be fired because he's a below average offensive coach and I'll take my chances that they don't come to regret it. Because in my lifetime they've never regretted firing a coach. Odds are they wouldn't with him either.

All good points. Maybe I'm too patient.