10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

How is that your take?  Steen was a rookie that played limited snaps.  He was a 3rd round pick.  He didn't play terribly.  He could very well end up starting and play well.  The Eagles have no depth behind their starters.  Driscoll and Opeta are free agents.  Even if Kelce wasn't retiring they needed to add depth at O-line.   Adding depth in a draft where o-line is the deepest position is smart.  

I don’t think you spend a second round pick (Beebe) for depth. It would be plainly obvious that it is because they aren’t happy with what they’ve seen from Steen at guard. 

35 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

They didn’t draft Dickerson to replace Kelce. 

They drafted him as a potential G or C, it was known he could play either. But everyone was talking about him as a replacement for Kelce.

 

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

They didn’t draft Dickerson to replace Kelce. 

I agree that he wasn't seen as a direct replacement but I do think they wanted him because he played C and could be a potential replacement.  

Just now, NOTW said:

They drafted him as a potential G or C, it was known he could play either. But everyone was talking about him as a replacement for Kelce.

 

Lol. Not a single one of those links were correct. He doesn’t fit this offense as a center. That’s why we drafted a small, super athletic center like Jurgens. 

Just now, NCiggles said:

I agree that he wasn't seen as a direct replacement but I do think they wanted him because he played C and could be a potential replacement.  

I think they theoretically liked his versatility, but nothing about him suggests he’d be a center here unless we completely changed the offense. He was always expected to be a guard. 

 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t think you spend a second round pick (Beebe) for depth. It would be plainly obvious that it is because they aren’t happy with what they’ve seen from Steen at guard. 

Drafting the BPA at a valuable position is always a good strategy.  I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with their opinion on Steen.  If they view Beebe as a starting OG with all-pro potential and they can get him with a 2nd round pick, then that is the totality of the decision.  The reality is Steen is unproven.  To say that they misevaluated him and made a mistake isn't consistent with how he played and their likely expectations of him.  They may view him as a better potential replacement for Lane.  

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think they theoretically liked his versatility, but nothing about him suggests he’d be a center here unless we completely changed the offense. He was always expected to be a guard. 

They wouldn't need to completely change the offense for him.  He's a big guy that can move.  

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t think you spend a second round pick (Beebe) for depth. It would be plainly obvious that it is because they aren’t happy with what they’ve seen from Steen at guard. 

To be fair to Steen he was a college LT making a transition to RG on a "win now" team that didn't have the patience to see him through growing pains. Given a summer in Stoutland U, I think he could be much better in that role this fall.

Dickinson could be a fine center, but it would be a different OL scheme, one built more on power and less on 2nd level blocking. And you'd trade Jurgens, unless you want to make him into a Mathis type LG, but Stoutland, not Mudd, is the OL coach.

I think it'll be Mailata - Dickinson - Jurgens - Steen - Lane, I'll bet they resign Driscoll and maybe Opeta, draft an OL in the 2nd or 3rd rd and "red shirt" him.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

They wouldn't need to completely change the offense for him.  He's a big guy that can move.  

Yeah, he’s not moving like Kelce or Jurgens. Not even close. 

I do hope the Eagles take a guard on day two though. I want to keep this line as strong as possible and I want to build a young OL that can stay good together. I like a lot of interior linemen in this draft. I hope they come out of their first 4 picks with OT, OG, CB, LB.

I don't expect the Eagles to sign a guard in free agency, at least not a pricey one, but Scherff is pretty good, not sure how much he'd cost.

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Drafting the BPA at a valuable position is always a good strategy.  I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with their opinion on Steen.  If they view Beebe as a starting OG with all-pro potential and they can get him with a 2nd round pick, then that is the totality of the decision.  The reality is Steen is unproven.  To say that they misevaluated him and made a mistake isn't consistent with how he played and their likely expectations of him.  They may view him as a better potential replacement for Lane.  

If the Eagles were high on Steen at RG and happy with what they saw, I don’t believe for one second that Howie would entertain drafting a guard in round 2. He has three years left on a cheap rookie deal with Dickerson about to get paid. The economics wouldn’t make sense. 

First pick will be OL 

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

To be fair to Steen he was a college LT making a transition to RG on a "win now" team that didn't have the patience to see him through growing pains. Given a summer in Stoutland U, I think he could be much better in that role this fall.

I don’t disagree. But if they draft a round 2 guard, he’s probably playing RT. 

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

Man, I would love Jordyn Brooks. I don't care if we go cheap on other spots. He brings a physicality we don't have.

You think? I don't see it. Our middle zone coverage was execrable last year. Coverage is so not his game.

IMO, the most interesting thing about Kelce hasn't really been mentioned amongst all this hoopla.  He's the biggest superstar in the history of offensive linemen.  Larry Allen, Anthony Munoz, Ogden.  No offense to Kelce...they were more dominant, more valuable.  But none achieved even a fraction of his late career stardom.  He's arguably the biggest and first/only superstar OL in NFL history.  

We all know OL is important and they can be superstars within the game, but that star never shines outside the stadium.  That is reserved for QBs, WRs, (RBs in a prior generation), and transcendent perennial defensive players of the year.

2 minutes ago, just relax said:

You think? I don't see it. Our middle zone coverage was execrable last year. Coverage is so not his game.

I read that he was asked to do really hard coverage assignments in Seattle, tougher than what most LBs are tasked with. 

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't expect the Eagles to sign a guard in free agency, at least not a pricey one, but Scherff is pretty good, not sure how much he'd cost.

Not pretty good but very good. However,, he's 32.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

IMO, the most interesting thing about Kelce hasn't really been mentioned amongst all this hoopla.  He's the biggest superstar in the history of offensive linemen.  Larry Allen, Anthony Munoz, Ogden.  No offense to Kelce...they were more dominant, more valuable.  But none achieved even a fraction of his late career stardom.  He's arguably the biggest and first/only superstar OL in NFL history.  

We all know OL is important and they can be superstars within the game, but that star never shines outside the stadium.  That is reserved for QBs, WRs, (RBs in a prior generation), and transcendent perennial defensive players of the year.

It’s been mentioned a lot…

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yeah, he’s not moving like Kelce or Jurgens. Not even close. 

I don't think that matters as much as you think it does.  Look at this play:

 

Tell me what blocks you think Dickerson can't make.  Take a look at how he moves and what blocks he's called on to make in the zone scheme.  The thing with the scheme is that all of the O-line has to move and make potential reach blocks.  They do have Kelce have a pin and pull with Kelce sometimes on outside zone but Dickerson is just as capable of getting out in front of that pin and pull concept.  

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't expect the Eagles to sign a guard in free agency, at least not a pricey one, but Scherff is pretty good, not sure how much he'd cost.

I think OG in the secondary market after the draft is maybe a better plan.  

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lol. Not a single one of those links were correct. He doesn’t fit this offense as a center. That’s why we drafted a small, super athletic center like Jurgens. 

Most of the fans on here thought he'd be Kelce's replacement as well. It's fine if you disagree, but don't act like majority of media and fans weren't talking about him being Kelce's replacement.

https://www.eaglesmessageboard.com/topic/2953-round-2-37-eagles-select-landon-dickerson-alabama-gc/#comments

The upside for Steen seems to be Todd Herremans.  I think it would be unfair to have many complaints about Steen's rookie year.  He was on a talented veteran OL that understandably made him a deep option.

He's athletic.  Despite the hype, that athleticism is adequate for an OT prospect, but not great...otherwise he'd have been drafted higher and wouldn't be transitioning to OG.  So his movement and athleticism is great for a guard, but he's a bit tall and angular for the position, so we need to make sure he's a fit.

He's got nearly identical measurements to Herremans, who also was very athletic for a G, not quite athletic enough to force teams to draft and use him as an OT, and had to answer questions about his frame and center of gravity to prove himself as a guard.

They have earned the benefit of the doubt with OL.  If they draft an interior OL high, yeah, it probably means Steen was a wasted pick.  But it also probably means they know what they are doing, realized he's not it, and are doing something about it.  If they throw him in there as the starting RG, it's probably safe to assume he can handle it.