28 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

thats 2025. But the gif still applies 

Yea I said for next year, I meant for 2025! So I’m curious is Howie is taking some hits this year to really free him up next year

2 hours ago, just relax said:

That’s my guy. A steal at 50.

No thanks

3 hours ago, paco said:

It's likely Bradberry and Cox would get those slotted two designations.

Bradberry has a 9 Million Dollar Guaranteed Option Bonus due in a week 3-13.  Guaranteed. Can't prevent that by cutting him.  He does have 1.5 M of base salary.  That's all the savings they could get.  And getting rid of him would accelerate bonuses.   The massive option bonus next year is not Guaranteed, so unless he does good,  he probably won't be around in 2025. 

It's going to be hard for Howie to keep doing this.  When you have a lot of players who are paid in the traditional way,  with Base Salaries, it's not too difficult to create cap room when you're hitting the cap by converting some players base salary into a bonus and spread the cap hit through the length of the contract and maybe 3 more void years.

However,  if you've been doing this for so long that there are no more contracts with base salaries over $2 Million a year,  it will be difficult to create a new mechanism that makes cap money just go away.      No Eagles have base salaries to convert to bonuses.

The Eagles might try signing some player to an actual base salary.   It gives them the flexibility they might need. 

 

3 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Bradberry yes, but Cox is already a free agent.

Not making him June 1st pretty much guarantees Bradberry is gone.

Bradberry has no base salary,  and guaranteed 9 million option bonus.

guaranteed.  He can be a backup if he isn't the best one out there.

He shouldn't be the starter but the Eagles had a lot of CBs last year who were worse than Bradberry.   For the NFL,  Bradberry was below average.  For the Eagles,  Bradberry was average or even above. 

Next year,  Bradberry has a $16M option bonus which is not guaranteed.  I don't think he gets that. 

The Eagles could trade Bradberry right now, and the new team would have to pay that guaranteed $9M.  The Eagles would have to put the old bonuses on the cap immediately.

29 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He was my flyer target at safety last year.

wanted him too. solid enough Epps replacement. 

22 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’ll happily post and take all reports of us being aggressive in FA as gospel, thankyouverymuch.  

The eagles dont always follow this logic, but if they go for the prime DEs and DTs, it leaves them with needs that can be fed by the strength of this draft, which will be defensive secondary, and WR early, LBs and RBs in mid rounds.

3 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

As soon as I get excited about Howie doing the right thing with the Maddox cut, the very next sentence says but both sides are talking about a new deal, can't make it up. Move on Howie, damn man 

Howie looked at the base salary and said "I would like to not pay Maddox that much".

Cutting him effects the cap, but it doesn't effect the total amount of dead cap. the bonuses have to be paid at some time.

Cutting him means they don't have to pay his base salary this year.  If they bring him back, they'll bring him back for less than they would have paid if they didn't cut him.

If Rapp got under 5m per season CJGJ could be had for a bargain. I'm really leaning toward him being the best option considering he'll be a fraction of the cost of other safeties.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If Rapp got under 5m per season CJGJ could be had for a bargain. I'm really leaning toward him being the best option considering he'll be a fraction of the cost of other safeties.

hes also a fraction of the safety of other safeties.

But Im not totally against signing him if hes super cheap for the versatility he offers in case injuries decimate our secondary again.

Of course he will be one of the most likely to be injured, but in the off chance, he can be useful he can fill in at safey or nickel.

Id sign him primarily as a nickel. Not a safety.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

hes also a fraction of the safety of other safeties.

But Im not totally against signing him if hes super cheap for the versatility he offers in case injuries decimate our secondary again.

Of course he will be one of the most likely to be injured, but in the off chance, he can be useful he can fill in at safey or nickel.

Id sign him primarily as a nickel. Not a safety.

Yep. Would be just fine with him at nickel. He’s much better there anyway. 

2 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

forestalled all the dead cap

is forestalling more important?  Or is actually lowering the number of dollars you have to pay in total.

Just now, ManuManu said:

Yep. Would be just fine with him at nickel. He’s much better there anyway. 

hes good there and he can stay healthy there. He is 0/2 trying to stay healthy as a safety. 

32 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Howie looked at the base salary and said "I would like to not pay Maddox that much".

Cutting him effects the cap, but it doesn't effect the total amount of dead cap. the bonuses have to be paid at some time.

Cutting him means they don't have to pay his base salary this year.  If they bring him back, they'll bring him back for less than they would have paid if they didn't cut him.

I get that, I'm just saying I don't want him back. It's time to move on 

22 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

hes also a fraction of the safety of other safeties.

But Im not totally against signing him if hes super cheap for the versatility he offers in case injuries decimate our secondary again.

Of course he will be one of the most likely to be injured, but in the off chance, he can be useful he can fill in at safey or nickel.

Id sign him primarily as a nickel. Not a safety.

I don't know where all this "he sucks as a safety" is coming from unless it's just copium for him leaving last year. Because it all started after he left. No one during the 2022 season was saying anything other than he's been a great safety for the Eagles. I don't think McKinney is substantially better at safety than CJGJ. I think he's better. But not 12m per season better.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't know where all this "he sucks as a safety" is coming from unless it's just copium for him leaving last year. Because it all started after he left. No one during the 2022 season was saying anything other than he's been a great safety for the Eagles. I don't think McKinney is substantially better at safety than CJGJ. I think he's better. But not 12m per season better.

you may not have paid attention when I pointed out how Epps and even Jalen Mills were as good or better  by pretty much every possible statistical measure other than the flukey interceptions he got.

Hes ok. You can do a lot better. People bought in to the swag and glossed over his flaws.

Even if he were arguably good at safety (hes not), the bigger issue is that his little body cant hold up to the rigors of the position.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't know where all this "he sucks as a safety" is coming from unless it's just copium for him leaving last year. Because it all started after he left. No one during the 2022 season was saying anything other than he's been a great safety for the Eagles. I don't think McKinney is substantially better at safety than CJGJ. I think he's better. But not 12m per season better.

HE and I talked about how overrated he was in real time with the Eagles. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

you may not have paid attention when I pointed out how Epps and even Jalen Mills were as good or better  by pretty much every possible statistical measure other than the flukey interceptions he got.

Hes ok. You can do a lot better. People bought in to the swag and glossed over his flaws.

Even if he were arguably good at safety (hes not), the bigger issue is that his little body cant hold up to the rigors of the position.

If the stats are showing they are better than CJGJ at safety, the only thing that shows is how irrelevant certain statistics are and how limited they are in evaluating players. The eyes tell you otherwise. He's a rangey player who covers a lot of ground, has good ball skills, is tough, plays with moxie. All things this defense lacked. His injuries are a concern, but which is why I wouldn't pay him a lot, but in terms of ability and what the Eagles need I think he's a great fit.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

If the stats are showing they are better than CJGJ at safety, the only thing that shows is how irrelevant certain statistics are and how limited they are in evaluating players. The eyes tell you otherwise. He's a rangey player who covers a lot of ground, has good ball skills, is tough, plays with moxie. All things this defense lacked. His injuries are a concern, but which is why I wouldn't pay him a lot, but in terms of ability and what the Eagles need I think he's a great fit.

He catches tipped passes very well. 

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If the stats are showing they are better than CJGJ at safety, the only thing that shows is how irrelevant certain statistics are and how limited they are in evaluating players. The eyes tell you otherwise. He's a rangey player who covers a lot of ground, has good ball skills, is tough, plays with moxie. All things this defense lacked. His injuries are a concern, but which is why I wouldn't pay him a lot, but in terms of ability and what the Eagles need I think he's a great fit.

my eyes told me the truth, the stats backed it up, and the NFL confirmed it. They showed you the truth by paying him peanuts compared to what you and he thought his worth was.

He needs to go back to nickel CB to save his career. Hes a failing project at safety.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

He catches tipped passes very well. 

That isn't a negative. You know a player is good when the biggest knock on him isn't pointing out things he sucks at or was awful at, but that he made plays when good fortune sent them his way.

If he was some stiff who was out there whiffing on tackles and getting burned in coverage outside of the INTs I'd tend to agree. But he wasn't. He always seemed to be around the ball and in the right place. Whenever a play was broken up he seemed to be part of the play. He always stuck his neck in there and made tackles. I had very few complaints about him. Oh, and he was like the only one who showed up in the Super Bowl for the defense.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

That isn't a negative. You know a player is good when the biggest knock on him isn't pointing out things he sucks at or was awful at, but that he made plays when good fortune sent them his way.

If he was some stiff who was out there whiffing on tackles and getting burned in coverage outside of the INTs I'd tend to agree. But he wasn't. He always seemed to be around the ball and in the right place. Whenever a play was broken up he seemed to be part of the play. He always stuck his neck in there and made tackles. I had very few complaints about him. Oh, and he was like the only one who showed up in the Super Bowl for the defense.

wasnt much to complain about. But he was vastly over-rated. And, he misses about half the season. 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

That isn't a negative. You know a player is good when the biggest knock on him isn't pointing out things he sucks at or was awful at, but that he made plays when good fortune sent them his way.

If he was some stiff who was out there whiffing on tackles and getting burned in coverage outside of the INTs I'd tend to agree. But he wasn't. He always seemed to be around the ball and in the right place. Whenever a play was broken up he seemed to be part of the play. He always stuck his neck in there and made tackles. I had very few complaints about him. Oh, and he was like the only one who showed up in the Super Bowl for the defense.

Yes, he plays with swagger and willingly throws his body around. He’s a passable safety. He’s not really good at safety though. He missed tackles. He took poor angles. He didn’t really make plays on the ball based on jumping routes or reading route concepts. Catching some tipped passes just fooled people into thinking he was better than he was. He’s better as a slot. 

Now all that said, last year I was willing to sign CJGJ because I thought he had upside as a safety with versatility to matchup with tight ends and receivers in the slot. Maybe he still does, but it doesn’t sound like he played all that well in limited action with Detroit. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Now all that said, last year I was willing to sign CJGJ because I thought he had upside as a safety with versatility to matchup with tight ends and receivers in the slot. Maybe he still does, but it doesn’t sound like he played all that well in limited action with Detroit. 

I was with you. I think he’s way more valuable as a slot corner. When maddox got hurt last year, we moved him to play some slot and he proved his worth. if you have Blankenship and brown and can move him into slot to have both out there and have all 3 out there. Frankly he’s not the top target I’d like at safety tho  

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yes, he plays with swagger and willingly throws his body around. He’s a passable safety. He’s not really good at safety though. He missed tackles. He took poor angles. He didn’t really make plays on the ball based on jumping routes or reading route concepts. Catching some tipped passes just fooled people into thinking he was better than he was. He’s better as a slot. 

I think he has a knack for being around the ball. Maybe it's luck, maybe it's a skill, hard to say, but he does seem to always have a knack for making plays. And when you've gone years without having playmakers back there, I'll take it. Whether it's luck or skill, give me a guy who always seems to have a nose for the football.

And he does take bad angles at times, but I think you could probably say the same thing about a guy like McKinney. I'll put it this way. I don't think football ability is the reason McKinney will get paid way more than CJGJ. I think it's injury history and character concerns. In terms of football ability, I think it's not nearly as much of a difference as people think. Now, if we are comparing CJGJ to a guy like Winfield Jr... yeah, major difference there.

But if you can get CJGJ for 2 years 10 million and save 10+ million at safety and get 85% of the production, and use that money saved that you would've spent on McKinney at LB and maybe adding another edge... sign me up.