2 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Not a good trade

I mean, if he’s going to hold out for money we won’t give him, getting #23 and saving the future cap space in exchange for giving up one year of Reddick and a pick in the 50’s seems decent.

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Minimum at best. I really hope they don’t become hyper fixated on him like Boston Scott or Greg Ward. 

6 hours ago, Cheesteakitis said:

He is a restricted free agent I’m sure he will be tendered an offer 

why?

Is a sub 250 pound blocking TE with a PFF of 52.1 last year really all that necessary to keep around?

I would think that Stoll would be one to be upgraded.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Minimum at best. I really hope they don’t become hyper fixated on him like Boston Scott or Greg Ward. 

I’m fine with bring him in back for cheap. He can block, but that’s a dime a dozen. Chris Manhertz would be a good addition if we’re looking for a blocking TE. He shouldn’t cost much either. 

Stoll played quite a bit last year and ended up with 38 yards on 8 targets.  I’m not even going to say he’s a bad receiver (he is).  But he’s not targeted or utilized as one.

That’s not a good use of offensive personnel.  I get that he blocks well, but you shouldn’t be using a 247lb player to exclusively put a hand in the dirt and block when even the opposing team knows that’s all hes going to do.

Either upgrade him, stop using 12 personnel, or throw him more passes (if you think he’s up for it).

23 minutes ago, TEW said:

I mean, if he’s going to hold out for money we won’t give him, getting #23 and saving the future cap space in exchange for giving up one year of Reddick and a pick in the 50’s seems decent.

The smart money is on Reddick getting a little bit worse every year from here on out until he suddenly gets a lot worse.

We have a first round pick waiting in the wings that really needs to be used exactly as Reddick.   They have failed to figure out how to get them both on the field at the same time effectively.  

If 2024 Reddick is going to be incrementally worse than 2023, is it so bad to get draft capital for him and unload?

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Stoll played quite a bit last year and ended up with 38 yards on 8 targets.  I’m not even going to say he’s a bad receiver (he is).  But he’s not targeted or utilized as one.

That’s not a good use of offensive personnel.  I get that he blocks well, but you shouldn’t be using a 247lb player to exclusively put a hand in the dirt and block when even the opposing team knows that’s all hes going to do.

Either upgrade him, stop using 12 personnel, or throw him more passes (if you think he’s up for it).

He actually played more in 2022 when we had one of the best offenses in the NFL. I know you hate two TE sets, but having a good backup blocking TE serves a purpose, even if the counting stats don’t make it obvious.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Stoll played quite a bit last year and ended up with 38 yards on 8 targets.  I’m not even going to say he’s a bad receiver (he is).  But he’s not targeted or utilized as one.

That’s not a good use of offensive personnel.  I get that he blocks well, but you shouldn’t be using a 247lb player to exclusively put a hand in the dirt and block when even the opposing team knows that’s all hes going to do.

Either upgrade him, stop using 12 personnel, or throw him more passes (if you think he’s up for it).

I like probable udfa Johnny "Offense" Langan as a version of Jack Stoll who can do a lot more.  Rutgers QB,  then "offense" still on the roster as QB,  then Rutgers TE. 

I don't think the Eagles should have a Stoll-like player who isn't some truly great blocker, being sub 250, and can catch passes at a ok level,  and that's it.  Since the Eagles really need a big back ,  the Eagles can, should be adding a TE who the Eagles can use as a big back,  4th Q run out the clock back.   They should have a blocking TE who is only part time blocking TE.  There are a lot of DE/edge this year who have TE on the resume.  And the Eagles should be able to put a OL out there as a blocking TE.   I'm looking at day 3 and udfa for that and I have a bunch of names.   But really though,  you find a 260 pound TE as a udfa and that might be an upgrade right there. 

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The smart money is on Reddick getting a little bit worse every year from here on out until he suddenly gets a lot worse.

We have a first round pick waiting in the wings that really needs to be used exactly as Reddick.   They have failed to figure out how to get them both on the field at the same time effectively.  

If 2024 Reddick is going to be incrementally worse than 2023, is it so bad to get draft capital for him and unload?

Depends on how close Howie thinks this team is to making a SB run. 

It's almost like the reverse logic of him spending 4th-rounders at the trade deadline to bring someone in for a run.  If he's liking how we're set up, I have a hard time seeing him unload a really good player at a premium position. 

Stoll is easily replaceable in the draft.

Some decent prospects in RD6-RD7.

 

Jaheim Bell TE was a RB in this game. 2023 with Florida State.   Legette is also in this.

 

 

This one and the one above are udfa De/edge who did TE in hs.  Maybe they're good blocking TEs but play DE because it's the higher paying position.  First year special teams and blocking TE,   second year edge   don't have numbers for them.

10 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said:

To jump up 30 spots from 2nd to the 1st rd? Maybe Houston would have to throw a day 3 pick in there too. But Eagles would have two top 25 picks & the picks are back to back, plus pick #50 so 3 picks inside the top 50, I think that’s pretty good. They could use 23 to trade back a few spots too & recoup a 4th rd pick or stockpile some 2025 picks

Track record for us making successful picks in the first round not in the top 12 have not been good at all. Id personally rather have multiple picks in the 2nd/3rd rounds or even a combo of this year and 2025 since the draft is not very deep this year as you mentioned above. Or even better a player/pick combo. Just dont trust the 20-32 range Howie picks. And Im not a Howie hater, just believe he has more misses in that pick area. 

9 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Realistically,  the Eagles are looking at a 3rd for him at best, so trading 53 and Reddick to move up to 23 would be a good trade. Take a DE who will be under control for 5 years and use the cap space savings for another vet or two on D.

No way I part with Reddick for just a 3rd.  He’s older, but not ancient.  Low 1st/ high 2nd value in return or keep him

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Track record for us making successful picks in the first round not in the top 12 have not been good at all. Id personally rather have multiple picks in the 2nd/3rd rounds or even a combo of this year and 2025 since the draft is not very deep this year as you mentioned above. Or even better a player/pick combo. Just dont trust the 20-32 range Howie picks. And Im not a Howie hater, just believe he has more misses in that pick area. 

What concerns me is the tendency to trade 2s, 3s and 4s to go up to avoid picking in the 20s, leaving those rounds without picks.  It's a hard balance between making a pick you like, but not trading picks in the rounds you need to fill your roster with low cap figures players. Hitting on UDFAs is not sustainable

8 hours ago, ManuManu said:

He actually played more in 2022 when we had one of the best offenses in the NFL. I know you hate two TE sets, but having a good backup blocking TE serves a purpose, even if the counting stats don’t make it obvious.

The difference offensively from 2022 to 2023 had almost nothing to do with Stoll, it was mostly down to teams catching up to the Eagles, regression by some offensive players, and horrific offensive schemes and bad play calling.

32 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Track record for us making successful picks in the first round not in the top 12 have not been good at all. Id personally rather have multiple picks in the 2nd/3rd rounds or even a combo of this year and 2025 since the draft is not very deep this year as you mentioned above. Or even better a player/pick combo. Just dont trust the 20-32 range Howie picks. And Im not a Howie hater, just believe he has more misses in that pick area. 

It's not about hate, it's about acknowledging the facts.  Howies drafting in the 20s has been amazingly awful.  There's not one pick from that range that has been good for the Eagles, unless you count one year from Nelson Agholor.  Then, you get exactly one season from one player drafted in that range.  You can even lower that range down to any that is not single digits, as Derek Barnett (14) and so far Jordan Davis (13) didn't get it done compared to their draft status.  We head into year 3 with Davis this year, and while he can be a freak athlete for moments... he can't stay on the field.  With Cox out of the picture now, no reason to forsee Suh or Joseph returning we NEED big things from both him and Carter next year.  This team desperately needs playmaker defensively and when you draft defense with 3 consecutive first round picks (picks 13, 9 and 30, respectively) that puts a massive onus on Davis, Carter and Smith to produce.  Davis nears the halfway point of his rookie contract.  So far, he's been a disappointment given his draft status and his physical stature.  He should be better than he has been and he should be on the field more.  The training wheels are off now for him.  Time to do it on the field consistently.

I get the Pollard/Moore connection, but I don't see how anyone could watch Dallas last year and want Tony Pollard. He was getting phased out for Rico Dowdle.

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

I get the Pollard/Moore connection, but I don't see how anyone could watch Dallas last year and want Tony Pollard. He was getting phased out for Rico Dowdle.

Pollard would be a Gainwell upgrade.  But not a starter. 

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

I get the Pollard/Moore connection, but I don't see how anyone could watch Dallas last year and want Tony Pollard. He was getting phased out for Rico Dowdle.

I would certainly take Pollard over the likes of Gainwell/Scott/Penny, but I don't think anyone wants him as a lead back. If Swift came back and you could get Pollard on a cheap contract, that would be pretty solid start.

 

20 minutes ago, RLC said:

I get the Pollard/Moore connection, but I don't see how anyone could watch Dallas last year and want Tony Pollard. He was getting phased out for Rico Dowdle.

Pollard played pretty well down the stretch, the closer he got to a year out from his injury. 

I wouldn’t sign him unless it’s cheapish, but I don’t think he’s washed up. 

Gainwell at a cap hit at 1.13M > Pollard at any cap hit above 5M. Gainwell was better than Pollard last year!