56 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

HC or GM

What happens if they hire them to be an OC and then promote them to HC several weeks later like Jim Zorn in 2008

For me, the season went sideways before the SEA game when the decision was made to have Matt Patricia call defensive plays.  Coincidentally, this was exactly the time when Nick Sirianni should have stepped in and started calling offensive plays because -- as I said at the time -- even though the Eagles had just beaten BUF and KC they were scoring 6 points, 6 points, 7 points, and 7 points in the first half of the previous 4 games.  It was apparent the offense was leaking oil and sputtering.  Instead, the Eagles chose to blow up the defense and change coordinator responsibilities.  This prompts a few questions for me:

1.  Who decided to hire Matt Patricia in the first place?

2.  Who decided Matt Patricia should be calling plays on game days?

3.  Why were fans told Patricia would only be calling plays and Desai was still DC; yet the players had no clue what their assignments were and what their identity was (which showed on the field)?  It's obvious Patricia wasn't simply making play calls, but trying to install new terminology, assignments, and scheme.

4.  When Patricia started changing the defense and scheme, why wasn't he told to call Desai's system and quit screwing things up?

 

If the answers to these questions are Nick, then Nick should be fired.  I think the answer to most of these questions is Howie.  For that reason, I don't think it's fair that Nick and all the coaches should take the fall.

 

I don’t dislike Gainwell, I dislike the coaching staff’s obsession with using him.

Billionaires do billionaire things. Not sure why this is news. 
 

Lurie probably flies around with some intern whose job is to get Julian his drugs and set up a Zoom meeting for grandpa to talk to the players if he wants to. 

Don’t be shocked when Lurie flies to Jersey and walks into Sirianni’s house with muddy boots just to rub them in his sofa. 

If Sirianni is fired the questions about coordinator searches goes away, because the entire coaching staff would change (perhaps not Stoutland).  If, however, Sirianni is retained this brings up an awkward scenario around OC.

The Eagles could announce at any time that Desai is fired and Patricia will not be returning next season.  Those changes are easy.  What do you do with OC while Brian Johnson has 3 head coaching interviews, though?  You really can't make any change there until you have resolution to those coaching searches.  I don't think you can even do interviews with any OC candidate.  It'd be beyond awkward to fire him while he's interviewing for head coaching jobs.

If Johnson gets hired as a head coach you're searching for a new OC again -- but that hire might not be until after the Super Bowl.  If Johnson doesn't get any of the jobs you probably won't know that until early February as well.  

11 minutes ago, paco said:

What happens if they hire them to be an OC and then promote them to HC several weeks later like Jim Zorn in 2008

SOL

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

SOL

Then I found a loophole.  That's it, I'm applying for Howies job.

18 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Depends on what you mean by "bubble bursting". I think the trend in viewership numbers might taper off a bit eventually, but I don't foresee a large sustained drop or anything like that. It's gonna be the most popular sport in this country for the next few decades, I don't see anything else challenging it.

Eventually, the revenue for the league will go down, rather than up.   That's not going to happen in this generation, but its coming.   The product just isn't what it was.  They will still be a massive business, but they will be Wendy's or Burger King, rather than McDonalds... eventually.   Something else will overtake them as 'the thing', especially as the safety of the game issue grows bigger and bigger.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Eventually, the revenue for the league will go down, rather than up.   That's not going to happen in this generation, but its coming.   The product just isn't what it was.  They will still be a massive business, but they will be Wendy's or Burger King, rather than McDonalds... eventually.   Something else will overtake them as 'the thing', especially as the safety of the game issue grows bigger and bigger.

There might be a slight down year, but any losses would be recouped a year or two later I'd bet. The marketing is more than strong enough to make up for any flaws in the product (and by flaws, I don't mean those perceived by the hardcore fans like us, but by the more casual fans that are flooding in).

Using your fast food analogy, if the NFL isn't McDonald's then who is in that scenario? It surely won't be the MLB, NBA, or NHL. They are falling further and further behnid with each passing year. 

24 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Don't forget the OC would just be coming in to call plays for Nick's offense

Hope he's able to survive when he loses coordinators

Didn't they say that it shattered streaming records though?

We don’t know that is the case moving forward. 

A couple leaps of logic here, but it's not that crazy...

- Siri brings nothing tangible to the table.  He does nothing with the defense.  He cannot call plays or maintain his own offensive system.  He is a rah-rah coach...and one that couldn't stop the team from quitting.

- Why do you keep a HC that brings nothing to the table?  There are only 2 reasons...not wanting to make waves or wanting a proxy coach.  

- Not wanting to make waves doesn't apply.  Lurie/Howie have demonstrated that they are not afraid to do it multiple times in the past.  Perhaps more importantly, at this point, KEEPING Siri is going to be more controversial than letting him go.

The primary appeal of Siri to Howie and Lurie is having a HC that signed up to let them pull the strings.  Because there is no other appeal.  Siri signed up for that and...unlike Doug...has recommitted to that ongoing relationship.  With the egos involved in big name NFL coaches...that's hard to find...and you hang on to that coach when you find him.

 

If you guys have 15 minutes to spare, here’s a Josina Anderson tweet. 

I don't want Belichick if Sirianni is fired anyway.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't want Belichick if Sirianni is fired anyway.

I post all the time that last chance legendary coaches are a terrible fit.  Stubborn, arrogant, and with the singular vision of recreating something that was successful 15 years ago.  Belichick was great, but I wouldn't bet on it again.

However, it would be worth the price of admission to see these soft players go from Spa de Siriani to getting treated with all condescension and zero respect from Belichick.  

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

A couple leaps of logic here, but it's not that crazy...

- Siri brings nothing tangible to the table.  He does nothing with the defense.  He cannot call plays or maintain his own offensive system.  He is a rah-rah coach...and one that couldn't stop the team from quitting.

- Why do you keep a HC that brings nothing to the table?  There are only 2 reasons...not wanting to make waves or wanting a proxy coach.  

- Not wanting to make waves doesn't apply.  Lurie/Howie have demonstrated that they are not afraid to do it multiple times in the past.  Perhaps more importantly, at this point, KEEPING Siri is going to be more controversial than letting him go.

The primary appeal of Siri to Howie and Lurie is having a HC that signed up to let them pull the strings.  Because there is no other appeal.  Siri signed up for that and...unlike Doug...has recommitted to that ongoing relationship.  With the egos involved in big name NFL coaches...that's hard to find...and you hang on to that coach when you find him.

 

Again, by this logic Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh bring nothing to the table.  Neither does Dan Campbell.

Berman and Bo today did an hour long mock Lurie and Sirianni interview today on PHLY. I appreciate the commitment to the bit, but I couldn't stick it more than 5 minutes.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I post all the time that last chance legendary coaches are a terrible fit.  Stubborn, arrogant, and with the singular vision of recreating something that was successful 15 years ago.  Belichick was great, but I wouldn't bet on it again.

However, it would be worth the price of admission to see these soft players go from Spa de Siriani to getting treated with all condescension and zero respect from Belichick.  

That's why I want 2 hard asses as coordinators.  This team is lacking the days of Reid when they had the hardest TC/practices in the league.  It has turned into Club Jerrah North 

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Again, by this logic Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh bring nothing to the table.  Neither does Dan Campbell.

Tomlin and Harbaugh are literally THE gold standard for non-schematic coaches.   That was my point when I said that Siri is a rah-rah intangible coach who had a team quit.  That garbage has not and would not happen to Tomlin and Harbaugh.  Siri is NOT them.

23 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

There might be a slight down year, but any losses would be recouped a year or two later I'd bet. The marketing is more than strong enough to make up for any flaws in the product (and by flaws, I don't mean those perceived by the hardcore fans like us, but by the more casual fans that are flooding in).

Using your fast food analogy, if the NFL isn't McDonald's then who is in that scenario? It surely won't be the MLB, NBA, or NHL. They are falling further and further behnid with each passing year. 

Currently, the NFL is McDonalds.  I don't know who will overtake the NFL, but I believe someone will... maybe 40 years from now.  But the concussion and safety questions aren't going anywhere and I think more and more parents will stop their kids from playing youth football moving forward, maybe flag football will take off. Who knows?

30 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don’t dislike Gainwell, I dislike the coaching staff’s obsession with using him.

PFF had every running back as below average.  So, the coaching staff had an option of 4 below average running backs.  

Some of the RBs were mediocre below average,  some were near the bottom.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/teams/philadelphia-eagles/24/roster

Swift - 66.5   46th / 61 HB
Scott - 60.8
Gainwell - 55.3  59th / 61 HB
Penny - 44.5

All bottom 1/3

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Currently, the NFL is McDonalds.  I don't know who will overtake the NFL, but I believe someone will... maybe 40 years from now.  But the concussion and safety questions aren't going anywhere and I think more and more parents will stop their kids from playing youth football moving forward, maybe flag football will take off. Who knows?

Yeah I hear ya, and I think that's reasonable. I am hearing more and more from parents of my kids friends (including even the dads) about how they're concerned about safety. Unheard of to hear a father say that 30 years ago when I started playing but times have certainly changed.

2 hours ago, GoEagles614 said:

Out of nowhere they started playing defense like us in the playoffs lol. Soft coverage and got torched. Idk why people are happy, we got out coached by them twice this season!

They went primarily zone in the WC, totally opposite of what they did all year…the big question is why. What was the thinking? Why wasn’t  it corrected during the game when it obviously wasn’t working?

4 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

PFF had every running back as below average.  So, the coaching staff had an option of 4 below average running backs.  

Some of the RBs were mediocre below average,  some were near the bottom.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/teams/philadelphia-eagles/24/roster

Swift - 66.5   46th / 61 HB
Scott - 60.8
Gainwell - 55.3  59th / 61 HB
Penny - 44.5

All bottom 1/3

I don't care about PFF.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Tomlin and Harbaugh are literally THE gold standard for non-schematic coaches.   That was my point when I said that Siri is a rah-rah intangible coach who had a team quit.  That garbage has not and would not happen to Tomlin and Harbaugh.  

They're the standard because they've been given the stability and security by the organization.  After winning the Super Bowl in 2012, John Harbaugh went 40-40 as a head coach over the next 5 seasons.  The Ravens went 5-11 under Harbaugh in 2015.  Was that "gold standard" coaching??  THE gold standard is 5 f'n wins???

Get a f'n grip, for F sake

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Tomlin and Harbaugh are literally THE gold standard for non-schematic coaches.   That was my point when I said that Siri is a rah-rah intangible coach who had a team quit.  That garbage has not and would not happen to Tomlin and Harbaugh.  Siri is NOT them.

Campbell might be a better modern-day standard than Tomlin as of late. Remains to be seen how well they fare with Ben Johnson's imminent departure.