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The defense is really between a rock and a hard place.

Over the years, they have had a lot of franchise-level inertia with making changes to the defense.  The philosophy and alignment really comes from the top and the DCs have conserved that.  

We have this asymmetric 5-2 really built around Reddick and the DTs (with Nolan Smith sort of in the wings)...plus the now-out-of-favor Fangio schematic philosophy.

Departing from that, even if you don't like that scheme, still comes at a cost.  That makes for 4 DC's and defensive changes in 3 years.  The bigger the change, the bigger adjustment pains.  That's how your investment in young players often goes up in smoke.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

They're the standard because they've been given the stability and security by the organization.  After winning the Super Bowl in 2012, John Harbaugh went 40-40 as a head coach over the next 5 seasons.  The Ravens went 5-11 under Harbaugh in 2015.  Was that "gold standard" coaching??  THE gold standard is 5 f'n wins???

Get a f'n grip, for F sake

Be my guest if you want to get on the Siri is Tomlin and Harbaugh train.  Tomlin and Harbaugh won SB's early.  That goes a long way towards stability and security.  By that logic, should we fire Siri and try to get Doug back?

That's as blindly optimistic as comparing limited players to HOFers who happen to share the same weakness.

 

34 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

A couple leaps of logic here, but it's not that crazy...

- Siri brings nothing tangible to the table.  He does nothing with the defense.  He cannot call plays or maintain his own offensive system.  He is a rah-rah coach...and one that couldn't stop the team from quitting.

- Why do you keep a HC that brings nothing to the table?  There are only 2 reasons...not wanting to make waves or wanting a proxy coach.  

- Not wanting to make waves doesn't apply.  Lurie/Howie have demonstrated that they are not afraid to do it multiple times in the past.  Perhaps more importantly, at this point, KEEPING Siri is going to be more controversial than letting him go.

The primary appeal of Siri to Howie and Lurie is having a HC that signed up to let them pull the strings.  Because there is no other appeal.  Siri signed up for that and...unlike Doug...has recommitted to that ongoing relationship.  With the egos involved in big name NFL coaches...that's hard to find...and you hang on to that coach when you find him.

 

So you think Lurie and Howie are just a 2-person version of Jerry Jones minus the weekly interviews?  I do think there may be more front office meddling than we’d like, but I think it’s a bit extreme to go that far.  
 

I see part of the logical reasoning that led you here, but the glaring difference with the Eagles is the players apparently have a great deal of respect for Sirianni.  I haven’t seen that in past coaches with the Cowboys…it’s Jerry they care about.  

14 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The defense is really between a rock and a hard place.

Over the years, they have had a lot of franchise-level inertia with making changes to the defense.  The philosophy and alignment really comes from the top and the DCs have conserved that.  

We have this asymmetric 5-2 really built around Reddick and the DTs (with Nolan Smith sort of in the wings)...plus the now-out-of-favor Fangio schematic philosophy.

Departing from that, even if you don't like that scheme, still comes at a cost.  That makes for 4 DC's and defensive changes in 3 years.  The bigger the change, the bigger adjustment pains.  That's how your investment in young players often goes up in smoke.

The Fangio personnel isn't so exotic upfront, I think we can transition there.  The backend is a rebuild, no matter what the scheme is. 

 

22 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

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I have seen the offense with my eyes and they were dog crap the last 3 months, box score be damned 

Falcons still gonna suck cause no QB

PFF and ESP box score takes. Equally useless. 

Should we have any realistic expectations for Isaiah Rodgers? He's a versatile player and not that it matters, he would instantly become the teams KOR. 

9 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I have seen the offense with my eyes and they were dog crap the last 3 months, box score be damned 

Yeah they moved the ball well at times but didn't pass the eye test. Turnovers killed them more than anything. Having no real sight adjustment answers for the blitz, refusal to pass between the hashes (Wr screens instead :( ), and lack of commitment to the run game are all fighting for second. 

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Find a michigan tree coach

 

Although in watching the natty i see an awful lot of Bear Front concepts in that defense. Am i wrong @just relax?

Not wrong at all. In short yardage and in run downs they do a lot of covering the C and both Gs, with stand-up DE/LBs, which is the Bear front.

Like this:

Their base is a 4-3 with two down DTs and stand-up DEs. on passing downs they'll pull a LB and add a hybrid S/CB. This is a variant of the 4i that I also like a lot and have posted about in the past. The Ravens run the same thing; or, rather, Michigan does what Baltimore does. See here.

In terms of personnel, to do this you need strong DTs. Three for the Bear front and two for the base. That means you need five or six DTs to rotate. You need a strong MLB because you're essentially trying to stop the run with three guys. The DE's have to set an edge. You're giving up size for speed and you need strong run support from your DBs, especially the safeties.

We have the DTs to run this. We do NOT have an LB suitable to play the middle but there are several in the draft who fit the bill. Cooper, Colson, Trotter Jr, among others. I have a bias, of course, and would go for Colson with one of our seconds. Dean would be a fine weakside LB who gets pulled on passing downs. We need better DBs, obviously. Bradberry is shot. He was a fine zone CB but is dreadful in man and, now that he no longer tackles well, is hopeless in any scheme. Blankenship is a nice player but is he fast enough? I don't know.  

Getting back to the Michigan tree coach, I've already plugged MacDonald and Minter. Either would make me happy. They both run this system. Unless you are willing to make MacDonald your HC you're not going to get him, since it's a parallel move. That leaves Minter, and Harbaugh might bring him with him to wherever he goes. My guess is Washington. 

Ok the offense was bad , what was it

lack of talent

bad execution 

play calling 

all of the above ? 

That would’ve been quite the team if you kept tobias 

 

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Ok the offense was bad , what was it

lack of talent

bad execution 

play calling 

all of the above ? 

90% play calling/play design. 
 

Take your pick for the other 10% 

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Ok the offense was bad , what was it

lack of talent

bad execution 

play calling 

all of the above ? 

I would say design. Hopeless against the blitz, with no throws available to the QB against it. You've got to be able to burn the blitz by hitting the vacated area and we had no hot receivers. 

46 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Currently, the NFL is McDonalds.  I don't know who will overtake the NFL, but I believe someone will... maybe 40 years from now.  But the concussion and safety questions aren't going anywhere and I think more and more parents will stop their kids from playing youth football moving forward, maybe flag football will take off. Who knows?

I’m so thankful that I grew up during the old and long gone days of football. I understand the concerns about player safety and what some of the former player have had to go through. But today’s product is almost unwatchable from a defensive perspective. It’s all about offense and it seems they keep finding ways to make it even harder for defenses to have success against the offense. Tackling in general has been really bad all over the league. You might be right. With the way things are going, it will be flag football sooner or later.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

For me, the season went sideways before the SEA game when the decision was made to have Matt Patricia call defensive plays.  Coincidentally, this was exactly the time when Nick Sirianni should have stepped in and started calling offensive plays because -- as I said at the time -- even though the Eagles had just beaten BUF and KC they were scoring 6 points, 6 points, 7 points, and 7 points in the first half of the previous 4 games.  It was apparent the offense was leaking oil and sputtering.  Instead, the Eagles chose to blow up the defense and change coordinator responsibilities.  This prompts a few questions for me:

1.  Who decided to hire Matt Patricia in the first place?

2.  Who decided Matt Patricia should be calling plays on game days?

3.  Why were fans told Patricia would only be calling plays and Desai was still DC; yet the players had no clue what their assignments were and what their identity was (which showed on the field)?  It's obvious Patricia wasn't simply making play calls, but trying to install new terminology, assignments, and scheme.

4.  When Patricia started changing the defense and scheme, why wasn't he told to call Desai's system and quit screwing things up?

 

If the answers to these questions are Nick, then Nick should be fired.  I think the answer to most of these questions is Howie.  For that reason, I don't think it's fair that Nick and all the coaches should take the fall.

 

Agree, this is the only reason to bring back Nick and the rest of the staff.  If the Patricia debacle was on Howie and/or Lurie, and not on Nick.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

ESPN had SNF when it started.   Back in the 1980s/early 1990s, while MNF was still on ABC, CBS and NBC had the Sunday afternoon games.   ESPN got into the scene with Sunday Night Football.  I forget the guy who did play by play, but would remember him if I saw his face... along side Joe Theismann, IIRC.  

Then Fox jumped in stealing the NFC package from CBS. So, CBS stole the AFC from NBC.  And for a couple years, NBC didn't have games.   Then NBC decided to get back into the NFL and took over SNF, and ABC backed out and let ESPN have MNF (They are both owned by Disney).   

 

The reason ABC simulcast ESPN's NFL coverage is that paying to air extra content is expensive and so they decided to save some money on content and just get some eyeballs for MNF for the antenna crowd.

The SNF guy you’re thinking of is Dan Patrick I believe?

29 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I haven’t seen that in past coaches with the Cowboys…it’s Jerry they care about.  

Historically speaking this is accurate, with the exception of Bill P, and Mike McC...

Several players spoke out regarding McC early this week, and what they feel he has done for them as players and the organization in a very positive way, primarily culture. I think in addition to some other contracts (coaches and players) set to expire or voidable after this coming year, Jerry is keeping McC on because of he knew if he blew it up by firing McC he would lose the locker as an owner. Your point is accurate though, I believe the players want more stability now vs the typical DAL 3-5 year revolving door at HC.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That would’ve been quite the team if you kept tobias 

 

Not sure the spacing would've worked out since he cant shoot 3's.

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

Not sure the spacing would've worked out since he cant shoot 3's.

I’m thinking you’d have had to bring tobias off the bench but yeah he really wasn’t the best fit. 

50 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The defense is really between a rock and a hard place.

Over the years, they have had a lot of franchise-level inertia with making changes to the defense.  The philosophy and alignment really comes from the top and the DCs have conserved that.  

We have this asymmetric 5-2 really built around Reddick and the DTs (with Nolan Smith sort of in the wings)...plus the now-out-of-favor Fangio schematic philosophy.

Departing from that, even if you don't like that scheme, still comes at a cost.  That makes for 4 DC's and defensive changes in 3 years.  The bigger the change, the bigger adjustment pains.  That's how your investment in young players often goes up in smoke.

Get some competent LBs and they don't have to do 5 DL looks as often.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m thinking you’d have had to bring tobias off the bench but yeah he really wasn’t the best fit. 

How come you rarely post Sixers stuff in the sixers thread anymore?

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

 

 

 

Kelce needs to go into coaching, it's fairly apparent to me he would be a great asset in meeting rooms, practices, and scheme development. He's just a smart football guy with great leadership qualities.

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

How come you rarely post Sixers stuff in the sixers thread anymore?

Because you won't change your avatar