Barkley is a better RB in 2024 than Derrick Henry. Didn’t think that needed to be said. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Brandon Smith has NO instincts.  Literally, ZERO, none.   At best he's a guy who can fly down the field on ST and crash into someone/something.   But, that's about his ceiling.

Other than that, he is the perfect LB.  I like VanSumeren more than B. Smith. That said, right now the Off Ball LBs are Dean, VanSumeren and B. Smith. That position and S are still huge holes.

17 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Last 4 seasons, catching the ball out of the backfield:

Saquon Barkley -- 145 catches in 202 targets (71.8% catch rate), 941 yards (6.49 yards per catch)

Derrick Henry -- 98 catches in 128 targets (76.6% catch rate), 880 yards (8.98 yards per catch)

 

The case can be made for sure that Derrick Henry has a lot of wear on the tires, and it's a valid question how much he has left.  He's been for sure, by any objective measure though, a much better RB than Saquon Barkley.

$13M per season is just way too much for what Barkley has provided during his career.  I'm hopeful it will turn out to be a good signing, but my best guess is it will turn out to be a bad signing. 

Just to play the stats game..... last 4 seasons games played:

Barkley 45

Henry 57

 

Assuming those are regular seasons stats, if you average Barkleys production over a 57 game period it looks like:

Saquon Barkley -- 184 catches in 256 targets, 1192 yards 

Derrick Henry -- 98 catches in 128 targets , 880 yards 

 

He has nearly double the # of catches.  The debate then is, what attributes for Henry's better YPC:  Henry being harder to bring down or the Giants crappy line\qb play\pass protection?

1 minute ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Is he much better or has he just had better QB's throwing to him than the dying embers of Gomer's career followed by AbracaDaniel?

Although some like Hurts can stand to improve accuracy on a simple screen pass, it doesnt generally take much for a QB to be able to deliver an accurate ball to typical RB routes out of the backfield. QB play can hardly be factored in when it comes to RB receiving stats. 

This will get you excited about Huff. Very informative. 

It's enjoyable to watch this healthy debate between those who support the Barkley signing and those who are wrong.

42 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Wasn't it reported they wanted a 3 down back?

 

1 minute ago, paco said:

Just to play the stats game..... last 4 seasons games played:

Barkley 45

Henry 57

 

Assuming those are regular seasons stats, if you average Barkleys production over a 57 game period it looks like:

Saquon Barkley -- 184 catches in 256 targets, 1192 yards 

Derrick Henry -- 98 catches in 128 targets , 880 yards 

 

He has nearly double the # of catches.  The debate then is, what attributes for Henry's better YPC:  Henry being harder to bring down or the Giants crappy line\qb play\pass protection?

Better player- Henry

   Better runner- Henry

   Better receiving stats- Henry

Harder to bring down- Henry

More durable player-  Henry

Shorter years on deal- Henry

Less money- Henry

Closer to end- probably Henry, but again, less years.

Better RB deal- Henry. Not debatable.

 

 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I hope he wants to sign with the eagles 🙂

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Better see a lot less Gainwell then

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Other than that, he is the perfect LB.  I like VanSumeren more than B. Smith. That said, right now the Off Ball LBs are Dean, VanSumeren and B. Smith. That position and S are still huge holes.

Could see Chinn in that role

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Better see a lot less Gainwell then

I think the fact that we continued to see Gainwell was telling.  Much as we think these guys are idiots at times they probably would have played Swift if they thought it was the best thing.  For some reason they didn't

Didn't watch much of the Jets games but looking through some highlights, and I'm getting some strong Hugh Douglas vibes from watching Huff. 

20 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

He doesn't fit well as a 3-4 DE or OLB and his extension is going to cost a lot with others coming due. Looking at WR free agency, I think there's a considerably higher than zero chance that we can't afford Devonta if he wants full market.

Right. Didn't realize theyre going 3-4.

So Linebackers....

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

It's enjoyable to watch this healthy debate between those who support the Barkley signing and those who are wrong.

Saquon is clearly the better all around player at this point with significantly less wear and tear. Henry has over 2,000 carries over 8 years, with 3 years over 300 carries (378 peak in 2020). Barkley has only 1,200 carries over 6 years (basically 5 as he missed a year) with a peak of 295 in 2022. Add in Saquon being a pass catcher, and he is clearly the better player.

Did I want to go to ~$13mm per year for him ($26mm in gteed money over 2 years is likely the real contract)? No, I didn't. But I don't want to spend that much on any RB. But I prefer him strongly to Henry at this point in their respective careers, and I am intrigued to see what he can do with a top OL and offense. I was hoping we could get Saquon for more like 2 years, $18mm. But the RB market was strong.

30 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Last 4 seasons, catching the ball out of the backfield:

Saquon Barkley -- 145 catches in 202 targets (71.8% catch rate), 941 yards (6.49 yards per catch)

Derrick Henry -- 98 catches in 128 targets (76.6% catch rate), 880 yards (8.98 yards per catch)

 

The case can be made for sure that Derrick Henry has a lot of wear on the tires, and it's a valid question how much he has left.  He's been for sure, by any objective measure though, a much better RB than Saquon Barkley.

$13M per season is just way too much for what Barkley has provided during his career.  I'm hopeful it will turn out to be a good signing, but my best guess is it will turn out to be a bad signing. 

It's just hard to predict, the Giants were really that bad. Raw stats can be more misleading in the NFL than maybe any other sport (except scoring in the NBA) b/c they're so situation dependent - like LBs on bad teams who rack up tackles b/c their DL are sieves. Good RBs on bad offenses become the focal point of defenses, it wasn't like you game planned for Jones to beat you!

Garofolo said something along the lines that the Eagles will "try” to get some compensation for Sweat but may have to decide to move on. So maybe he just gets cut? Yikes. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Garofolo said something along the lines that the Eagles will "try” to get some compensation for Sweat but may have to decide to move on. So maybe he just gets cut? Yikes. 

Now that would be awful. Not even a comp pick in 2025.

Cutting/Trading him has the same cap ramifications. 

5 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Could see Chinn in that role

I don’t know that Chinn has a role in this D.

Just now, vikas83 said:

Saquon is clearly the better all around player at this point with significantly less wear and tear. Henry has over 2,000 carries over 8 years, with 3 years over 300 carries (378 peak in 2020). Barkley has only 1,200 carries over 6 years (basically 5 as he missed a year) with a peak of 295 in 2022. Add in Saquon being a pass catcher, and he is clearly the better player.

Did I want to go to ~$13mm per year for him ($26mm in gteed money over 2 years is likely the real contract)? No, I didn't. But I don't want to spend that much on any RB. But I prefer him strongly to Henry at this point in their respective careers, and I am intrigued to see what he can do with a top OL and offense. I was hoping we could get Saquon for more like 2 years, $18mm. But the RB market was strong.

I think the RB market was more a correction to being undervalued, I mean when the top guys get $10-13M a year it's still cheap relative to every other position, top LBs and safeties get $15-20M.

Teams got so enamored with the passing games that defenses have become vulnerable to good running games, and when you can set up 2nd and 4 or so on a regular basis, you control the game.

The two key but underrated positions are nickel CB and 2nd TE, on many teams they'll play 50+% of the snaps.

51 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Be interesting to see if the Ravens are smarter than everyone else and he still has gas in the tank or can be as effective on lighter duty.

He hasn’t shown that he’s close to that. 

4 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

Right. Didn't realize theyre going 3-4.

So Linebackers....

Hurtt ran a 3-4 in Seattle.  More versatility if the OLBs can cover.