1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

Agreed. Why? I hope the Lions smoke them. Rooting Lions, Packers, Texans, Bills.

Hoping for a Bills - Lions Superbowl 

Both of those cities are long overdue, but I'm going Buffalo all the way 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Meh.  McCarthy gave up play calling for a long time and did great when he took it back.  Not saying Sirianni can do the same, because McCarthy has 20+ years of play calling/head coaching experience, but it's not hard to remember it being done after giving it up.

Sirianni gave away play calling last year to Steichen. He reassigned defensive play calling to Patricia. He hired all those guys and didn’t take back playcalling. Ergo, he’s worse than two guys he hired and both the guys after Gannon were terrible. Can his a$$. 

So Sirianni will be the "head coach" with guys like Reich and Rivera as the coordinators holding his hand? Pretty obvious the front office is more concerned with having good coordinators and a head coach they can control and tell what to do rather than having a great head coach.

48 minutes ago, NOTW said:

that would be great too.  But the Lions have never even been to a Super Bowl, would love to see that for their fans.  Even if they lose to the AFC team.

Yeah, I’d like to see Detroit make the SB, I was replying specifically to no one being able to off SF. NFCCG could be GB at Det

10 minutes ago, Birdman said:

Hoping for a Bills - Lions Superbowl 

Both of those cities are long overdue, but I'm going Buffalo all the way 

Yeah, I'm OK with that.  Just not SF and KC.  So of course....

7 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

So Sirianni will be the "head coach" with guys like Reich and Rivera as the coordinators holding his hand? Pretty obvious the front office is more concerned with having good coordinators and a head coach they can control and tell what to do rather than having a great head coach.

Seems to be trending that way and this is why I want Shitanni gone 

Lurie & Roseman need to bring in an experienced, vetted, legitimate CEO-style coach, get the F out his way and end their meddling. 

3 minutes ago, Birdman said:

Seems to be trending that way and this is why I want Shitanni gone 

Lurie & Roseman need to bring in an experienced, vetted, legitimate CEO-style coach, get the F out his way and end their meddling. 

Yep, but sadly they won't.

16 minutes ago, just relax said:

Sirianni gave away play calling last year to Steichen. He reassigned defensive play calling to Patricia. He hired all those guys and didn’t take back playcalling. Ergo, he’s worse than two guys he hired and both the guys after Gannon were terrible. Can his a$$. 

Interesting to see you with this take.  I can't say I disagree, but it is very interesting.  What I struggle with is the Super Bowl run last year, and the 10-1 start to this year.  What allowed those things to happen if Sirianni is so bad?  All evidence would seem to point towards that being the case...

But, how can someone seemingly so incompetent push so many right buttons so many times in a row to get the team where this team was... and then push so many wrong buttons?  

 

It just doesn't add up.  I can't figure it out.  

9 minutes ago, Birdman said:

Seems to be trending that way and this is why I want Shitanni gone 

Lurie & Roseman need to bring in an experienced, vetted, legitimate CEO-style coach, get the F out his way and end their meddling. 

Nah... just get some better coordinators and personnel on D and they're in business. No more Fangio scheme.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Interesting to see you with this take.  I can't say I disagree, but it is very interesting.  What I struggle with is the Super Bowl run last year, and the 10-1 start to this year.  What allowed those things to happen if Sirianni is so bad?  All evidence would seem to point towards that being the case...

But, how can someone seemingly so incompetent push so many right buttons so many times in a row to get the team where this team was... and then push so many wrong buttons?  

 

It just doesn't add up.  I can't figure it out.  

Pretty simple at least in my opinion. The front office tells Sirianni what to do and he is essentially the figure head. The team is dependent upon the talent and coordinators. Last year the defensive personnel was better and the coordinators were really good, This year the coordinators were terrible and the talent on defense was also an issue. I realize they started out 10-1 and things got WAY worse but they were winning ugly and had obvious issues. Once the team started to lose they began to doubt the coaches and themselves and things spiraled out of control.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Interesting to see you with this take.  I can't say I disagree, but it is very interesting.  What I struggle with is the Super Bowl run last year, and the 10-1 start to this year.  What allowed those things to happen if Sirianni is so bad?  All evidence would seem to point towards that being the case...

But, how can someone seemingly so incompetent push so many right buttons so many times in a row to get the team where this team was... and then push so many wrong buttons?  

 

It just doesn't add up.  I can't figure it out.  

The wrong button was the switch to Patricia and losing Slay for 3-4 games. There was no coming back from that. Debatable as to who made the call to move to Patricia.

Seems like that's the simple explanation...

but I don't know, its just tough to swallow.

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

People in here are going to be salty when the Lions beat the Bucs by 3 TDs.

No, it will make those that think sirianni should keep his job look like clowns.

1 minute ago, pisceschica said:

No, it will make those that think sirianni should keep his job look like clowns.

Clown here :) They all float down here.

Just a hunch of course, but if Sirianni were fired, I don't think one team out there with a HC opening would have any legitimate interest in him. If he were as good as his advocates claim, using his record as a defense, then he should be the #1 or #2 candidate on every team's wish list.

If he's fired wouldn't be stunned if he never gets another head coaching job in the NFL again, and that would be pretty wild, but also telling when you look at his record.

44 minutes ago, Birdman said:

Hoping for a Bills - Lions Superbowl 

Both of those cities are long overdue, but I'm going Buffalo all the way 

My formulative years were spent watching the Bills lose in the Super Bowl. 

48 minutes ago, Birdman said:

Hoping for a Bills - Lions Superbowl 

Both of those cities are long overdue, but I'm going Buffalo all the way 

I'd be happy to see the Bills get one.

4 minutes ago, judunno said:

Clown here 🙂 They all float down here.

For me, it all comes down to who hired Matt Patricia and who promoted Matt Patricia.  If that was Sirianni, then Nick should be fired.  I think it was Howie.

When Patricia was hired on April 20 it was a clusterf___.  I didn't even believe the initial reporting because it made no sense for the Eagles to bring him in at that stage.  Then it disappeared from the team's website.  Howie and Nick were about to give a PC to discuss Hurts' extension and the new additions to the coaching staff, and the press asked Nick if Patricia had in fact been hired or not.  Nick's response was "it's trending towards" .... that tells me he wasn't a Nick hire.  If Nick hired Patricia, he'd have said "Yes, I've hired Matt Patricia and we're putting pen to paper" -- or something like that.  Bringing in a "senior defensive assistant" at a late juncture is more a Howie/Lurie thing to do.

Next came the story that Patricia had been promoted to defensive play caller.  Another clusterf___, because where Patricia was supposed to be calling Desai's defense, he was in fact making scheme changes, assignment changes, etc. to the point the defensive players didn't even know their assignments from one play to another.  Players were quoted as saying they were confused.  Not sure if Nick made that decision or Howie, but that was disastrous.

If Howie had his fingerprints on this Patricia stuff, it's really tough to look your head coach in the eye and tell him "sorry, coach -- we didn't meet expectations and we're making a change.  We're gonna have to let you go."  All the while, the head coach sitting there thinking "But I did what I was instructed to do .... " 

 

47 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Interesting to see you with this take.  I can't say I disagree, but it is very interesting.  What I struggle with is the Super Bowl run last year, and the 10-1 start to this year.  What allowed those things to happen if Sirianni is so bad?  All evidence would seem to point towards that being the case...

But, how can someone seemingly so incompetent push so many right buttons so many times in a row to get the team where this team was... and then push so many wrong buttons?  

 

It just doesn't add up.  I can't figure it out.  

I was actually surprised with JRs take as well. I thought he was on the don't fire Nick side. I 100% agree with him though

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I was actually surprised with JRs take as well. I thought he was on the don't fire Nick side. I 100% agree with him though

Agreed... on both counts.

1 hour ago, devpool said:

Part of his pre-snap mechanics part should include getting to the line in time to even assess the defense. So infuriating all season long seeing them line up with less than 10 seconds 

Unfortunately, 90% of that is on the OC and offensive system. As an example, play calls in the WCO spell out formation, motion, and assignments in an itemized fashion which mean calls can take 7-10 seconds to radio in to the QB, who then has to take another 7-10 seconds to relay all of it in the huddle, and then you double up that time for any cases where it has to be repeated if any of it was missed. This is in contrast to the super simple spread playbooks that someone like Chip used to call from (by design since he used flash cards), which were often 3 or 4 word phrases, rather than 10-15 words from more complex systems.

Playcallers in these systems have to be quick and decisive with the playsheet as every second is precious if you want the offense to get lined up quick enough to get a good look at the defense.This is the main reason why younger QBs in these systems use an armband, since it cuts way down on the time needed to radio in the calls; the OC just has to give a number, and then QB can read it verbatim from the band without worrying about missing anything. Checks and alerts also have to be super simple as a result, you have no choice otherwise you'd constantly be snapping the ball with less than 3s on the play clock. Manageable at home, but a disaster waiting to happen on the road in noisy conditions.

We always had this problem in the McNabb days because the verbiage from Reid's system was just too long to allow for much reading pre-snap if you had to make a quick check, we just never seemed to have the time to do anything more elaborate like Peyton would do (in fact, he'd often call his own plays in many situations like when going no-huddle to buy himself extra time.)

This is a peculiar comment because Amy is typically very reserved and thoughtful when discussing such things as she used to be an NFL CEO. Maybe we’re about to see a Dakian playoff moment out of BP

 

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Sirianni gave away play calling last year to Steichen. He reassigned defensive play calling to Patricia. He hired all those guys and didn’t take back playcalling. Ergo, he’s worse than two guys he hired and both the guys after Gannon were terrible. Can his a$$. 

Not necessarily…

some managers are reluctant to disempower their people

 

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Sirianni gave away play calling last year to Steichen. He reassigned defensive play calling to Patricia. He hired all those guys and didn’t take back playcalling. Ergo, he’s worse than two guys he hired and both the guys after Gannon were terrible. Can his a$$. 

Gannon wasn't really any good either. He just had vastly superior talent on defense compared to what we have now. Give him this defense and he would've crap the bed too.