2 hours ago, NOTW said:

Anyone but the 49ers, but the Lions are the only shot to beat them.  

Greenbay looked damn good. They get that run game going they have a shot.

1 minute ago, judunno said:

Greenbay looked damn good. They get that run game going they have a shot.

I would add Green Bay is one of the hottest teams in the league. They went into Detroit and smacked Detroit. I don’t think they beat the 49ers but I think if they play their best game they will make that more competitive then people think.  

34 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

So Sirianni will be the "head coach" with guys like Reich and Rivera as the coordinators holding his hand? Pretty obvious the front office is more concerned with having good coordinators and a head coach they can control and tell what to do rather than having a great head coach.

Obviously,  Eagles fans don't care at all if the Eagles look like a garbage organization by firing a HC who takes the Eagles to the playoffs every year,  even the Super Bowl,  but the Eagles don't want to be a garbage organization.  

 

6 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Obviously,  Eagles fans don't care at all if the Eagles look like a garbage organization by firing a HC who takes the Eagles to the playoffs every year,  even the Super Bowl,  but the Eagles don't want to be a garbage organization.  

 

A lot of Eagles fans have questionable at best ability to analyze something in the long term scope, especially when they get emotional. And this year they are very, very emotional.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Interesting to see you with this take.  I can't say I disagree, but it is very interesting.  What I struggle with is the Super Bowl run last year, and the 10-1 start to this year.  What allowed those things to happen if Sirianni is so bad?  All evidence would seem to point towards that being the case...

But, how can someone seemingly so incompetent push so many right buttons so many times in a row to get the team where this team was... and then push so many wrong buttons?  

 

It just doesn't add up.  I can't figure it out.  

They weren't pushing the right buttons early in the season, they were getting lucky. They were the personification of "better to be lucky than good". The same issues that people have been complaining about the last 2 months have been issues all year long, but since they were winning early no one cared

F Brian Johnson and F sirianni

 

 

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

So Sirianni will be the "head coach" with guys like Reich and Rivera as the coordinators holding his hand? Pretty obvious the front office is more concerned with having good coordinators and a head coach they can control and tell what to do rather than having a great head coach.

Great head coach? Do you think those just grow on trees or something? Most hires are pretty mid, hate to break it to you.

Here's the thing. When you hire young coaches, they are less experienced, and typically need more growth than ones who are older and more experienced. Shocker, right?

Both of Doug's coordinators were older and more experienced than he was. And he had a background of learning tons of systems being a long time NFL backup QB.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Doubt the Chiefs let him leave 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Doubt the Chiefs let him leave 

Actually think there’s a better chance jaylon Johnson makes it considering the bears were trying to deal him 

12 minutes ago, devpool said:

They weren't pushing the right buttons early in the season, they were getting lucky. They were the personification of "better to be lucky than good". The same issues that people have been complaining about the last 2 months have been issues all year long, but since they were winning early no one cared

The buttons were being pushed right enough to get by.  No doubt they were very lucky in some situations, especially late.  BUT... the offense was better early than it was late.   Seems that the 49ers game... EVERYTHING changed.   Maybe it was the fact that the 9ers gave out the blueprint on how to shut them down... or maybe it broke their brains, I don't know.  But, earlier in the year they didn't look completely and totally inept like they ended up looking at the end.

8 minutes ago, devpool said:

They weren't pushing the right buttons early in the season, they were getting lucky. They were the personification of "better to be lucky than good". The same issues that people have been complaining about the last 2 months have been issues all year long, but since they were winning early no one cared

Wasn't luck, it was tape. The tape caught up with them. The 49ers went in with a specific plan to deal with the Eagles, you could tell they circled it on their calendar like 5 times. And then after that, teams copied the tape and build on the concepts.

I've said it before, the issue isn't really Nick, it's that Nick's school of scheme isn't very effective. There's multiple offenses in the league that can work theoretically, but some are more natural in the NFL than others. Nick's isn't natural in the NFL. Steichen can make it work because his micro understanding of it is better than the rest of them, but I think what really needs to happen is it needs to be combined with more concepts.

And this is the risk you run with young coaches. If you want to avoid this problem you have to hire people with a little more experience. Every single young coach has the risk of this problem. Because the tape eventually catches up to you, and if you don't have a deep set of tools, and also have literally no help, you can easily get stuck barring being generational.

And generational coaches just don't grow on trees.

 

17 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Wasn't luck, it was tape. The tape caught up with them. The 49ers went in with a specific plan to deal with the Eagles, you could tell they circled it on their calendar like 5 times. And then after that, teams copied the tape and build on the concepts.

I've said it before, the issue isn't really Nick, it's that Nick's school of scheme isn't very effective. There's multiple offenses in the league that can work theoretically, but some are more natural in the NFL than others. Nick's isn't natural in the NFL. Steichen can make it work because his micro understanding of it is better than the rest of them, but I think what really needs to happen is it needs to be combined with more concepts.

And this is the risk you run with young coaches. If you want to avoid this problem you have to hire people with a little more experience. Every single young coach has the risk of this problem. Because the tape eventually catches up to you, and if you don't have a deep set of tools, and also have literally no help, you can easily get stuck barring being generational.

And generational coaches just don't grow on trees.

It was luck. Call it whatever you want, averages or whatever but they were benefiting from opposing teams losing games, they weren't winning a lot of games. This team was easily one play oer game away from being 4-7 to start the season. And you might be thinking "oh you can say that about a lot of teams". No you can't,  not a lot of good teams. You can say that about mediocre and bad teams, which is what we were this season.

Good teams don't leave their victories to chance, like a team dropping an easy TD or missing a chip shot field goal. They win decisively. That doesn't mean blowing every team out, but controlling TOP, winning the turnover battle, etc. This team wasn't doing that early but they were winning, indicating a lot luck. Their luck ran out and then they went 1-5.

 

 

56 minutes ago, devpool said:

They weren't pushing the right buttons early in the season, they were getting lucky. They were the personification of "better to be lucky than good". The same issues that people have been complaining about the last 2 months have been issues all year long, but since they were winning early no one cared

Yup. A lot of us kept saying those were some ugly wins but people would just respond with "a win is a win"

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I think a lot of people forget he is also only 22 years old. This kid can be really great.

 

 

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

For me, it all comes down to who hired Matt Patricia and who promoted Matt Patricia.  If that was Sirianni, then Nick should be fired.  I think it was Howie.

When Patricia was hired on April 20 it was a clusterf___.  I didn't even believe the initial reporting because it made no sense for the Eagles to bring him in at that stage.  Then it disappeared from the team's website.  Howie and Nick were about to give a PC to discuss Hurts' extension and the new additions to the coaching staff, and the press asked Nick if Patricia had in fact been hired or not.  Nick's response was "it's trending towards" .... that tells me he wasn't a Nick hire.  If Nick hired Patricia, he'd have said "Yes, I've hired Matt Patricia and we're putting pen to paper" -- or something like that.  Bringing in a "senior defensive assistant" at a late juncture is more a Howie/Lurie thing to do.

Next came the story that Patricia had been promoted to defensive play caller.  Another clusterf___, because where Patricia was supposed to be calling Desai's defense, he was in fact making scheme changes, assignment changes, etc. to the point the defensive players didn't even know their assignments from one play to another.  Players were quoted as saying they were confused.  Not sure if Nick made that decision or Howie, but that was disastrous.

If Howie had his fingerprints on this Patricia stuff, it's really tough to look your head coach in the eye and tell him "sorry, coach -- we didn't meet expectations and we're making a change.  We're gonna have to let you go."  All the while, the head coach sitting there thinking "But I did what I was instructed to do .... " 

 

McManus reported Howie wanted Patricia in the offseason and put his office down the hall from him. 

1 hour ago, devpool said:

They weren't pushing the right buttons early in the season, they were getting lucky. They were the personification of "better to be lucky than good". The same issues that people have been complaining about the last 2 months have been issues all year long, but since they were winning early no one cared

Not true. They were very clearly a better team in those games. The only reason any of their wins were close was because the eagles would turn it over 2-3 times each game. On the non-turnover plays, generally things were functioning very well.

By the end of the season they really just sucket. D got worse. Offense couldnt move the ball. Just look at the Tampa Bay games and see the difference in the team. 25-11 in the first meeting. And then blown out in the playoffs. You think luck would have affected the outcome of our playoff game? Hell, we HAD luck (dropped passes by TB) and it couldnt even keep us close. Thats how bad they became. 

You cant seriously think the difference in results of these games hinged solely on a few lucky bounces. So much more went wrong than that. And this team WAS a damn good team earlier in the year.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I didnt realize Snead was playing CB now. He started as a safty. He is a nice fit because he can do both. I think Id rather have him at safety. 

1 hour ago, devpool said:

F Brian Johnson and F sirianni

 

and dont forget F Jalen Hurts.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I didnt realize Snead was playing CB now. He started as a safty. He is a nice fit because he can do both. I think Id rather have him at safety. 

I actually would love to get savage. He’s having a bounce back year but also won’t break the bank. 

7 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

McManus reported Howie wanted Patricia in the offseason and put his office down the hall from him. 

I love it how a whole bunch of people who have no idea what the layout of the NovaCare Complex is like can take that line about "office down the hall from him" and assign so much meaning to it. 

What hall is it? What floor is it on? Where are the rest of the coaches offices? How close was it to other offices of defensive staff members? Who else had offices in the area? If it was a different area is that just because the coaching staff was already filled out and all of those regular offices were taken?

AH who cares? It must have some secret meaning and be terrible because some slimy philly media member implied so.

What an absolute DANDY of a goal by Owen Tippett