Just now, ManuManu said:

Seems like Chark is toast. 

seems kinda Quez Watkinsy at this point. He had that one TD from Bryce Young that he seemed to fumble at the goal line for no reason.... 

Hes got elite deep threat potential with the Agholor/Watkins curse.

BUT... hes about the best thing left out there right now after some other team gets Boyd. 

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

Looking at the CJGJ and White signings, it feels like the team is prioritizing splash plays on defense over consistency. Those 2, along with Huff, aren’t guys who play disciplined football. Huff doesn’t do well against the run, White is super aggressive and CJGJ is a maniac. 
 

It feels like the philosophy may be to try and have the defense make a handful of game impacting plays every week, even if they get burned on occasion as well. 

I think it’s a smart strategy.

Everything is slanted in the offenses favor anyway. I’d rather gamble on a quick turn over but allow quick TDs than force long drives which inevitably result in the other team scoring anyway.

Give me as many INTs, FFs, PBUs, sacks and TFLs as we can get. The goal should be to lead the NFL in takeaways, sacks, and 3 and outs. That type of thing. I don’t even really care about yards and scoring.

4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I could see them moving back and getting JJ since the last Michigan guy worked out for them.

What makes it curious to me is if New England moves to five and the Chargers do move up to three to get Marvin Harrison Junior, then the Cardinals are sitting there at four. They want Harrison jr. From my friend who covers the team they view him like Larry Fitzgerald. they might potentially want to trade out at that point. Meaning the giants could move up to 4 for McCarthy or Maye. If New England loves McCarthy or Maye they probably should just stay at 3. But based off reports they love Daniels and if he’s not there they’d like to trade out. I think it gets really interesting at 3 and 4 (if Harrison jr isn’t there at 4)

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He is going to come to the NFL and break tackles as well as Donnell Pumphrey. The guys from  south eastern tennessee middle southern Washington city university cant tackle. Doesnt mean hes another Deebo. 

He’s more evasive than a tackle breaker. Have you ever watched him play? Not saying I’d take him at 50 or 53. 

I forgot in this really deep RB class the Chargers signed Gus Edwards. Yikes. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

seems kinda Quez Watkinsy at this point. He had that one TD from Bryce Young that he seemed to fumble at the goal line for no reason.... 

Hes got elite deep threat potential with the Agholor/Watkins curse.

BUT... hes about the best thing left out there right now after some other team gets Boyd. 

He doesn’t run that well anymore. 

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

Looking at the CJGJ and White signings, it feels like the team is prioritizing splash plays on defense over consistency. Those 2, along with Huff, aren’t guys who play disciplined football. Huff doesn’t do well against the run, White is super aggressive and CJGJ is a maniac. 
 

It feels like the philosophy may be to try and have the defense make a handful of game impacting plays every week, even if they get burned on occasion as well. 

Elite offense with a vulnerable, but big play defense is, IMO, a recipe for winning championships.

However, historically, I don’t think the Vic Fangio philosophy aligns with that.  His specialty seems to be churning out serviceable conservative defenses.  

10 minutes ago, TEW said:

I think it’s a smart strategy.

Everything is slanted in the offenses favor anyway. I’d rather gamble on a quick turn over but allow quick TDs than force long drives which inevitably result in the other team scoring anyway.

Give me as many INTs, FFs, PBUs, sacks and TFLs as we can get. The goal should be to lead the NFL in takeaways, sacks, and 3 and outs. That type of thing. I don’t even really care about yards and scoring.

Agreed, but does Fangio agree?

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Elite offense with a vulnerable, but big play defense is, IMO, a recipe for winning championships.

However, historically, I don’t think the Vic Fangio philosophy aligns with that.  His specialty seems to be churning out serviceable conservative defenses.  

I think Fangio has varied his scheme through the years more than he’s given credit for because they named a style after him

11 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

He’s more evasive than a tackle breaker. Have you ever watched him play? Not saying I’d take him at 50 or 53. 

A little just to see what all the deebo comps are about and I keep coming away unimpressed. 

For a littler guy I want either better speed, or harder running. 

I think he's too average at everything. 

I don't see him pulling his same tricks against NFLers

 

Just now, pgcd3 said:

I think Fangio has varied his scheme through the years more than he’s given credit for because they named a style after him

I don’t watch enough football anymore to know that.  But the Vic Fangio brand just is sort of the Toyota of defenses.  Does a decent job, nothing flashy, A to B, keep it in front.  Maybe it’s different in reality, but that seems to be the rep.

Howie throwing a lot of bandaids again.  Only Huff, CJGJ signed long term, couple years for Barkley.  All the rest on one year deals and mostly prove it deals.  Hennessy prove health.  White prove getting benched was not a reflection of your ability.  Parker prove you still have something left.  Baun prove you are a LB.  You can throw Okwara and Kinnard into that bunch too.  

Draft for the future has to take that into consideration when ranking BPAs.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Agreed, but does Fangio agree?

Doubt it. He didn’t let Ramsey shadow and play in the slot like he wanted because it changed the rules of his defense. Structure is important. Two freelancers can destroy the structure and viability of the scheme. 

Being more aggressive and risk taking within the structure is something Fangio has done. He did it in the playoffs against KC after all his pass rushers were injured. 

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Howie throwing a lot of bandaids again.  Only Huff, CJGJ signed long term, couple years for Barkley.  All the rest on one year deals and mostly prove it deals.  Hennessy prove health.  White prove getting benched was not a reflection of your ability.  Parker prove you still have something left.  Baun prove you are a LB.  You can throw Okwara and Kinnard into that bunch too.  

Draft for the future has to take that into consideration when ranking BPAs.

That’s typically how free agency works. A few multi-year bets and the others are let’s see how it goes

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don’t watch enough football anymore to know that.  But the Vic Fangio brand just is sort of the Toyota of defenses.  Does a decent job, nothing flashy, A to B, keep it in front.  Maybe it’s different in reality, but that seems to be the rep.

His defense seems to force offenses in to long drives. 

The more plays,  the more likely a pass rusher either gets a sack to put them behind the chains in down and distance,  or forces a turn over. Or, the offense commits a penalty to put themselves behind again. False start, hold, etc.

It seems to rely on the law of averages. It's very hard for an offense to spend a game putting together 10, 12, 14 play scoring drives. And doing it well enough,  consistent enough to score a lot of points.  Be solid enough that the other team is going to make the first mistake. And just a few stops means our offense outscores theirs.

The DL has to create that havoc to force those mistakes,  or get a sack. 

 

We do lack turnover making players,  so we were without one of the ways we could stop a long drive. 

And our DL wasn't as effective as it needed to be either. Not finishing sacks. 

And pressures turned in to no contain rushes,  QB scrambles and finds a WR for a chunk play and a 1st down.  Far too often. Rather than pressure forcing mistakes. When we got it, it often still didn't work in our favor. 

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Howie throwing a lot of bandaids again.  Only Huff, CJGJ signed long term, couple years for Barkley.  All the rest on one year deals and mostly prove it deals.  Hennessy prove health.  White prove getting benched was not a reflection of your ability.  Parker prove you still have something left.  Baun prove you are a LB.  You can throw Okwara and Kinnard into that bunch too.  

Draft for the future has to take that into consideration when ranking BPAs.

No one signed is a clear band-aid. White probably is, but he's still young. Hennessy and Parker are depth so who cares. Baun is a backup for Reddick/Smith; I don't know where people are getting off-ball LB from.

Barkley, Huff, and CJGJ are multi year guys.

I have mixed feelings on the haul. If they get a good, healthy version of Barkley, what they think Bryce Huff is, and 2022 CJGJ, it'll be a worthwhile group. I'd rather have splurged on McKinney or Queen, but I'm in the minority.

Extend/restructure Reddick, sign Simmons, trade Sweat, trade for a CB (if feasible), head into draft

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This one is a bit odd. Bad coverage which Fangio will want someone good at it but good blitzer which Fangio barely does. 

Gave up the highest yards per reception?

 

He’ll fit right in. 

At this point, I don’t know if Sweat fetches the return we were hoping for. Maybe it’s best we do a 2025 conditional 3rd that could be a 2nd. 
 

I think Bears would like that trade. They already have 2 2nd rd picks next year. With Trade for Allen + Sweat, draft Caleb & OL @ 9. That’s suddenly a roster that can compete. 

For us it’s probably not ideal right now, but might be what has to be done. 

 

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Extend/restructure Reddick, sign Simmons, trade Sweat, trade for a CB (if feasible), head into draft

Assuming the price is dropping for Simmons and the Reddick contract opens up 10+ million in addition to what we already still have left,  that does all seem feasible.

Wouldn’t call it the worse but it’s not pretty. Their oline also has issues 

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Wouldn’t call it the worse but it’s not pretty. Their oline also has issues 

 

That’s how I know a teenager is running that Twitter. I know Chargers OL + skill players leaves a lot to be desired. But you’ll never convince me that’s a bottom 5 offense with Herbert at QB + Slater on the OL. They’ll get back on track soon, just gotta get out of cap issues

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Wouldn’t call it the worse but it’s not pretty. Their oline also has issues 

 

They’ve done Herbert so dirty throughout his career. 

41 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Parker really seemed like a post-draft type of signing for like WR5. I dont get why the heck that happened so early. Not that it took up any cap space really so it doesnt matter. But its still a head scratcher. 

I didn't mind parker being signed but, like you said timing was weird. I wonder if they go early after a WR for the 3rd option with the long term outlook of possibly replacing AJ

2 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

They’ve done Herbert so dirty throughout his career. 

100% agree