January 25, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, NOTW said: This year: 20/32, 253 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, passer rating 107.9, Dallas lost the game. 2021 Fangio HC of Broncos: 19/39, 232 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, passer rating 73.9, Dallas lost the game. 2019: Fangio DC of Bears: 19/24, 248 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, passer rating 123.6, Dallas lost the game. Well decent stat lines but he did lose them all.
January 25, 20241 yr 48 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: Well decent stat lines but he did lose them all. "Winning is the only thing that matters."
January 25, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Uscg-green said: Well decent stat lines but he did lose them all. The Broncos one was all garbage time as well. They were up 30-0 at one point. Something to always keep in mind with Dak statlines Teams drafting in the top 10, teams up by 3 possessions for most of the game, and teams coordinated by Sean Desai. Play well against those 3 opponents, regardless of how you do against every else and even the Dallas Cowboys will happily hand over a 60m$ a year contract
January 25, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Gannan said: I don't hate the Fangio hiring. The defense is built around his philosophy. If we went with a Blitz heavy scheme it kind of negates all the investments we made in the line. We need a good defensive staff to get the most out of the young guys we have. I am much more concerned with the offense. The defense simply needs more talent at LB and in the secondary. The offensive scheme is fundamentally broken. If they just bring in an OC to run the same playbook, it doesn't matter who it is, we will be lucky to win more than 3 games. It is absolutely broken you are right and Nick doesn't know how to fix it.
January 25, 20241 yr Fangio will be a great hire. He had a bunch of injuries with the Dolphins this year and the D still showed up most weeks outside of that Ravens game. He is an old LB'er coach so I would expect some changes to the unit, he also runs mainly a 3-4 rather than the hybrid D the Eagles were trying to run with Gannon and then Desai. They aren't going to come out and be a top 10 unit right away, they'll get better as the year goes on and then after another off-season and adding more personnel that fit a 3-4 scheme we'll likely see the jump.
January 25, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, kiwieagle said: Brandon Staley as LB coach Renaldo Hill as DB coach (or Sean Desai is back ) Better yet, bring back Dennard Wilson as DB coach. We cleared out the guy that we hired instead of him, and bring in a guy anyone would want to learn under for a year before becoming DC right? One can dream...
January 25, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said: He runs an Air Raid offense. Lots of info on line. Its the Hal Mumme offense. I don't believe you win long term with it, although we do have 2 stud WRs to make it go. Yeah agreed I think it’s a short term success but not long term. But hey who knows with the talent we have on offense.
January 25, 20241 yr Still think one of the biggest problems is they're going out of their way to baby Hurts. If it were me, as in I were the head coach, and I was a guy who knew a fairly weird Reich Chargers scheme as my primary and knew I needed help, I'd actually bring in someone with a more traditional/under center oriented approach, something with deep roots and longevity. Because I think at the end of the day, the three step and five step drop from under center has been around for decades and there's a reason for that. It's really REALLY time to stop babying Jalen Hurts already. I think that's actually one of the biggest mistakes this season. Jalen's historically been in the shotgun more, so we don't line up under center despite having a powerful offensive line. I think the mix is traditional + wrinkle when it comes to offenses - you want to mix traditional with something to spice it up. Like Doug's WCO roots and Reich's K-gun roots. Seems like a missed opportunity if they choose this but we'll see what they actually do. I think the most discouraging thing was that Howie was clearly said to be apart of this search, and these are the first couple offensive candidates. That suggests a problem in the FO above Sirianni's head. I hope I'm wrong.
January 25, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said: Still think one of the biggest problems is they're going out of their way to baby Hurts. If it were me, as in I were the head coach, and I was a guy who knew a fairly weird Reich Chargers scheme as my primary and knew I needed help, I'd actually bring in someone with a more traditional/under center oriented approach, something with deep roots and longevity. Because I think at the end of the day, the three step and five step drop from under center has been around for decades and there's a reason for that. It's really REALLY time to stop babying Jalen Hurts already. I think that's actually one of the biggest mistakes this season. Jalen's historically been in the shotgun more, so we don't line up under center despite having a powerful offensive line. I think the mix is traditional + wrinkle when it comes to offenses - you want to mix traditional with something to spice it up. Like Doug's WCO roots and Reich's K-gun roots. Seems like a missed opportunity if they choose this but we'll see what they actually do. I think the most discouraging thing was that Howie was clearly said to be apart of this search, and these are the first couple offensive candidates. That suggests a problem in the FO above Sirianni's head. I hope I'm wrong. They just fired his OC who is a close family friend whom he has known since he was 4 years old and they are "babying Hurts?" Please tell me you are doing a schtick here or something.
January 25, 20241 yr 33 minutes ago, T-1000 said: They just fired his OC who is a close family friend whom he has known since he was 4 years old and they are "babying Hurts?" Please tell me you are doing a schtick here or something. No, I'm saying that I think up to this offseason they've been babying Hurts. Do you actually disagree? If you look back a bit, look a the things he was being asked to run early in his time with Doug, compared to what he was asked to run last year, and then this year, you'll notice they pretty much put him in gun constantly, run the same running play an overwhelming amount of the time, and don't really do a lot that makes him use a variety of footwork, just as one example. I'm saying that I think Hurts is capable of more, and they're treating him like someone who can't handle an expansive repertoire of approaches. That's why I'm saying I feel they've babied him up to this point.
January 25, 20241 yr Author 12 hours ago, Traveler Vic said: He better change his scheme. Last year in Miami I think Fangio scheme was 19th rated?. Most of his disciples have performed worse, because other teams have figured out the scheme. So If Fungio will be out new DC...with our LBs and safeties.. Where in Miami they dedicated a ton of Money to defense...It will be bad..if the scheme is the same.
January 25, 20241 yr Author 1 hour ago, T-1000 said: They just fired his OC who is a close family friend whom he has known since he was 4 years old and they are "babying Hurts?" Please tell me you are doing a schtick here or something. I think his "babying" comment meant more that they feel the need to limit what they do on offense because of perceived limitations in Hurts capabilities. If that is accurate then I think there is some truth to that. I am in agreement with wanting to see more traditional style offense incorporated into the overall scheme ... lining up under center, play action, a downhill run game from under center instead of running out of shotgun all the time. I comment Greg Olsen made that sticks with me ... if you don't put your QB under center on early downs in the NFL you are making your QB's life very difficult.
January 25, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, time2rock said: I think his "babying" comment meant more that they feel the need to limit what they do on offense because of perceived limitations in Hurts capabilities. If that is accurate then I think there is some truth to that. I am in agreement with wanting to see more traditional style offense incorporated into the overall scheme ... lining up under center, play action, a downhill run game from under center instead of running out of shotgun all the time. I comment Greg Olsen made that sticks with me ... if you don't put your QB under center on early downs in the NFL you are making your QB's life very difficult. We need to see Hurts in a more traditional offense that allows him to do what he does best and allows this offense to flourish. If Hurts can't do that then it is simple, he isn't the answer. But right now we simply don't know with Hurts because he's had 1 exceptional year, 1 mixed year and 1 average year. Who is the real Hurts.
January 25, 20241 yr 30 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: We need to see Hurts in a more traditional offense that allows him to do what he does best and allows this offense to flourish. If Hurts can't do that then it is simple, he isn't the answer. But right now we simply don't know with Hurts because he's had 1 exceptional year, 1 mixed year and 1 average year. Who is the real Hurts. He can't run a traditional offense. If we drop him back and make him stay in the pocket, we will lose. His whole game centers around his run option and broken plays. There sure isnt much sample size of him doing standard QB play successfully.
January 25, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, time2rock said: We're talking points, but I do like the sacks and hits. Phew.
January 25, 20241 yr 24 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said: He can't run a traditional offense. If we drop him back and make him stay in the pocket, we will lose. His whole game centers around his run option and broken plays. There sure isnt much sample size of him doing standard QB play successfully. No, that's the problem. There isn't much sample size of him doing standard play to begin with. But I don't think he can't if he was taught. You look at some of the passing charts from last year (SB season) and what he was doing well, the middle of the field and timing routes were two of the big ones. And that's part of why I think them doing this is bad. Rather than seeing something he showed good flashes at and pushing to develop it, they're letting him stand pat. Not the way you win in this league.
January 25, 20241 yr except of Johnson, Desai and Patricia, do we know others coaches who won't be back ou fired?
January 25, 20241 yr I was thinking the other day... I remember during the Doug days there was such a focus on the positional coaches. Maybe that was during the latter years when we struggled but I do recall every off season we talked about needing to change the WR coach or needing a new DB coach. But the last 2-3 years there hasn't been much talk or focus on those positions. Is that due to us being relatively good and successful? Takes the heat away from those guys?
January 25, 20241 yr I’m guessing coordinators will have a say in the position coaches, minus Stoutland. Hopefully he’s a lifer here. Aside from him, and perhaps Clay, what other unit has shown growth and development? Not much if anything. Everyone else should be on high alert.
January 25, 20241 yr One position coach we lost last year that likely hurt us was Dennard Wilson. In 2022 under the coaching of Wilson (and Gannon who was also a DB coach previously), Slay and Bradberry had their best seasons. We had more interceptions and sacks defensively. I don't know if DK McDonald is an issue or not. But in 2023, the DBs did not respond as positively to the collective coaching as they did in 2022. There were a lot of factors, but the players just didn't play as well.
January 25, 20241 yr If they're gonna stick with this style of defense, at least they have the perfect guy to implement it. *fingers crossed*
January 25, 20241 yr So much for fresh ideas, I guess that only applies to the offense, lol. Best of luck to him especially since he has no linebackers.
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