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35 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Great addition IMO

30 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I hope we can pick him up lol NOT

Eagles Injury Report

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TE Dallas Goedert (Knee)
QB Tanner McKee (Right Thumb)
RB Will Shipley (Oblique)

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G Landon Dickerson (Back)
OLB Jalyx Hunt (Hip)

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

Default 4-3 and 3-4 are the historical answers, although 3-4 is a Johnny Come Lately compared to the 4-3. And the eventual inclusion of the 3-4 as equivalent to the 4-3 back in the day gives us a good sense of what the answer to your question is … that the "base defense” is the one the team uses most frequently. So Fangio’s base is the 4-2-5 he deployed throughout the game in SB59.

Another reason it is his base is that (I believe) more than anything else, he wants to avoid giving up big plays, and 5 DBs supports that much more than 4DBs.

I think more so the 4-2-5 is used more now is due to one RB sets being used by the offense. Instead of the FB , the slow guy who normally blocks and isn't the athletic pass catcher... you have a 3rd WR or double TE....either is considered more of a pass catching threat than a FB.

So you need the extra DB.

Im not old enough to remember 4-3 or 3-4 inception. The Eagles plsyed a 3-4 with Charlie Johnson as the nose, pro bowl if I recall correctly. But I remember Doomsday and the Steel Curtain as 4-3 defenses.

The Giants, then the Bills SB teams had 3-4s in the 80s and 90s. The Saints with the stud LBs in their 3-4....Fangio being their coach.

49ers I remember mixing it up.

Then the stud front 4s from the Bears and Eagles teams. Some really stud defenses back then for sure!

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

Unless I missed it, Shipley is still on the roster, so Tank can’t take that spot. If Shipley were put on IR then there would be two open roster spots rather than one.

It seems to me you are using "role” and "roster spots” interchangeably. To me roster spot is simply a number between 1 and 53 or between 1 and 17 for the Practice Squad, and if Hurts got injured and went on the IR, roster spot 53 would open up.

JMO

Semantics... Tank is here because Shipley is hurt. Probably didn't put him on IR to give away the need and give Jax the leverage to ask for more. I believe he is allowed to go on IR and they can retro it back to the KC game if needed. We shall see.

But I don't care about the technical aspect of the roster spot...im more concerned of the function of the player...similar to not caring how anyone labels Ojomo...he functions as a DT in a 4 man front for most if not almost all his snaps, just like Tank is replacing Shipley , Tank isn't a FB.

Just like I don't care about how the Eagles manipulate the practice squad. We know now for a few years that PS players can play in games..guys will come and go...put on the 53 and then released ..and then on the PS...and then off the PS. Then on again...then maybe cut again....too many times to count.

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

Baun blitzed once...hit him clean...they got a short completion out of it.

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Semantics... Tank is here because Shipley is hurt. Probably didn't put him on IR to give away the need and give Jax the leverage to ask for more. I believe he is allowed to go on IR and they can retro it back to the KC game if needed. We shall see.

But I don't care about the technical aspect of the roster spot...im more concerned of the function of the player...similar to not caring how anyone labels Ojomo...he functions as a DT in a 4 man front for most if not almost all his snaps, just like Tank is replacing Shipley , Tank isn't a FB.

I understand your perspective/concern. That is why if I were you I would use role/position rather than roster spot. The OP was referring to what you call "the technical aspect" in his post which I copied and pasted here. As a result you didn't connect with the point he was making.

I respectfully disagree about Ojomo. Fangio's front is a 2-4 hybrid of the more traditional 3-4. Ojomo is definitely not a 3-4 Nose Tackle. He is a 3-4 DE. When Davis is in there is one NT and one DE and two OLBs. When Davis is out there are two DEs and two OLBs. Ojomo at 293 is too small to be a 4-3 DT, which is why he fell so far in the Draft.

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Baun blitzed once...hit him clean...they got a short completion out of it.

Are you sure. Baun certainly pass rushed, but I suspect either Smith or Hunt dropped off into coverage rather than rushing the passer.

16 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Just like I don't care about how the Eagles manipulate the practice squad. We know now for a few years that PS players can play in games..guys will come and go...put on the 53 and then released ..and then on the PS...and then off the PS. Then on again...then maybe cut again....too many times to count.

FWIW, so far Howie has had 23 different players on the 17-man Practice Squad. Gabe Hall will almost surely be #24.

4 hours ago, mattwill said:

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No not 1 game per week!!!! Ham would have FITS of rage because we aren't planning for week15 LOL

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

I understand your perspective/concern. That is why if I were you I would use role/position rather than roster spot. The OP was referring to what you call "the technical aspect" in his post which I copied and pasted here. As a result you didn't connect with the point he was making.

I respectfully disagree about Ojomo. Fangio's front is a 2-4 hybrid of the more traditional 3-4. Ojomo is definitely not a 3-4 Nose Tackle. He is a 3-4 DE. When Davis is in there is one NT and one DE and two OLBs. When Davis is out there are two DEs and two OLBs. Ojomo at 293 is too small to be a 4-3 DT, which is why he fell so far in the Draft.

Never said Ojomo was a NT....simply pointing out...he will lineup next to one other interior DL on most of his snaps.. which is basically the role of a DT in a 4 man front. That's how the Eagles run their front for the most part. When Ojomo plays . He will be next to one of Carter or Davis or one of the other DTs...with 2 edges outside... the basic fundamentals of a 4 man line.

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

I understand your perspective/concern. That is why if I were you I would use role/position rather than roster spot. The OP was referring to what you call "the technical aspect" in his post which I copied and pasted here. As a result you didn't connect with the point he was making.

I respectfully disagree about Ojomo. Fangio's front is a 2-4 hybrid of the more traditional 3-4. Ojomo is definitely not a 3-4 Nose Tackle. He is a 3-4 DE. When Davis is in there is one NT and one DE and two OLBs. When Davis is out there are two DEs and two OLBs. Ojomo at 293 is too small to be a 4-3 DT, which is why he fell so far in the Draft.

So you agree then that it can't be a 3-4...if there aren't the 3 interior DL on the field in the first place...the line will function like a 4 man front.

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

Are you sure. Baun certainly pass rushed, but I suspect either Smith or Hunt dropped off into coverage rather than rushing the passer.

Was a blitz....he came from the LB spot. .starting well behind the line... they could have dropped someone in coverage

Again .. technical anal BS...or do we concern ourselves with the relevant function?

If a safety rushed the QB....does it really matter if a DE drops back into coverage? The blitz itself refers to the element of surprise being rushed from an unexpected source.... does it really matter the number of rushers?

If the call is a double corner blitz....but Carter and Davis drop back into coverage. ... do ee really want to be the kid that gets wedgies because " technically it's not a blitz " or do we understand the reality of the situation?

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

FWIW, so far Howie has had 23 different players on the 17-man Practice Squad. Gabe Hall will almost surely be #24.

That's awesome...it means so much to me. Again it's not a new element...the PS is a revolving door...because the needs can change week to week... and they also want to keep as many of these players in the loop and under some kind of control.

Very good strategy that isn't new. We should expect this by now...and we should expect to lose a player to another team during this process. It is what it is. More than half won't see the field anyway.

39 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No not 1 game per week!!!! Ham would have FITS of rage because we aren't planning for week15 LOL

Imagine how good 2024 could have finished if we were actually building something 🙄🙄

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

So you agree then that it can't be a 3-4...if there aren't the 3 interior DL on the field in the first place...the line will function like a 4 man front.

I see most of the formations as 4-2-5

9 hours ago, joemas6 said:

base" defense? Is it the default 4-3 or 3-4?

Simple what our actual roster says it is eagles home depth chart shows it as the 3-4 it’s not a debate for me it’s just facts…. We can say Vic uses 4-3 looks, we play mostly in sub packages like the nickel…. But end of the day official Eagles depth chart says our base D is a 3-4

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No not 1 game per week!!!! Ham would have FITS of rage because we aren't planning for week15 LOL

Lord help us if we actually attempt to improve and develop as the season goes along

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Simple what our actual roster says it is eagles home depth chart shows it as the 3-4 it’s not a debate for me it’s just facts…. We can say Vic uses 4-3 looks, we play mostly in sub packages like the nickel…. But end of the day official Eagles depth chart says our base D is a 3-4

It has 12 players as starters on D