21 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I suggested Barmore that first draft in the second round. No Mas remembers.

Yeah....Dickerson worked out just ok so far though.    But that's why I said i liked the pick...because at the time the DL was the obvious positional need... Dickerson, especially coming off the injury, was obviously a choice they made due to rating him highest at that pick.   

I agree with how they weigh positions...I've stated all along,my problem with them is when I think they would draft Todd Herrimans and pass on Ray Lewis.  

Ham's point of view with Hamilton and Jordan Davis can absolutely have the potential for the same idea.    

Earl Thomas and Graham was that same thing early in their careers.  

I can live with average to slightly above average lineman over a little better LB or S...  can't pass up the studs though for just slightly above average. 

That's the extreme I get annoyed with when it happens.  

16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Kind of amazed we have such a basic opposite viewpoint on what our team was doing out there. I see how they purposely blurred the lines some to hybrid a 3-4 with a bit of 4-3 crossthreading. But when you look back under Gannon. Remember how with quality LBs they just had clean up duties. That the Dline two gapped and covered for the LB to make the plays. In the 4-3 the Dline just penetrated disrupting lanes. They didn’t protect LBs looking for anybody else to clean up behind them. They disrupted and made plays. Saw a total different mindset…I thought.

I gotta be honest... you can run whatever you want up front....the ten yard cushions behind it, was the issue.   And absolutely why when using that 5 man line with the 3 bigger guys in the middle... killed us vs the pass.  5 guys on the line.. 4 guys 8 yards off ...and two more 30 yards deep... not much of a pass defense there.

Think that’s the bumpy start for Cox under Siri. He was facing becoming a FA and they wanted him to play like a 3-4 DT. Hold his ground on two gaps so others can make plays isn’t the path to getting paid big money as a FA. Him showing he wasn’t to old and still could penetrate and play in the backfield was the path to future paydays. So it understandably wasn’t easy. Being a good teammate and taking one for the team was directly against his financial and families gain. But in the twilight of Fletch career this is a role he’s still capable of fulfilling at a high level. He’s still strong. Can hold up against double teams. Doesn’t get smoked getting off on snaps. Doesn’t get blown back. 

But it’s a world where Hargrave doesn’t hold up against double teams yet penetrates for stats and makes the huge money. So accepting not being in that opportunity for that role is a challenge. 

Early thoughts prevailed that Cox had lost a step and was washed up. But it was the scheme change. Maybe age caught him slacking a bit in not working out like a freak all offseason too. But I haven’t seen Fletch lose everything in my eyes. He isn’t at his peak. But he’s the best DT we have. Things really fell apart for this team and D. But wasn’t on Fletch. He actually was the rock. Played so many more snaps than I expected. Carter started strong. But doesn’t have the all around game or technique yet. Ran out of steam hard rookie season there. But Davis just hasn’t given us much yet. Started both seasons good. But just couldn’t/ can’t handle a full load in the NFL.

Carter had a fairly normal first season. As far as starting well but not being ready and trained for a full pro long season. Hit a rookie wall. More coaching and weight training followed up by just learning to manage his body and pace himself for all that. Davis however looks light years away from just a rookie wall situation.

Davis just looks like he’ll never be capable of playing a heavy rotation all season. If he doesn’t wear out physicality and mentally his body will under the stress of such a large man.

Have my doubts about both Georgia DT we drafted so high. Both huge freak athletes. But don’t think either will step up and train enough to be great. Milton transformed his body and worked like he meant business. I can rely on a guy like him much more. He’s big and fast too. A freak in any other setting of life not compared to the two high pick Georgia DT in front of him. I have my doubts Carter or Davis will have better careers than Milton. His hunger and dedication forces him to be relevant. Consistent. I don’t see either Georgia DT transforming his body and fully commiting like that. 

Carter and Davis never had to work for it before. I fear they won’t embrace the opportunity. Davis didn’t do near enough year two. Looked out of shape and lost never getting off any blocks second half of the season. Carter I just see as distracted. Wants the payday of football. But doesn’t bleed green. Probably already had enough praise blown up his butt he is harder to coach going forward. Will he commit to give his all to his craft? Will he accept the coaching to grow to where he can potentially become? I see character warning signs. He’s the opposite of how you look at pros like Hurts and others. Just can’t see him becoming the hard worker that dedicates himself to become great.  

54 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Five men at the line just screams …one less man in coverage.

Yea when you have Sweat who can’t drop I coverage and 4 DTs on the line or best case you ah e Reddick who you think dropping.

Having the edge guys that can blitz and still not be complete liabilities makes a huge difference. Again that’s the most simple 34 concept the ability to confuse teams on which 4 guys your sending 

Think need to start looking into what was such an easy sell of drafting guys from the college dominating D from Georgia. Dean really hasn’t shown anything either.

Then you can add to that can send both edges can drop both edges blitz the interior LB can only rush the front 3 

but having 5 guys up front and not knowing which 4 in the rushers simple but effective… You said Sweat was a 43 DE teams knew he was coming was no confusion when he was on the field…. 

24 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Early thoughts prevailed that Cox had lost a step and was washed up. But it was the scheme change. Maybe age caught him slacking a bit in not working out like a freak all offseason too. But I haven’t seen Fletch lose everything in my eyes. He isn’t at his peak. But he’s the best DT we have. Things really fell apart for this team and D. But wasn’t on Fletch. He actually was the rock. Played so many more snaps than I expected. Carter started strong. But doesn’t have the all around game or technique yet. Ran out of steam hard rookie season there. But Davis just hasn’t given us much yet. Started both seasons good. But just couldn’t/ can’t handle a full load in the NFL.

The game where Cox got hurt early and left....forcing Carter and Davis to play all those snaps ( Milton was out too)  that's when the defense ran out of gas. 

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Carter I just see as distracted.

If that’s a distracted Carter and he still gets 6.5 sacks just shows the superior talent he has lol rest is on the coaches to maximize it 

Even the fans optimistically high on Nolan Smith potential have to admit they have doubts about his future after year one. Tough to break into a lead pass rush role here. But gotta expect a more NFL ready prospect coming in the first round. Not like he had to adjust from some small school level college ball either. 

But a big selling point on these Georgia players was supposed to be easiest transition to the NFL. Big time SEC football at big time college game atmosphere. Under top level trainers and coaching.

16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Have my doubts about both Georgia DT we drafted so high. Both huge freak athletes. But don’t think either will step up and train enough to be great. Milton transformed his body and worked like he meant business. I can rely on a guy like him much more. He’s big and fast too. A freak in any other setting of life not compared to the two high pick Georgia DT in front of him. I have my doubts Carter or Davis will have better careers than Milton. His hunger and dedication forces him to be relevant. Consistent. I don’t see either Georgia DT transforming his body and fully commiting like that. 

Milton is going into year 4... the urgency is there to make money.   The Georgia guys will feel that soon too...natural progression that we have seen so often with players, especially DL.

But not what actually occurred. None of these Georgia high picks came ready to roll. 

Trade up to top ten for Davis and he’s looked this developmental?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Nolan Smith potential have to admit they have doubts about his future after year one

Not really when he was drafted he was under sized player especially as an DE in a 43. But our pass rushers also led to him not seeing much of the field who were we subbing out to get Smtih on the field? Weren’t going to take our Sweat or Reddick and if you did spell one you had graham and we had Barnett at the start of the year.

Carter was distracted?   Being innovative on trying to catch the spike . Blocking a FG....communicating very well and everyone saying how he understands the game very well.   Idk how that was distracted?   

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But not what actually occurred. None of these Georgia high picks came ready to roll. 

Just say Howie sucks.  It's faster.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

None of these Georgia high picks came ready to roll. 

Carter had 6.5 sacks as a rookie DT on a bad Eagles D he seemed pretty ready to roll lol 

Idk how one can complain about Carter?

Is it the slow 5 year route to complain about the trade where we fleeced the Saints?

I can see already whoever we take with pick 50 you are going to take shots at.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Trade up to top ten for Davis and he’s looked this developmental?

Think Davis just isn’t conditioned that his fault and he came out and owned that… guy that size that young isn’t that shocking…. He played alright first half the year it’s just getting him to play like that the entire season