34 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We can afford to draft Ainias Smith,he costs us NOTHING(assumed round 4 pick). Why do we need to "afford" one? We have Covey we could try there. Retain Julio. he can run some slot routes. Lost a step outside,but with his size he can rotate in the slot

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32 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Idk...you tell me... probably only Tampa... then they scored at the end... it was crappy rainy weather... idk what we needed to see from the backup QBs in that situation?    Other than that... I don't recall any real garbage time? Do you?

Colts? If all our games came down to the 2 minute warning,we were nor performing anyhow

32 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

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Ham said we needed to "afford" a slot guy. No we don;t just draft my guy LOL

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Colts? If all our games came down to the 2 minute warning,we were nor performing anyhow

We didn't play the Colts this past year. There wasn't really garbage time at all.

9 hours ago, joemas6 said:

We didn't play the Colts this past year. There wasn't really garbage time at all.

Yeah it was in pre though so it doesn't count. With this offense we should have had leads to where there was garbage time.But you are right,they were all close,which shows we really weren't as good as we thought

16 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

CB in round 1. TE in round 2. Believe this should be the plan to build from this offseason. Possible they really find a tier of TE choices they believe last to the end of the third round as well. Haven’t sized up the draft to those specifics yet. 

Howie won't take a CB in round 1. End of story

14 hours ago, joemas6 said:

How is the cap money looking tight?   Did you see anything that compares the Eagles to the rest of the league? 

You make this claim... tell us how much cap space they have and where it ranks compared to the rest of the league?

https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-salary-cap-2024-rankings-offseason-eagles-commanders-saints-dolphins-bills-broncos-cowboys/#
 

projects Philly around 18th in cap space right in the middle of the pack and that is with us not cutting anyone or redoing deals 

17 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wants and needs are really high here. Even letting talented depth go and cutting bait with the old vets the cap money is looking tight. Need to retain all the guys I listed here while also affording the LB, S and RB FA vets. Cant even begin to consider the top baked like Queen and Saquan really. Need the solid vets that fit like Azeez and Whitehead. Think we all really want to find a way to afford a third slot WR option here. Him especially being a huge factor if either of our two studs is out for any key moments. 

We have plenty of cap space pay for Barkley or queen slot option or anyone else we want lol we are sitting at what roughly 20m in cap space can make moves that free up even more space…. Likely easily be walking into FAs with 35-40m in cap space.

As for the slot WR not overly concerned with it we have 2 really good options outside and pretty good TE…. KC just won it all with Kelce and makeshift WR room if we can’t figure out our passing game with what we have there is a bigger issue then not having a slot guy 

58 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

We have plenty of cap space pay for Barkley or queen slot option or anyone else we want lol we are sitting at what roughly 20m in cap space can make moves that free up even more space…. Likely easily be walking into FAs with 35-40m in cap space.

As for the slot WR not overly concerned with it we have 2 really good options outside and pretty good TE…. KC just won it all with Kelce and makeshift WR room if we can’t figure out our passing game with what we have there is a bigger issue then not having a slot guy 

Saw where cap is projected to be around $250 mil....higher than expected.  Should create more room.  

Smith is on the books for $6.4 mil cap hit.    That should go lower with an extension.  Or at least stay near the same.  Reddick will drop with an extension... Byard cut will save a ton. 

The money is there...it's just the desire. 2011...they had all the cap space in the world...signed backups everywhere... left the LBs and S spots to 3 rookies and 2 other ham and Eggers.    

It's philosophy and player selection...not lack of cap space that will be and has always been the issue.

16 hours ago, joemas6 said:

How is the cap money looking tight?   Did you see anything that compares the Eagles to the rest of the league? 

You make this claim... tell us how much cap space they have and where it ranks compared to the rest of the league?

Bottom half of the league for cap room.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Bottom half of the league for cap room.

lol with like under 4m difference between us and 16…. The point is the same we will have plenty of cap space to work with and sign players that we want. 
 

Easily should be around 40m mark if not higher come FA 

We are at what like 20m with projected cap increase cutting Byrd alone saves us what??? Like 14m that’s 34m cap space…. Extend or trade Reddick/Sweat opens more space…. Moving Bradberry possibly Maddox 

18 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/eagles-only-mock-draft-even-with-defense-needs-why-birds-should-go-offense-in-rounds-1-2/ar-BB1izgEx   Interesting take. Not what I would do however

Would say I’d be shocked if we took a QB so high but we have done that recently with Wentz-Hurts so not like we can rule It out completely 

I’m really not sure what we do this offseason.

Id love Barkley but I just want that 3 down guy I don’t want the drop off from our lead rusher but since they can’t catch or pass block we have to go to someone else like gains who wasn’t nearly as effective but again Rook plus Zeke wouldn’t be a terrible idea if we he’ll bent on the committee think Zeke has some trend left 

slot WR mid late round draft pick this should be our 4th option if we can’t get our passing game going with trio of AJ/Smith/Geodart we have bigger problems then our slot. Be it the O design or QB 

Defense needs so much 

DL- good young trio Milton/Davis/Carter depth an issue NT is a concern with Davis conditioning

Edge- Reddick if we work it out and extend is fine but still what 29-30… just don’t see Sweat as a great fit. Smith is still unknown maybe he fine maybe not…. Patrick Johnson about it on the depth side.

ILB- I know we like Dean still and Cunningham but we need to upgrade.

CB- we have talked enough about but could be looking at Slay then young guys with Maddox/Bradberyy seeing the door

S- Blankenship and Brown(when he gets healthy) nothing else. 
 

I will say outside of maybe CB, S and LB we have some good young starting options it’s mainly the depth 

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

just doubt we would take one that high right now after signing Hurts to the big contract. I mean if this was year 3 or 4 I could see it,but the timing is wrong to do it now IMO. Also if we are drafting them to trade them later,then I could see that investment,so who knows. But seems like a waste to bring a QB along,then trade him. Suppose it's possible

This is always tough we had just extended Wentx yet draft Hurts and we seen how that worked out…. Hurts hasn’t been bad but he hasn’t been the passer we need either… We have weapons AJ/Smith /Goedart lot of teams would kill for a trio weapons like that. 
 

Then you look at KC that had the most drops in the nfl last year won a SB really all Mahomes had was Kelce and Rice(who stepped up as the year went) 

As for the trade option if we drafted say Penix in the 2nd what’s the chances we get a 2nd back for him???? Or higher??? Especially if he doesn’t play??? Hurts isn’t the healthiest QB but he good for 15+ games 

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

28.

Darius RobinsonEDGE Missouri

50.

T.J. TampaCB Iowa State

53.

Jeremiah Trotter Jr.LB Clemson

60.

Cade StoverTE Ohio State

97.

Ainias SmithWR Texas A&M

169.

Javion CohenOG Miami (FL)

170.

Jaylon CarliesS Missouri

177.

Ray DavisRB Kentucky

This one here. Nothing wrong with Davis either. He needs a little work,he is rough,but at 177 he can be worked into the rotation with little cost. Cohen is fine as another OG prospect. Someone needs to step up and claim that spot for the next 3-4 years. We need to plan for kelces retirement,but I don;t think he's ready to quit yet. If we draft right and retain the right guys we could well be in the mix again next year. Hurts needs to step up his game. It's showtime and I found it comically stupid that he fell down like a little girl and even more stupid to take a sack in the EZ. We have an offense if we can find a QB who can run it. Hurts regressed,everyone saw it. Now it's time for him to grow a pair and show us why we paid him. He is capable,but will he do it? We know he lacks a big arm,but if he is accurate,he has plenty of weapons. I have not looked at the Mizz safety yet,I will do that. After Smith the options should be as BU's/prospects we can groom. Smith can start in the slot right away. I see no reason he can't. He is the top SLOT WR in this draft. Stover,Tampa and Trotter can also start. Expect rookie mistakes from them,but they need to be tossed into the fire

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/jaylon-carlies-s-missouri-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2023/ What they say about Carlies. I need more research on him,but off the top he looks like a nice prospect. Normally I don't get excited about 5th rounders. Seems he has the tools. More later 

14 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

This is always tough we had just extended Wentx yet draft Hurts and we seen how that worked out…. Hurts hasn’t been bad but he hasn’t been the passer we need either… We have weapons AJ/Smith /Goedart lot of teams would kill for a trio weapons like that. 
 

Then you look at KC that had the most drops in the nfl last year won a SB really all Mahomes had was Kelce and Rice(who stepped up as the year went) 

I want to wait and see what the new staff can do with Hurts. Rice really did step up his game. He is now a relevant weapon. he is no Hill,but he did a fine job so early,maybe he becomes the next Hill. Really nice pick and coaching

17 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

This is always tough we had just extended Wentx yet draft Hurts and we seen how that worked out…. Hurts hasn’t been bad but he hasn’t been the passer we need either… We have weapons AJ/Smith /Goedart lot of teams would kill for a trio weapons like that. 
 

Then you look at KC that had the most drops in the nfl last year won a SB really all Mahomes had was Kelce and Rice(who stepped up as the year went) 

Mahomes just finds a way. You can't relax with a lead on them,Mahomes will make you pay for that

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

want to wait and see what the new staff can do with Hurts.

It begs the question though are thing’s different if we drafted a weapon for Wentz v hurts???? Hurts has all the weapons again teams would kill for a trio like we have yet as a passer we couldn’t get anything working was that all coaching????

I really like Moore maybe he changes things and Hurts shines but still a concern does hurts look as good if we take away the rush push from him??? 

I like that 2nd mock I did. The question is who do we take with pick 28? Picking up that 60 pick really makes a difference. We also have to see if Howie can do some deals for addition draft capital.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Mahomes just finds a way. You can't relax with a lead on them,Mahomes will make you pay for that

Again I ask the question though we cried for Hurts because of XYZ in terms Of our weapons yet Mahomes won a SB with the most drops in the entire NFL including playoffs 

Again not completely blaming Hurts but he has never favored the middle of the field that is fact… I 100% believe our coaching over did the outside of and neglected the middle to the field passing game. But I’m also not sure where the line is