1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Not even mentioning the future SF has sacrificed in draft picks gave up how many picks for CMC, Trey Lance and now young 

Yet still been improving. A team that’s been contending for years. Light bulb go off yet for you?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

That is fair. They haven’t won a SB yet. Doubt this statement from you has much shelf life though. You can make this argument for one more week.

And then they have the same number of SBs as us and then you can say that we got robbed of a SB thanks to a PI call that shouldn’t have happened… by all accounts I think we win without the refs ruining that game 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Yet still been improving. A team that’s been contending for years. Light bulb go off yet for you?

And we haven’t???? Have we lacked the ability to add or have we failed on the players we added???

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Not even mentioning the future SF has sacrificed in draft picks gave up how many picks for CMC, Trey Lance and now young 

I don't feel Purdy is that good. I mean I can hand the ball off the CMC or pitch it out to Deebo and have good stats too with only having to throw 7-8 yard passes to Kittle once in awhile

We added Swift we added Byrd we added players… we paid Bradberry and Slay by all means we can say we failed on player evaluation but not on contracts 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

don't feel Purdy is that good.

Maybe but he is good enough with the talent right now I’d have said the same with Brady who I felt got carried by his D for years but he because a stud 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And we haven’t???? Have we lacked the ability to add or have we failed on the players we added???

"Improving" Deebo coming of age(yes nice pick). Kittle a great TE and then spending a boatload of capital on CMC who was another teams offense much like Henry is and still an empty blank in the trophy case

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Maybe but he is good enough with the talent right now I’d have said the same with Brady who I felt got carried by his D for years but he because a stud 

Brady brought TB back to life at what 40 years old? Same can be said about Flacco. Purdy is young yet shows me nothing of that caliber. brady also had top slot guys(like I want us to have).How many plays did Edelman and Amendola make for Brady?

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And we haven’t???? Have we lacked the ability to add or have we failed on the players we added???

Yes we lacked the ability to add. We lost tons of experience and talent. 

7 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

We added Swift we added Byrd we added players… we paid Bradberry and Slay by all means we can say we failed on player evaluation but not on contracts 

Both were really good last year. This year we saw the "old man decline" from both. We took our shot,Howie just thought we had another year in the window,and we did,before the total collapse

I mean we went 10-1,the window was there for the taking and we threw it away. Can't really blame Howie for that nor call it a "steady decline" We were right there. Sorry but when the big games came Hurts was nowhere to be found,played like my granddaughter. Just awful

15 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And we haven’t???? Have we lacked the ability to add or have we failed on the players we added???

No we haven’t! I saw nothing but a lesser team we fielded this year compared to last year.

16 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

We added Swift we added Byrd we added players… we paid Bradberry and Slay by all means we can say we failed on player evaluation but not on contracts 

Wow we didn’t add Bradberry to the this years team beyond what was last years team. We simply were able to retain that one player. It was a fail on player evaluation. Adding Byard to try and mask how short our roster was at the S position was snacking lipstick on a pig. Old lost step player….whom we only acquired to begin with because of his cheap attainabililty  from a team very ready to unburden themselves from a player clearly on the decline.

  Just made all kinds of sacrifices just to retain Bradberry and Slay. All being paid by future teams for our franchise. Real brilliance..let me tell you.

DeJean-honest first opinion and that could change as I look deeper. Most of his highlight reel was as a returner. Not something I would want my starting CB to do(although he was very effective in that role). The one EZ pick was a QB overthrow,no special talent required for that. He made some stops after his teammates had guys bottled up already. I would be more interested in the S from Iowa(if he has declared) as he seems to be helping DeJean out alot,at least from what little I saw so far. I would not take him in round 1 ,maybe not even in 2(at THIS point). I will have to look into him more,but that was my first reaction. Perhaps it was knee jerk. As I said that was my initial take that he is overrated. So I will do more on him and see what I can dig up. DB's are not my strong suit,but this will be a good learning thing for me. Thanks for pointing him out

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wow we didn’t add Bradberry to the this years team beyond

He wasn’t under contract we didn’t have to pay Bradberry WE CHOSE TO do yes we added him to this years team we could have easily used that money elsewhere 

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Adding Byard to try and mask how short our roster was at the S position was snacking lipstick on a pig

We had the ability to add a S was there anyone else better at S in FA or trade??? Maybe guess what WE COULD HAVE ADDED THEM we clearly evaluated WRONG.

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just made all kinds of sacrifices just to retain Bradberry and Slay. All being paid by future teams for our franchise. Real brilliance..let me tell you.

And I’m fine again with saying we failed on player evaluation hell even building a team but it wasn’t contract related that the point I’m making… our contracts didn’t hinder us to adding players us adding bad players was an issue 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

He wasn’t under contract we didn’t have to pay Bradberry WE CHOSE TO do yes we added him to this years team we could have easily used that money elsewhere 

We retained him from last years team is all we could manage to accomplish. We actually added Terrell Edmunds and Morrow. Those blockbuster signings to counter all the talent and experience we lost.

I still like Tampa for us.Tough kid,hits hard and we could use alot more of that Round 2(2nd round 2) would be where I would take him as well as Trotter at LB. My fear is Howie will trade back and lose them both which would be a pity,but it's a Howie move. We need to make the selections when we have them through round 3 IMO. I know Howie loves to trade,but getting 12 mediocre guys needs to stop for 2-3 top flight prospects,then if they fail you know it's the coaching staff,but we already replaced those

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

We retained him from last years team is all we could manage to accomplish. We actually added Terrell Edmunds and Morrow.

And if we didn’t keep Bradberry we couldn’t have signed a Bette roster then Morow or Edmunds??? Again it was a CHOICE 

The mind you we traded for Bryd gave up picks and paid his contract we could have signed better S we could have S better LBs we CHOOSE NOT TO DO SO THAT THE POINT

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

We had the ability to add a S was there anyone else better at S in FA or trade??? Maybe guess what WE COULD HAVE ADDED THEM we clearly evaluated WRONG.

Byard was the only one left that could have been had. It was a bad choice,but he was all that was there

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Byard was the only one left that could have been had. It was a bad choice,but he was all that was there

That’s the point though we didn’t lack the ability though we lacked on evaluating the position 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

That’s the point though we didn’t lack the ability though we lacked on evaluating the position 

Well had had some nice numbers to look at. I think his attitude is what cost us,we didn't do well on that part of the scouting. I'm not real sure with the bad coaches we had that is was all his fault.perhaps he was misused like most players we had down the stretch

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well had had some nice numbers to look at. I think his attitude is what cost us,we didn't do well on that part of the scouting. I'm not real sure with the bad coaches we had that is was all his fault.perhaps he was misused like most players we had down the stretch

And BTW way Penny was not used AT ALL