No way would I ever consider Sturgis this year.  That’s nuts. Can you imagine a half a country away catching the virus and your transportation is a bike and your route is through a lot of territory with no hospitals or even doctors.  

41 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Question/thoughts about the NCAA player salaries, which I have not fully educated myself on...

My political preconceptions, at various times, have both sides of this debate.  These athletes have it really good, so their plight doesn't resonate.  But...they are key cogs in a very, very lucrative business, so I also understand their claim to some of that $$$.  

Regardless of what is fair/deserved, D1 universities will have to carefully define and review the accounting of this.  Many of these schools rely on football revenue to keep other departments and programs afloat.  Will less money be reinvested in the university and more stay in the football programs to pay players?   You can argue that's fair anyway, since it's football revenue, but it will have consequences.  The money going to players needs to come from somewhere.  

I'd be inclined simply allow them to market themselves with endorsements however they wish.  Of course, that only benefits the 1% of marketable NCAA athletes who already had a ton of pro money coming their way anyway...but that's the group that is lobbying the hardest for this.

I’ve been on both sides of the debate as well. Typically I lean towards not paying players but allowing them free rain to profit off of their own liking. However, then you’ll have boosters openly doing some real shady ****tt, perhaps even coaches. Not like that isn’t already happening though... Actually it’s been happening for 100 years, I’m sure. 

27 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Those trades never work out for the dealing team.  Look at the Pelicans and Davis.  3 first round picks that will be meaningless.  Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart.  Sounds like a haul, but that's a lot of dilution there.

And Simmons/Embiid won't fetch anything near that.  They'll be lucky to get 1 quality starter.  They could probably trade Simmons for a 1-dimensional player with a nice shot to complement Embiid...that MIGHT marginally improve the team.  Either way, the ingredients for a title aren't going to be there.

IMO...in football and baseball...it's easier to cash out of stars for future resources in quality prospects and draft picks.  In basketball, stars only get traded to good teams for meaningless draft picks and flawed young players without much upside.  

don’t disagree with you about majority of nba trades being like that. Are exceptions like Paul George for oladipo or George to clippers to get SAG. But really few and far between. 

Never going to get what davis true value was especially a year away from his free agency where he was going to leave and made it public. Actually thought the pelicans getting Ingram was key in that deal. Would’ve asked for kuz instead of hart and ball though. At least you had at worse if he kept developing as a high quality starter. However Ingram has been really good for the pelicans. Averaging 24-6-4. I get bad team someone has to put up numbers but he’s been much better than he was with the lakers. He’s still young at 22 

Frankly if the pelicans offered jrue, hart and Ingram for Ben and Richardson/thybulle (and i love thybulle so it would be tough to deal him) but id consider doing that deal. Not sure the pelicans would at this time would do that. And I’ve never been a huge trade Simmons guy. But I am frankly at the point where jrue and Ingram with embiid would be a better fit. Love Simmons but he’s never going to shoot the ball then this is never going to work. He can be great everywhere else but in today’s nba you have to be willing to shoot and be at least average to win titles. He doesn’t and it kills our spacing 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

How many years did he have the best OLine?

Pro Bowl Tight Ends?  How many years?

Who were these very good WR he had for the balance of his career?  A young Jackson?  T.O. for one year?  A fleeting Kevin Curtis?

Agreed

8 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’ve been on both sides of the debate as well. Typically I lean towards not paying players but allowing them free rain to profit off of their own liking. However, then you’ll have boosters openly doing some real shady ****tt, perhaps even coaches. Not like that isn’t already happening though... Actually it’s been happening for 100 years, I’m sure. 

I studied Sport Management in college and outside of a few big Tier 1 Universities, most sports programs don't generate THAT much money in the grand scheme of things.  The money that football programs generate for the most part fund the other sports, facilities, the endless amount of free gear athletes get.  Schools invest the money that football brings back in the the U to attract these players and want them to come.  How do you think $300 million football player loungers with barbers, video game rooms etc are built?  Yes you have your big donors but for the most part it's the school re-investing to make the school better for the student athlete.

I'm all on board for college athletes to be paid for appearances, signatures, video game stuff but for the schools themselves to pay them is outright silly.  For these athletes to come out and say they are oppressed, mistreated and not being treated fairly how many of you regardless of your skin tone would even BE in college if it weren't for that football or sports program.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I studied Sport Management in college and outside of a few big Tier 1 Universities, most sports programs don't generate THAT much money in the grand scheme of things.  The money that football programs generate for the most part fund the other sports, facilities, the endless amount of free gear athletes get.  Schools invest the money that football brings back in the the U to attract these players and want them to come.  How do you think $300 million football player loungers with barbers, video game rooms etc are built?  Yes you have your big donors but for the most part it's the school re-investing to make the school better for the student athlete.

I'm all on board for college athletes to be paid for appearances, signatures, video game stuff but for the schools themselves to pay them is outright silly.  For these athletes to come out and say they are oppressed, mistreated and not being treated fairly how many of you regardless of your skin tone would even BE in college if it weren't for that football or sports program.

Same and it’s not something I proudly admit... 

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

How many years did he have the best OLine?

Pro Bowl Tight Ends?  How many years?

Who were these very good WR he had for the balance of his career?  A young Jackson?  T.O. for one year?  A fleeting Kevin Curtis?

 

 

Come on Man!!

 

 

McNabb gets ish on around here.

 

 

I loved McNabb. The only problem with him was those worm killing passes to wide open receivers in the flat. Those would drive me nuts.

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I studied Sport Management in college and outside of a few big Tier 1 Universities, most sports programs don't generate THAT much money in the grand scheme of things.  The money that football programs generate for the most part fund the other sports, facilities, the endless amount of free gear athletes get.  Schools invest the money that football brings back in the the U to attract these players and want them to come.  How do you think $300 million football player loungers with barbers, video game rooms etc are built?  Yes you have your big donors but for the most part it's the school re-investing to make the school better for the student athlete.

I'm all on board for college athletes to be paid for appearances, signatures, video game stuff but for the schools themselves to pay them is outright silly.  For these athletes to come out and say they are oppressed, mistreated and not being treated fairly how many of you regardless of your skin tone would even BE in college if it weren't for that football or sports program.

sums up how i feel about them asking for 50/50 split of revenue 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Same and it’s not something I proudly admit... 

Sorry to hear that.  I learned some valuable information with the major, don't work in the sports industry at all now however.  One of the things I learned was what I stated.  

Just now, bpac55 said:

Sorry to hear that.  I learned some valuable information with the major, don't work in the sports industry at all now however.  One of the things I learned was what I stated.  

I didn’t learn anything really that valuable. Enjoyed partying and playing intramural sports though 

5 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I didn’t learn anything really that valuable. Enjoyed partying and playing intramural sports though 

Where did you go?  The most valuable stuff I learned in college wasn't at all related to sports.  I thought I wanted to get in to the industry but once I was close to graduating I found that it was nothing I wanted to do but was too far invested to study something different.  A lot of my passions revolved around marine biology and I wish I would have given that a chance.  

51 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

No way would I ever consider Sturgis this year.  That’s nuts. Can you imagine a half a country away catching the virus and your transportation is a bike and your route is through a lot of territory with no hospitals or even doctors.  

Yeah it's unfortunate that a lot of those guys are trying to make some sort of political statement about it.  I was reading a lot of it has to do with how it's "ok" for protesters to go out in large crowds but it's "not ok" for them to go to Sturgis.  It's saddening to see how this has become politicized to the extent that people are willing to risk their own health and the health of others.  😞 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Would be an interesting poll to see which eagles selection in each round of the draft was the worst pick over the last 30 years. Harris is definitely up there. Marcus smith is up there. Holmes, Williams and Watkins for the first round. 

I don't think Lester Holmes deserves to be in this conversation. He was actually pretty good before he wrecked his knee. Granted, he wasn't here for long before that happened, but his trajectory was on track, I thought. 

Harris was definitely the worst.

Has there been any actual training camp news?  Haven't heard much about anything.  I can't keep up with this blog. Too many different conversations going on and adding pages and pages every day.  

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Where did you go?  The most valuable stuff I learned in college wasn't at all related to sports.  I thought I wanted to get in to the industry but once I was close to graduating I found that it was nothing I wanted to do but was too far invested to study something different.  A lot of my passions revolved around marine biology and I wish I would have given that a chance.  

Lock Haven. 
 

I graduated in 2009 when the economy was crap and the only jobs in the industry available were crap jobs in minor league baseball. Barely anyone I graduated with still works in the industry. My old roommate worked in minor league baseball but not anymore...

 I ended up going for a masters just because I didn’t know what else to do... luckily my current career gave me a strong background in management, sales, and overall business operations because it looks like I’ll be forced to make a career change soon. 
 

But anyway the field was interesting but not necessarily applicable to the job market. If that makes any sense. 

3 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I don't think Lester Holmes deserves to be in this conversation. He was actually pretty good before he wrecked his knee. Granted, he wasn't here for long before that happened, but his trajectory was on track, I thought. 

Harris was definitely the worst.

I’d for sure have him fifth out of the 5 i mentioned. If i had to vote one just one I’d be torn between harris, Williams and smith. 

14 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

  A lot of my passions revolved around marine biology and I wish I would have given that a chance.  

The sea was angry that day, my friends.

6 minutes ago, What The F said:

Has there been any actual training camp news?  Haven't heard much about anything.  I can't keep up with this blog. Too many different conversations going on and adding pages and pages every day.  

No. They aren't really doing anything besides conditioning, and reporters aren't allowed there yet.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d for sure have him fifth out of the 5 i mentioned. If i had to vote one just one I’d be torn between harris, Williams and smith. 

Yeah, but you listed Holmes and didn't include Leonard Renfro, who was drafted the same year. He never showed a damn thing, whereas Holmes at least did before he got hurt.

Speaking of injuries, the one that has always bothered me was Jody Schulz, who was drafted in the second round in '83. It was a historic draft, because it was the year where the draft eligibles included both regular seniors and "fifth year" seniors. Before then, colleges couldn't routinely redshirt freshman, but the rules were eventually changed, and the '83 draft was the year where it all funneled into a great crop. Wes Hopkins (there's another injury story) was also a second round pick that year, and he was a stud. Schulz was phenomenal in training camp and had a great first month of the season. Then, wham, injury, career ruined. I've seen people cite his name when discussing failed Eagles early round picks, and it makes me angry. It's obvious that they're basing their list on name recognition only. They don't remember Schulz so they just assume he was just another turd. He was going to be a great linebacker.

I suppose every team has injury stories like this though.

10 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

The sea was angry that day, my friends.

That was Jerry Seinfeld's favorite episode; I think my current favorite is "The Stand In" -- the episode where George was dating that woman out of spite.  Same episode as "he took it out", Jerry killing that guy in the hospital, and Kramer and Mickey working as stand-ins on All My Children.  

7 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Yeah, but you listed Holmes and didn't include Leonard Renfro, who was drafted the same year. He never showed a damn thing, whereas Holmes at least did before he got hurt.

Speaking of injuries, the one that has always bothered me was Jody Schulz, who was drafted in the second round in '83. It was a historic draft, because it was the year where the draft eligibles included both regular seniors and "fifth year" seniors. Before then, colleges couldn't routinely redshirt freshman, but the rules were eventually changed, and the '83 draft was the year where it all funneled into a great crop. Wes Hopkins (there's another injury story) was also a second round pick that year, and he was a stud. Schulz was phenomenal in training camp and had a great first month of the season. Then, wham, injury, career ruined. I've seen people cite his name when discussing failed Eagles early round picks, and it makes me angry. It's obvious that they're basing their list on name recognition only. They don't remember Schulz so they just assume he was just another turd. He was going to be a great linebacker.

I suppose every team has injury stories like this though.

Forgot to include renfro. Was going top of my head. But probably my expectations for Holmes were higher cause of our oline issues for years that Holmes was more upsetting to me then renfro not planning out. Granted Holmes showed promise whereas renfro didn’t. Then again i was like 7-8 when it happened. Not that either one i was thrilled about with how their careers went.

with Schulz could add Stewart Bradley to that type of thing. Looked phenomenal in 2008 then eagles flight night and he was never the same.   

48 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Same and it’s not something I proudly admit... 

I picked it up as a 2nd major so I could stay in college an extra semester.  I don't think I remember 1 thing from it.  

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That was Jerry Seinfeld's favorite episode; I think my current favorite is "The Stand In" -- the episode where George was dating that woman out of spite.  Same episode as "he took it out", Jerry killing that guy in the hospital, and Kramer and Mickey working as stand-ins on All My Children.  

My favorite episode

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I don't think Lester Holmes deserves to be in this conversation. He was actually pretty good before he wrecked his knee. Granted, he wasn't here for long before that happened, but his trajectory was on track, I thought. 

Harris was definitely the worst.

Leonard Renfro was another terrible pick that doesn't get the scorn he deserves.  I mean Dana Stubblefield was picked 2 picks later.  Renfro barely lasted one season.