17 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

IF. There's still no vaccine for HIV

We already have multiple vaccines that are at human trials. 
 

Edit: Here’s a good tracker: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

I'm starting to get used to the name.  I wonder if they might stick with it.  It's retro, in a way.  

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Great news!

Random thought... Brandin Cooks has to be the oldest 26 in NFL history.

Doug testing positive and returning 10 days later indicates he was asymptomatic. Jordan Mailata though has now been on it for 2 weeks, indicating he's having a rough go of it.

2 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

IF. There's still no vaccine for HIV

And IF people take the vaccine. I posted flu vaccine stats a few weeks back and once you do the math of how many Americans take the vaccine plus how effective it actually is, the flu vaccine only works on about 25% of Americans.

It's just not feasible to say the end all/back to normal/we are safe now from Covid answer is a vaccine.  It's silly.  Do we want to keep living this masked world, limited occupancy, businesses closing and people losing their jobs life for another 1-2 years while a vaccine is developed, tested, made available for a 25% chance it might work?  

IMO there has to be a common sense approach.  Here in PA alone, out of the 7,300 deaths roughly 2,300 of them have NOT been in nursing homes.  So in other words, 0.005% of the general population, people who are out and about living day-to-day lives have passed away.  This is not saying those nursing home deaths don't matter or are irrelevant or that any death for that matter is.  YES, people are testing positive but those numbers are dropping.  The stats just don't support many of the actions being taken  For instance, 6 people under the age of 30 have passed away.  Does that support kids K-12 wearing masks for entire days while sitting 6 feet apart 2 days a week while the other 3 days they are forced to do cyber learning?  IMO, no it doesn't.  That's just one example.  

I work with event planners trying to find homes for events and such in the area and I learned yesterday on a conference call that even though we have restrictions in PA on event size, if you are a government official, there is no regulation on the size of your event.  Let that sink in.  You and me, our events aren't safe...government official event...safe.

Sorry this should have been in the CVON thread but it's still worth discussing before camp really gets rolling.  

5 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Random thought... Brandin Cooks has to be the oldest 26 in NFL history.

I hear your Brandin Cooks and raise you one 28 year old Jordan Matthews. 

39 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

- People wanting to live is not a problem

-Things will gradually get back to normal when we have a vaccine. 
 

-I’m not a fan of lawsuits either, but risking lives for the economy will come with lawsuits. 

I’m hoping for a vaccine just because then it’ll psychologically make the delicate flowers feel better. 
 

This virus isn’t going anywhere with or without a vaccine. People will get sick and die. It’s part of life. 

55 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

- People wanting to live is not a problem

-Things will gradually get back to normal when we have a vaccine. 
 

-I’m not a fan of lawsuits either, but risking lives for the economy will come with lawsuits. 

Couple of things:

—you have to have enough people actually taking the vaccine and trusting to do it with not Nearly enough long term research. I think you are going to see a lot of people hesitant to take a vaccine that was created in less than 18 months. Heck we can’t even get people to wear masks or wear masks properly  (heck good article from yahoo yesterday saying gaiters were actually increasing your chances at covid (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/neck-gaiters-may-actually-increase-covid-19-transmission-study-finds-183034882.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_04)

—usually a vaccine takes 10-15 years to be released to the general public. Reason is so that theres enough long term studies to know the long term ramifications of the vaccine (flu is different as they only change the antigen every single year based on data collected but the process of making it is the same). This is done for a reason. Call me skeptical that the only vaccine that came out as fast took 4 years but we are doing it in 18 months and we can’t even have tests for covid that are highly accurate between different coronaviruses (cdc has it on their site saying you might test positive for covid but actually have a different Family of coronavirus. That’s pretty scary they can figure out a vaccine but not accurate enough testing to know if you have covid 19 or another coronavirus... however The University of Arizona is working on a test that can compare graphs of coronaviruses to your test results to know which one. they haven’t figured it all out yet.) 

— If down the road there’s long term consequences From the vaccine because they didn’t have enough Long term testing And rushed it there’s going to be lawsuits anyway. 

— a somewhat concern for me is if the vaccine works for 75% of people (i believe that was fauci’s hopes of how many it could help.https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/28/health/fauci-coronavirus-vaccine-contact-tracing-aspen/index.html Seen other reports saying it’s 50-50  ) so 25 percent it would not and possibly worse have an adverse reaction. For instance we found out my mom can’t get vaccines. every time she has gotten one in the past 10 years she’s gotten violently ill and 2 times had to go to the hospital. Is that the norm? No but there is going to be cases like that and you hope it’s minuscule but in a 18 month period I’m not sure that risk is minimal 

I for one do not think a vaccine is a cure all. i think that’s wishful thinking. Will it help? Yes if the research and testing holds up. However also other circumstances like mutations and other variables that could really take it in another direction. I think you are going to see a resistance from a lot of people on taking such vaccine that was created because companies That wanted to be the first to make billions off of it. Yes i do think they want to help people but i also believe they want the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow as well. 
 

anyway here’s an detailed article about how vaccines are created and why they take the time they usually do 

https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/vaccine_safety/science.htm
 

16 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

We already have multiple vaccines that are at human trials. 
 

Edit: Here’s a good tracker: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html

When there is a vaccine that's proven to be effective with minimal dangerous side effects I'll get off the IF statement.

It appears you have more faith in this system than I do. That's your right.

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I hear your Brandin Cooks and raise you one 28 year old Jordan Matthews. 

Winston 26 

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

And IF people take the vaccine. I posted flu vaccine stats a few weeks back and once you do the math of how many Americans take the vaccine plus how effective it actually is, the flu vaccine only works on about 25% of Americans.

It's just not feasible to say the end all/back to normal/we are safe now from Covid answer is a vaccine.  It's silly.  Do we want to keep living this masked world, limited occupancy, businesses closing and people losing their jobs life for another 1-2 years while a vaccine is developed, tested, made available for a 25% chance it might work?  

IMO there has to be a common sense approach.  Here in PA alone, out of the 7,300 deaths roughly 2,300 of them have NOT been in nursing homes.  So in other words, 0.005% of the general population, people who are out and about living day-to-day lives have passed away.  This is not saying those nursing home deaths don't matter or are irrelevant or that any death for that matter is.  YES, people are testing positive but those numbers are dropping.  The stats just don't support many of the actions being taken  For instance, 6 people under the age of 30 have passed away.  Does that support kids K-12 wearing masks for entire days while sitting 6 feet apart 2 days a week while the other 3 days they are forced to do cyber learning?  IMO, no it doesn't.  That's just one example.  

I work with event planners trying to find homes for events and such in the area and I learned yesterday on a conference call that even though we have restrictions in PA on event size, if you are a government official, there is no regulation on the size of your event.  Let that sink in.  You and me, our events aren't safe...government official event...safe.

Sorry this should have been in the CVON thread but it's still worth discussing before camp really gets rolling.  

I get what you’re saying, but you’re not thinking about all the teachers who are with these kids, and the families these kids live with. It’s also not impossible for a kid to die either.

Once a vaccine is out we can’t control who takes it and who doesn’t, but we’d be in a much better position with decreasing numbers even if we had a vaccine that was only 50% effective. 

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

And IF people take the vaccine. I posted flu vaccine stats a few weeks back and once you do the math of how many Americans take the vaccine plus how effective it actually is, the flu vaccine only works on about 25% of Americans.

It's just not feasible to say the end all/back to normal/we are safe now from Covid answer is a vaccine.  It's silly.  Do we want to keep living this masked world, limited occupancy, businesses closing and people losing their jobs life for another 1-2 years while a vaccine is developed, tested, made available for a 25% chance it might work?  

IMO there has to be a common sense approach.  Here in PA alone, out of the 7,300 deaths roughly 2,300 of them have NOT been in nursing homes.  So in other words, 0.005% of the general population, people who are out and about living day-to-day lives have passed away.  This is not saying those nursing home deaths don't matter or are irrelevant or that any death for that matter is.  YES, people are testing positive but those numbers are dropping.  The stats just don't support many of the actions being taken  For instance, 6 people under the age of 30 have passed away.  Does that support kids K-12 wearing masks for entire days while sitting 6 feet apart 2 days a week while the other 3 days they are forced to do cyber learning?  IMO, no it doesn't.  That's just one example.  

I work with event planners trying to find homes for events and such in the area and I learned yesterday on a conference call that even though we have restrictions in PA on event size, if you are a government official, there is no regulation on the size of your event.  Let that sink in.  You and me, our events aren't safe...government official event...safe.

Sorry this should have been in the CVON thread but it's still worth discussing before camp really gets rolling.  

Then you should just consider yourself lucky because Florida has 56 deaths under 30, which includes 7 that were children, that weren't even in school. So yea, everyone should be doing the bare a** minimum to prevent more regardless whether it has happened yet or has not happened yet. 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I said all of this 4 months ago.  

 

 

Well if you followed your own whack job advice and posted it in CVON then i didnt read it😉

Also a lot has happened in 4 months no?

11 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Hard Knocks sucks. I wouldn’t watch it even if the Eagles were on it. 

I've grown tired of it over the years, but HBO does such a good job with their production, and it kicks off football season for me.  For what they had to work with, last night's episode was awesome in my opinion.  You actually got a really good inside look at how they set up for training camp to keep everyone healthy.  

21 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Random thought... Brandin Cooks has to be the oldest 26 in NFL history.

Barnett' will be close in a few years. He was just 23 a month and a half ago.

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Doug testing positive and returning 10 days later indicates he was asymptomatic. Jordan Mailata though has now been on it for 2 weeks, indicating he's having a rough go of it.

If he recovers will he be on the team or stashed on IR for the 3rd year?

 

Ex-Eagle

11 hours ago, Allhaildawk said:

Gotta feel for these kids losing their season before the nfl draft. Awful

I feel for anyone who has a 3rd round grade or lower.  Those guys should have a senior season to prove themselves.  It probably only helps the 1st rounders (probably why they all started opting out before the season was cancelled).  

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That's not why I told you to take it to CVON sport.  You know it and I know it.  Nice try.  

I dont assume to know what you know i know nor will i assume you know what they say about assumptions👍

Watch "I Am Legend" if you want to see the potential impact of an under-tested vaccine.  (....and the impact of Will Smith over acting.) 

16 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

When there is a vaccine that's proven to be effective with minimal dangerous side effects I'll get off the IF statement.

It appears you have more faith in this system than I do. That's your right.

Also have Fauci coming out saying he doesn’t believe we will reach sufficient immunity to cut off the outbreak. 

2 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Watch "I am Legend" if you want to see the potential impact of an under-tested vaccine.  (....and the impact of Will Smith over acting.) 

I hate that movie all because of the dog scene😞

29 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Random thought... Brandin Cooks has to be the oldest 26 in NFL history.

Given his concussion history of agree with that.  Dude's on #5 or 6 I believe. 

23 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

IMO there has to be a common sense approach.  Here in PA alone, out of the 7,300 deaths roughly 2,300 of them have NOT been in nursing homes.  So in other words, 0.005% of the general population, people who are out and about living day-to-day lives have passed away.  This is not saying those nursing home deaths don't matter or are irrelevant or that any death for that matter is.  YES, people are testing positive but those numbers are dropping.  The stats just don't support many of the actions being taken  For instance, 6 people under the age of 30 have passed away.  Does that support kids K-12 wearing masks for entire days while sitting 6 feet apart 2 days a week while the other 3 days they are forced to do cyber learning?  IMO, no it doesn't.  That's just one example.  

You're dismissing what will be the long term health problems people are developing after surviving COVID-19.  I've heard plenty of reports citing heart damage, scarring on vital organs, etc.

For many people this is nothing like getting over influenza; they will carry lasting health implications from being exposed.