17 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Sorry Manu, I thought we could have a educated exchange,  but I was wrong....if not all rose's, som e get feelings hurt  

I mean, you said he’s not top 15 and then when pressed you didn’t even name 15 QBs. You included old guys and then said you’d take young guys over him. It looks to me like you’re trying to play both sides — QBs better than him now (even though no one would take Brady or Brees over Wentz moving forward) and then QBs not as good now but you project to be better. It’s not really a fair argument.

Of the QBs you listed, Dak and Cousins both have bad records against teams with winning records. They each have one playoff win. Last year Dak was 1-6 vs playoff teams. Cousins is 7-30 against teams with a winning record.

39 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Mahomes

Wilson

Brady 

Brees

Dak

Rodgers

Ryan

Cousins

Jackson

Watson 

Some young ones I personally would take over him ,murray being one 

Cousins???

Brady is done.

Dak is a product of the players around him.

How many of the above qb took their team to the playoffs throwing to practice squad players all year? Dak oh thats right wentz beat Dak for the division.

Beating teams over 500 is a misleading stat as when one beats that team they accrue a loss.

Wentz injuries worry me, i think drafting hurts shows it worries the organization.

Well see but saying wentz isnt top ten seems like some one has an axe to grind.

Maybe you hate gingers No?

1 minute ago, hputenis said:

Don't care what happens in 2020 so long as This Tape is played in the D rooms,  Especially LB's/DE's & S's . NFL Defense has gone soft.- TrotterisGod would like this Metallica song played on repeat during all defensive meetings.  Corners and DTs don't need to listen to this song as much for some reason.  

 What's all that BS by Drake gotten the Kings of the Combine?  Give me the 77 Raiders/ 86 Giants over any stupid "measurable" unit.  Heck I'd take anyone who even remotely resembles Ronnie Lott - Drake must have put out a song where he sings about the combine?  TrotterisGod doesn't believe in this measurable crap.  He wants old school defenses that are hard-nosed and mean.  Despite the safety rules of today's NFL, he would rather the defense take someone's head off even though they would be ejected immediately.  

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#NoQuarter - This is referring to either Blackbeard the Pirate or Led Zeppelin.  

So your plans are to follow me. Noyce. 

 

3 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

How many playoff games has he won to date? 

And his record against teams 500 or above?

And how many QBs with the same stats went on to win a superbowl at the age of 27 ?

Every QB has their own stats, so I won’t touch that.

Favre won his first at 27, Rodgers at 28, Brees at 30.  Ryan never, Dak never .... Dan Marino never

What was Dak’s record against winning teams last season?  Why has Dak’s employer not signed him to an extension?  
 

I’m thankful the Eagles didn’t end up with someone like Marcus Mariota as their franchise QB, or even worse, a Jameis Winston — a "franchise QB” who was a complete disaster, both on and off the field.  31 TDs and 30 INT isn’t even good enough to be a qualified high school QB

33 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

How many playoff games has wentz won?

Record against 500 and better clubs?

Turnovers?

Dont name call just elaborate 

The only criticism anyone can have of Wentz is injury.  His play on the field last season, especially the last 4 games and with practice squad talent, was jaw dropping.  If you don't see it because you don't want to.......I can't help you.  

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I mean, you said he’s not top 15 and then when pressed you didn’t even name 15 QBs. You included old guys and then said you’d take young guys over him. It looks to me like you’re trying to play both sides — QBs better than him now (even though no one would take Brady or Brees over Wentz moving forward) and then QBs not as good now but you project to be better. It’s not really a fair argument.

Of the QBs you listed, Dak and Cousins both have bad records against teams with winning records. They each have one playoff win. Last year Dak was 1-6 vs playoff teams. Cousins is 7-30 against teams with a winning record.

Did it off top or my head, I can certainly give you 15 QBs I would take over wentz

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Every QB has their own stats, so I won’t touch that.

Favre won his first at 27, Rodgers at 28, Brees at 30.  Ryan never, Dak never .... Dan Marino never

What was Dak’s record against winning teams last season?  Why has Dak’s employer not signed him to an extension?  
 

I’m thankful the Eagles didn’t end up with someone like Marcus Mariota as their franchise QB, or even worse, a Jameis Winston — a "franchise QB” who was a complete disaster, both on and off the field.  31 TDs and 30 INT isn’t even good enough to be a qualified high school QB

How many playoff games did they win before that?

Just now, Original Sin said:

Did it off top or my head, I can certainly give you 15 QBs I would take over wentz

Let’s hear it. And what is the criteria? From this point moving forward? For 2020 only?

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

F you was my name.  
 

MdEagleFan

WestPaEaglesNest

Beastisatroll.  But it was taken unfortunately.  

That explains it ,westpa eagle, you were a whiny **** then, you're a whiny **** now....and still dont know football 

Look I'm not trashing wentz,but if you think he will ever throw together the performance foles did, I think you're mistaken. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, hputenis said:

The only criticism anyone can have of Wentz is injury.  His play on the field last season, especially the last 4 games and with practice squad talent, was jaw dropping.  If you don't see it because you don't want to.......I can't help you.  

Well it's hard because there are ALWAYS large sections of maniacs in the Iggles fateful.  But for the most part, think it's kind of accepted Wentz is a great first piece. Problem is we need a Ronnie Lott, We need a Seth, a Wes Hopkins.  Heck we'll settle for Howie's kid at this point. One player does not a squad make. You saw the whole roster deflate when Wentz took that hit, know it's not popular in 2020 but the other side of the ball needs an Identity something fierce. 

22 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Very simple question; not so simple to see any relevance.

Wentz is 27 and played for 4 seasons — why, is that pretty much the end for most NFL QBs?

Pointless arguing with him. He still believes in Jameis winston even though he doesn’t play for his favorite team anymore. 

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Look I'm not trashing wentz,but if you think he will ever throw together the performance foles did, I think you're mistaken. 

 

 

Who ever thought foles would throw together the performance foles had???

 

5 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

How many playoff games did they win before that?

At this point I think you’re either debating against logic, objectivity, or yourself 

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Look I'm not trashing wentz,but if you think he will ever throw together the performance foles did, I think you're mistaken. 

 

 

Perhaps not, but he was playing at an incredible level in 2017. He was the MVP. 

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Pointless arguing with him. He still believes in Jameis winston even though he doesn’t play for his favorite team anymore. 

Holy crap, i totally forgot about that.

Not Winston but Original Sin waxing poetic about the Bucs.😒

Not true, winston is a bust imo.....Brady stays healthy I think bucs are top 3 team in the nfl.

Brady has two years with bucs.....fortunately it's a very deep qb draft, pretty sure bucs new that.

 

Name 2 better receiver groups

Just now, ManuManu said:

Perhaps not, but he was playing at an incredible level in 2017. He was the MVP. 

Still should’ve won it. He finished second in td passes and didn’t even play 3 games lol. Heck Brady won it by default. Legit Brady his last 5 weeks of that season had 6tds and 5 ints. He did not play well down the stretch had just 1 game over 70 qb rating 

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Not true, winston is a bust imo.....Brady stays healthy I think bucs are top 3 team in the nfl.

Brady has two years with bucs.....fortunately it's a very deep qb draft, pretty sure bucs new that.

Brady and Gronk are Donzo

4 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Look I'm not trashing wentz,but if you think he will ever throw together the performance foles did, I think you're mistaken. 

 

 

If that's your baseline for Wentz to be worthy, I agree we'll all be disappointed.  Without looking it up, when was the last time any QB put together a championship game and a SB like that?  

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Not true, winston is a bust imo.....Brady stays healthy I think bucs are top 3 team in the nfl.

Brady has two years with bucs.....fortunately it's a very deep qb draft, pretty sure bucs new that.

Here we go....Wentz is mediocre and Bucs are top 3....trolling at its finest

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Holy crap, i totally forgot about that.

Not Winston but Alphagrand waxing poetic about the Bucs.😒

The most overhyped and overrated team of 2020 — best case scenario is them getting the second wildcard.  I suspect 8-8 or 9-7 for them

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Not true, winston is a bust imo.....Brady stays healthy I think bucs are top 3 team in the nfl.

Brady has two years with bucs.....fortunately it's a very deep qb draft, pretty sure bucs new that.

I hAvE tWo TeAmS. 

About the bucs

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Brady and Gronk are Donzo

About to find out

Name 2 better receiver groups

Evans

Godwin

Brate

Howard

Gronk

Johnson 

Brady has never ,never thrown to such a talented group