Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Goedert is better.   

The thing is they’re two different players. DG is a traditional TE while Ertz is a slot receiver. 

15 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I can’t imagine what they get for Ertz ultimately equals his value. 

The other issue is you’re dealing with a draft where you don’t know what it’s going to be like because we likely won’t have a college season and possible nfl season. Obviously if you traded him with two years left on his contract you get better value  In terms of draft capital. Except this draft is going to be completely bizarre because of no college season. 

I honestly would just play his contract out and let him walk at the end of it or deal him after the season. I get wanting to get a draft pick for him. But I’m not thrilled at the prospect of how the 2021 draft is going to shape up with no college season  

Add on you can’t even trade Zach Ertz this year as his Dead money would be even more then his cap hit. His dead money is $13.5 million. I can’t see the Eagles eating $13.5 million to not have Zach Ertz on the team

3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I can’t imagine what they get for Ertz ultimately equals his value. 

Whatever they get probably won't equal his value.  But it would be worse if they sign Ertz long-term and they lose Goedert for nothing.  I can't see Goedert wanting to stay here when he could be a starter almost anywhere else.  

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I can’t imagine what they get for Ertz ultimately equals his value. 

If you look at past TE trades, his value is a 2nd rounder tops. 

Love Ertz but Goedert is younger, cheaper and I think can be better then Ertz. At Ertz age I'm not paying him 14-15 mill a season when Goedert is there. 

Goedert will be gone if we resign Ertz. He will want to be a number 1, say for the team who he was named after. We let him leave we will regret it. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The other issue is you’re dealing with a draft where you don’t know what it’s going to be like because we likely won’t have a college season and possible nfl season. Obviously if you traded him with two years left on his contract you get better value  In terms of draft capital. Except this draft is going to be completely bizarre because of no college season. 

That’s a great point. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The other issue is you’re dealing with a draft where you don’t know what it’s going to be like because we likely won’t have a college season and possible nfl season. Obviously if you traded him with two years left on his contract you get better value  In terms of draft capital. Except this draft is going to be completely bizarre because of no college season. 

That's why I pushed for them pre draft this year to trade picks for 2021 to move up in 2020 or for a player. A few gave the though the college season might not happen and the picks next year are a crap shoot

4 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

That's why I pushed for them pre draft this year to trade picks for 2021 to move up in 2020 or for a player. A few gave the though the college season might not happen and the picks next year are a crap shoot

Sorry miss read what you wrote. I thought you said trade Zach Ertz during the draft this year. In hindsight it probably would’ve been smarter to try and move up for somebody they really loved in this draft considering what’s going on with the 2021 draft

OK devils advocate here.  Maybe the Eagles think Ertz can contribute at a high level, want to do right to an all-time Eagle and give him a top contract.  

Dallas Goedert could be a big trade chip.  The Ravens got a 2nd and 5th from Atlanta for Hayden Hurst and a 4th.  Goedert is far superior to Hurst.  I think it would be silly to trade one of your young building blocks and I also have zero faith the Eagles could turn around and make that draft pick a player of equal value.

What would a Goedert for Yannick deal look like?  Goedert for a young corner?  It's far fetched but Jalen Ramsey hasn't signed a new deal with the Rams yet.  Would you trade DG and a 1st for him?  

Just thinking of all scenarios.

9 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

That’s a great point. 

I edited my other post. Another issue is Zach Ertz dead money is $13.5 million. I do not see the Eagles willing to trade Zack Ertz and eat 13.5 million in dead money. Especially not for a second round pick in the 2021 draft where it’s going to be massive chaos

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I edited my other post. Another issue is Zach Ertz dead money is $13.5 million. I do not see the Eagles willing to trade Zack Ertz and eat 13.5 million in dead money. Especially not for a second round pick in the 2021 draft where it’s going to be massive chaos

Piggy backing off your last point, I would do everything within reason to get as many picks as possible for 2021. It could be a perfect year to stock the cupboard.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

OK devils advocate here.  Maybe the Eagles think Ertz can contribute at a high level, want to do right to an all-time Eagle and give him a top contract.  

Dallas Goedert could be a big trade chip.  The Ravens got a 2nd and 5th from Atlanta for Hayden Hurst and a 4th.  Goedert is far superior than Hurst.  I think it would be silly to trade one of your young building blocks and I also have zero faith the Eagles could turn around and make that draft pick a player of equal value.

What would a Goedert for Yannick deal look like?  Goedert for a young corner?  It's far fetched but Jalen Ramsey hasn't signed a new deal with the Rams yet.  Would you trade DG and a 1st for him?  

Just thinking of all scenarios.

So u want to pay Ertz as the top TE and Yannick as the top DE? Guess I missed the story about the cap increasing to 300 mill next year.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I edited my other post. Another issue is Zach Ertz dead money is $13.5 million. I do not see the Eagles willing to trade Zack Ertz and eat 13.5 million in dead money. Especially not for a second round pick in the 2021 draft where it’s going to be massive chaos

It's just bad timing with Ertz and his contract.  This is the PERFECT time to trade him if the salary lined up but it just doesn't and yeah they can't eat $13.5 million.  Sucks because he has value.  I just posted that MAYBE DG is a trade chip but trading away proven, young, ascending talent would be dumb too.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Piggy backing off your last point, I would do everything within reason to get as many picks as possible for 2021. It could be a perfect year to stock the cupboard.

Better have really good scouts then. I think 2021 draft is going to be a crapshoot on players. You’re using tape from over a year ago (by the time they play another game 2 seasons) and hoping the player got better and developed and didn’t become lazy because they weren’t playing. I would want the picks in 2022 draft. College football would be back so you have better scouting evaluations and since it’s two years from now you like we can get higher picks

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

So u want to pay Ertz as the top TE and Yannick as the top DE? Guess I missed the story about the cap increasing to 300 mill next year.

Yes that's exactly what I want to do.  No, I'm just thinking of different scenarios.

Personally, I want no part in a new contract for Ertz.  I want DG to be here as the number 1 tight end.  

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Better have really good scouts then. I think 2021 draft is going to be a crapshoot on players. You’re using tape from over a year ago (by the time they play another game 2 seasons) and hoping the player got better and developed and didn’t become lazy because they weren’t playing

It's going to be harder to identify talent, but if you think about it the talent pool is either going to be the same, if not better depending on how many underclassmen declare. Every team is going to be at the same disadvantage and relying on scouts/combine, so load up as many arrows as you can because you can potentially hit on something special in almost any round of the draft. 

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's going to be harder to identify talent, but if you think about it the talent pool is either going to be the same, if not better depending on how many underclassmen declare. Every team is going to be at the same disadvantage and relying on scouts/combine, so load up as many arrows as you can because you can potentially hit on something special in almost any round of the draft. 

 I’d much rather have picks in the 2022 draft with how the eagle scouting has been over the last couple years. When they have good amount of tape and evaluations because they evaluated and scouted the current season with other seasons they’ve been so-so. So they’re gonna be better without a current season using tape from over a year ago or more does exactly make me confident. Add on with how things are going we don’t know how the combine is going to look next year or pro days  

If the Eagle scouts were nailing picks left and right or one of the better drafting teams then I’d be 100% with you get as many as possible because it could work out to your advantage. However the eagle scouting has not exactly been great Enough for me to have a confidence to just get picks in a chaotic draft and hope that we hit

I’m also not sure how the talent pool is going to go. I think it can go in a multitude of different ways

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's going to be harder to identify talent, but if you think about it the talent pool is either going to be the same, if not better depending on how many underclassmen declare. Every team is going to be at the same disadvantage and relying on scouts/combine, so load up as many arrows as you can because you can potentially hit on something special in almost any round of the draft. 

Howie hasn't had the best track record drafting without having this disadvantage. This draft helps the great scouting/drafting Gms and hurts even more the ones who have struggled in the past. We are screwed. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 I’d much rather have picks in the 2022 draft with how the eagle scouting has been over the last couple years. When they have good amount of tape and evaluations because they evaluated and scouted the current season with other seasons they’ve been so-so. So they’re gonna be better without a current season using tape from over a year ago or more does exactly make me confident. Add on with how things are going we don’t know how the combine is going to look next year or pro days  

If the Eagle scouts were nailing picks left and right or one of the better drafting teams then I’d be 100% with you get as many as possible because it could work out to your advantage. However the eagle scouting has not exactly been great Enough for me to have a confidence to just get picks in a chaotic draft and hope that we hit

 

Chaos is a ladder 

18 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Howie hasn't had the best track record drafting without having this disadvantage. This draft helps the great scouting/drafting Gms and hurts even more the ones who have struggled in the past. We are screwed. 

That’s how I feel. If the Eagles were drafting at a higher clip then we have then I’m all for doing what he just said. So adding on this disadvantage along with our scouting been so so does not make me feel confident enough having more picks in that draft they’d do better with less info

11 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Howie hasn't had the best track record drafting without having this disadvantage. This draft helps the great scouting/drafting Gms and hurts even more the ones who have struggled in the past. We are screwed. 

I will fully admit my game strategy is not because of my confidence in the evaluation and is purely based off dumb luck. 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I will fully admit my game strategy is not because of my confidence in the evaluation and is purely based off dumb luck. 

I don’t trust the eagles luck. Feels like we used up a lot of it in 2017 lol (not that our Sb was luck... just even with hardships everything still came up gold that year)

Well my first tweet.

 

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Well my first tweet.

 

The Eagles take their fan base for granted. 

If the season is shut down they just may learn the hard way.

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Well my first tweet.

 

If it’s anything like the ask Dave section he won’t answer that until twitter decides that it only has a couple days left. 

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If it’s anything like the ask Dave section he won’t answer that until twitter decides that it only has a couple days left. 

Yea I don't think he'll ever answer those now that he doesn't really have to