25 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Players... plural. Learn to read you old fart 

Ertz and Sanders are the two best offensive skill position players. You wanna trade Ertz and E45 is talking about trading Sanders 3 years from now. But it’s a welcome distraction from politics and the Asian pandemic 

I don't think anyone WANTS Ertz gone.  However, his replacement is already on the team and is going to command a huge contract on his own.  It's just not feasible to keep 2 highly paid tight ends on the team when there are going to be so many other needs very soon.  No one is trying to Ertz is done, or that we don't want him here.  Just need to look at the big picture.  It sucks when it comes to players that have helped win a SB and could be a potential HOF.  Just the reality of the NFL.  

1 hour ago, greend said:

I never was. He was very special here. Had we had anyone but Kelly we would have had a decent enough team to compete for a while

But his contract was a huge burden at that point for a RB and his misogynistic off field behavior sure suggested he was on his way to multiple suspensions. I think the trade did for Shady what a trade did for Carter and kind of scared him onto the straight and narrow. 

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

But his contract was a huge burden at that point for a RB and his misogynistic off field behavior sure suggested he was on his way to multiple suspensions. I think the trade did for Shady what a trade did for Carter and kind of scared him onto the straight and narrow. 

Meh, he wasn't traded because of his contract. Oh and when you have a player with off field issues you talk to him about it.

3 minutes ago, greend said:

Meh, he wasn't traded because of his contract. Oh and when you have a player with off field issues you talk to him about it.

I think they had and they continued.  (With both Shady and Carter.). The Shady trade brought in Kiko and probably resulted in the Murray signing as well.  Those two were key pieces to getting Carson, which resulted in the latest Super Bowl championship for an NFCE team.  His contract was a bit bloated.  I think we got Murray and Matthews for the cost of his contract. Murray didn’t work out but Murray was a decent bargain.  

As a runner, I enjoyed Shady although I hated that he carries the football like a loaf of bread. (Got him inactive for the playoffs in KC last year).   If we really want to be critical, the Eagles gave up on Lewis pretty quickly and that turned out to be a huge whiff. 

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So you're letting Sanders go in 2-3 years then? I'm not arguing against it necessarily just curious.

Yes. I’m not paying him top 3 money. Right now it would be over $13M per year. In 2-3 years Saqoun will sign a long term deal so likely means top 3 will be Barkley, McCaffrey, Sanders. No thanks. I’ll gladly take a 1 and a 2.

11 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I think they had and they continued.  (With both Shady and Carter.). The Shady trade brought in Kiko and probably resulted in the Murray signing as well.  Those two were key pieces to getting Carson, which resulted in the latest Super Bowl championship for an NFCE team.  His contract was a bit bloated.  I think we got Murray and Matthews for the cost of his contract. Murray didn’t work out but Murray was a decent bargain.  

As a runner, I enjoyed Shady although I hated that he carries the football like a loaf of bread. (Got him inactive for the playoffs in KC last year).   If we really want to be critical, the Eagles gave up on Lewis pretty quickly and that turned out to be a huge whiff. 

I'm willing to bet that Chip did not. 

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yes. I’m not paying him top 3 money. Right now it would be over $13M per year. In 2-3 years Saqoun will sign a long term deal so likely means top 3 will be Barkley, McCaffrey, Sanders. No thanks. I’ll gladly take a 1 and a 2.

No one is offering a 1 & a 2 for a RB. 

Carolina wouldn't accept a 2 for CMC. RBs who can catch passes are very different than RBs who don't. 

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

No one is offering a 1 & a 2 for a RB. 

Well yea but that’s the scenario proposed. You could drop it to just a 2 and I’d probably still do the trade 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Well yea but that’s the scenario proposed. You could drop it to just a 2 and I’d probably still do the trade 

IMO, it only makes sense to trade a good RB once he hits his 2nd contract. Trading a 2nd for Miles today, when he costs very little, is sub-optimal. Once he's in year 4, then a 2nd is tough to pass up.

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

IMO, it only makes sense to trade a good RB once he hits his 2nd contract. Trading a 2nd for Miles today, when he costs very little, is sub-optimal. Once he's in year 4, then a 2nd is tough to pass up.

That’s the debate. Pay him top 3 money in 3 years or trade him. 
 

The scenario is a bit extreme on both sides though. No one is giving up premium picks just to sign a RB to a long term deal. And if Sanders is a notch below McCoy/Westbrook no one is paying him top 3. If both hold true I’d be open to a 2nd contract but my offer would be outside top 5 money. If he’s looking for something comparable to CMC I’m out.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The scenario is a bit extreme on both sides though. No one is giving up premium picks just to sign a RB to a long term deal. And if Sanders is a notch below McCoy/Westbrook no one is paying him top 3. If both hold true I’d be open to a 2nd contract but my offer would be outside top 5 money. If he’s looking for something comparable to CMC I’m out.

It does depend on the offer. I'd do Melvin Gordon's deal (2Y/16M) or Mark Ingram (3Y/15M). You're paying a fair price for a player who will still be in his prime.

Avoid Zeke's contract (6Y/90M) like the plague.

With all the running back talk, I'm excited to see if Corey Clement can stay healthy and regain 2017 form.  Aside from the SB he had some monster games, Denver comes to mind.  I like his skillset and attitude a lot.

Sanders will never reach the level of McCaffery, Zeke or Barkley so we don't have to worry about it. Yes he will be a nice player for our team BUT he will never be the top elite RB in the league in our system. So in the end when he gets his new contract it will be a above avg RB deal worth roughly around 7-8 mill a season by that point. The top elite will get in the 15-16 range. 

26 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Sanders will never reach the level of McCaffery, Zeke or Barkley so we don't have to worry about it. Yes he will be a nice player for our team BUT he will never be the top elite RB in the league in our system. So in the end when he gets his new contract it will be a above avg RB deal worth roughly around 7-8 mill a season by that point. The top elite will get in the 15-16 range. 

I don’t agree with that.  I could easily see Boobie being as good as any of them and maybe superior to Elliott and even Barkley as a receiving RB.  

Neither here nor there, but in Dallas’ first open practice Lamb lined up mostly in the slot. 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

I don’t agree with that.  I could easily see Boobie being as good as any of them and maybe superior to Elliott and even Barkley as a receiving RB.  

Yes, I think we move away from RBBC a little bit this season with Sanders getting the decided majority of snaps as long as he's healthy.  I can't see Clement/Scott touches together being equal to Sanders.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Neither here nor there, but in Dallas’ first open practice Lamb lined up mostly in the slot. 

He's going to be dangerous out of the slot.  Gallup and Cooper on the outside with CeeDee in the slot.  Zeke in the backfield and a pretty decent O-line still.  Dak has no excuses not to put up huge numbers.

4 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok.  What does have to do with a running back?   

No team in the modern NFL would offer a 1st and a 2nd though.  Seattle gave up 2 1sts for a safety. I see no reason someone wouldn't give up a 1st and a 2nd if Sanders has a monster year. After all Minnesota gave us a 1st for Bradford

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Yes, I think we move away from RBBC a little bit this season with Sanders getting the decided majority of snaps as long as he's healthy.  I can't see Clement/Scott touches together being equal to Sanders.

I think you might see the opposite.  Boston Scott proved he can play.  If CC can return to form you have a healthy stable at RB.  Would they go 3-headed monster to keep Sanders numbers down so as to not warrant a huge contract?  Is that just a ridiculous thought?

I want Sanders to be the lead dog.  I hate seeing Duce take out the hot hand, it never makes sense.  

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think you might see the opposite.  Boston Scott proved he can play.  If CC can return to form you have a healthy stable at RB.  Would they go 3-headed monster to keep Sanders numbers down so as to not warrant a huge contract?  Is that just a ridiculous thought?

I want Sanders to be the lead dog.  I hate seeing Duce take out the hot hand, it never makes sense.  

I'm not a believer in Boston Scott yet.  He's shown to be a serviceable player against poor competition later last season, but a little bit in the Greg Ward fashion he's earned a right to compete, but he's not a full time starter yet.  I really have no expectations at all for Clement; anything useful the Eagles get from him would be gravy.

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'm not a believer in Boston Scott yet.  He's shown to be a serviceable player against poor competition later last season, but a little bit in the Greg Ward fashion he's earned a right to compete, but he's not a full time starter yet.  I really have no expectations at all for Clement; anything useful the Eagles get from him would be gravy.

At least he looked good and flashed. Ward was super meh outside of the winner against Washington. 

The exciting part about Sanders is that he seemed to get better every game last year. Early on, he was absolute garbage as a runner. As the season progressed, he started looking more and more like a complete, borderline tier 1 type of back. If he keeps improving at last year's rate, we're in for something special.

14 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'm not a believer in Boston Scott yet.  He's shown to be a serviceable player against poor competition later last season, but a little bit in the Greg Ward fashion he's earned a right to compete, but he's not a full time starter yet.  I really have no expectations at all for Clement; anything useful the Eagles get from him would be gravy.

Oh I agree.  Scott is no where near a starter but he did put up some impressive numbers last year over a 4-5 game stretch.  I think he can be a great role player but we do need to see more.  Ward on the other hand has earned and proven he can start in the slot. 

Clement, yep anything they get is just icing on the cake.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

At least he looked good and flashed. Ward was super meh outside of the winner against Washington. 

At least Ward has chemistry with Wentz. Didn't make a bunch of explosive plays, but always seemed to be in the right place. Was decent with the ball in his hands. After years of Agholor's mental roller coasters, Ward's presence is a breath of fresh air at that position.