Just now, Saltpeter said:

At least Ward has chemistry with Wentz. Didn't make a bunch of explosive plays, but always seemed to be in the right place. Was decent with the ball in his hands. After years of Agholor's mental roller coasters, Ward's presence is a breath of fresh air at that position.

Sure, but that’s setting the bar way too low IMO. People are using Agholor’s incompetence to prop up Ward. The fact is Ward isn’t good either, at least based on what we saw last year. 

Could he improve? Sure. 

Ward rotating in the slot is fine for one year with no mini camps/OTAs/traditional TC etc, but unless he plays shockingly well, should be upgraded next year. 

 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sure, but that’s setting the bar way too low IMO. People are using Agholor’s incompetence to prop up Ward. The fact is Ward isn’t good either, at least based on what we saw last year. 

Could he improve? Sure. 

What makes you think Ward isn't good?  He produced when asked to.  He did the exact same thing Jason Avant was asked to do and now he has him coaching him up.  He also produced with no other weapons around him at WR.  Imagine having speed on both sides of Ward now and he has a ton more space to work with.  I don't understand when people say he isn't good.  

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sure, but that’s setting the bar way too low IMO. People are using Agholor’s incompetence to prop up Ward. The fact is Ward isn’t good either, at least based on what we saw last year. 

Could he improve? Sure. 

I'm for whatever is going to make Wentz the most confident so he can settle down and develop more consistent accuracy. Wentz was very good when throwing to Ward last year. Zero need to disrupt that, in my opinion.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What makes you think Ward isn't good?  He produced when asked to.  He did the exact same thing Jason Avant was asked to do and now he has him coaching him up.  He also produced with no other weapons around him at WR.  Imagine having speed on both sides of Ward now and he has a ton more space to work with.  I don't understand when people say he isn't good.  

Because he didn’t really beat man coverage. He caught a bunch of passes vs soft zone coverage and slant-flat combo vs linebackers. His one long catch was because of a coverage bust. 

I rewatched him this offseason. He didn’t do anything that made me feel like he should be a top three WR on a good offense. He should be depth and a special teamer based on what I saw a year ago. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Because he didn’t really beat man coverage. He caught a bunch of passes vs soft zone coverage and slant-flat combo vs linebackers. His one long catch was because of a coverage bust. 

I rewatched him this offseason. He didn’t do anything that made me feel like he should be a top three WR on a good offense. He should be depth and a special teamer based on what I saw a year ago. 

So he was able to do that his very first time playing WR against NFL defenders.  Let's keep in mind he is still learning the position.  For him to come in and produce tells me there is something there.  You better believe that the confidence he built from that is going to help him be even better this year.  Just look at JJAW and Nelson to see how much a lack of confidence can disrupt your play.

Ward isn't going to make any Pro Bowls out of the slot but I can see him as a 50 catch 5 TD guy.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 I’m talking about running backs.  Not any position.   And specifically Miles Sanders.  I’ll ask again.  What does Seattle and now Bradford have to do with a running back and Miles Sanders?    Quarterbacks and Safeties hold much more value than running backs.  JFC.  

I don’t have the answer to this but what’s the biggest package a team has received for a rb in the last 20 years? Frankly if mccaffrey were to be traded I’m curious to see what he would get. I’m betting it’s less than we think it should be. 

3 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I'm for whatever is going to make Wentz the most confident so he can settle down and develop more consistent accuracy. Wentz was very good when throwing to Ward last year. Zero need to disrupt that, in my opinion.

He averaged exactly 8 yards per catch if you remove his 38-yard catch against Dallas where they busted the coverage. Wentz wasn’t good throwing to him. He averaged 6.3 yards per target to Ward, 5.5 if you remove the coverage bust. That’s horribly inefficient. People aren’t looking at him objectively. They’re double counting his production because every other WR was a train wreck last year. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

So he was able to do that his very first time playing WR against NFL defenders.  Let's keep in mind he is still learning the position.  For him to come in and produce tells me there is something there.  You better believe that the confidence he built from that is going to help him be even better this year.  Just look at JJAW and Nelson to see how much a lack of confidence can disrupt your play.

Ward isn't going to make any Pro Bowls out of the slot but I can see him as a 50 catch 5 TD guy.

I hope not. That means we’re playing him way too much. 

32 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Yes, I think we move away from RBBC a little bit this season with Sanders getting the decided majority of snaps as long as he's healthy.  I can't see Clement/Scott touches together being equal to Sanders.

I know it was four years ago and Miles fumbles and the play of Barkley kept him from getting plays, but Miles was the highest ranked high school prospect than Elliott, Barkley and McCaffrey.  His stats were close to Barkley their last college years as runners.  Barkley had better receiving stats but I think Miles blew away any questions about his receiving last year. Of the four of them, he comes out of college fresher. 

Scott is a great change of pace back. I think the Eagles were looking for a Sproles type, but I offer this, same weight as Bryan Westbrook.   A couple inches shorter but also faster. And better hands than Sproles. Like Sproles and Westbrook, he has really good balance and like Westbrook seems to have a good first step. Not convinced he has that contact reflex that let Bryan avoid people.  Probably not as good of hands as Westbrook (catching balls at his shoelaces from McNabb was an art).  But I think he will flourish as that Sproles replacement. 

If Corey can get back that freshman hit streak and stay healthy, he may offer what he did as a rookie, fresh legs and good hands.

I like Warren over Holyfield.  The latter needs to be timed with a sundial and no receiving threat.  I think the Eagles see Blount potential in him.  I don’t.  Warren isn’t as big but he has hands and decent footwork. May come down to bulk and ability to gain tough yards in the trenches, if either make it.  Not sure I believe they might not find challenge in the final cuts from other teams. Killers is a wildcard. Has to show he is a small back that if you get a hand on him, falls down. 

33 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

The exciting part about Sanders is that he seemed to get better every game last year. Early on, he was absolute garbage as a runner. As the season progressed, he started looking more and more like a complete, borderline tier 1 type of back. If he keeps improving at last year's rate, we're in for something special.

This is what he cured that made him a better runner

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He averaged exactly 8 yards per catch if you remove his 38-yard catch against Dallas where they busted the coverage. Wentz wasn’t good throwing to him. He averaged 6.3 yards per target to Ward, 5.5 if you remove the coverage bust. That’s horribly inefficient. People aren’t looking at him objectively. They’re double counting his production because every other WR was a train wreck last year. 

With Ward its wait and see.  But one thing about last year was guys like JJAW, Hollins and Agholor got reps in practice nearly all season while ward was on the back burner, on the PS and not getting any opportunities till the last quarter of the year.  

If hes actually one of the 6 WRs then he'll get more coaching, more reps in practice.

He's one of the guys I think will be a nice player and someone I think Carson trusts.  But like I said, its wait and see.

Agholor had a specific roll as a slot receiver in 2017 and thrived.

Because of injuries in 2018 and 2019, they needed to ask more from him.  And he disappointed.  Bigly.

Ward was used the same as Agholor in 2017 and he did it well.

Just now, 315Eagles said:

With Ward its wait and see.  But one thing about last year was guys like JJAW, Hollins and Agholor got reps in practice nearly all season while ward was on the back burner, on the PS and not getting any opportunities till the last quarter of the year.  

If hes actually one of the 6 WRs then he'll get more coaching, more reps in practice.

He's one of the guys I think will be a nice player and someone I think Carson trusts.  But like I said, its wait and see.

I do think the pandemic will help him carve out a role. Unless he makes a giant leap forward, I hope he’s eventually pushed down the depth chart by JJAW and the other youngsters. 

15 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 I’m talking about running backs.  Not any position.   And specifically Miles Sanders.  I’ll ask again.  What does Seattle and now Bradford have to do with a running back and Miles Sanders?    Quarterbacks and Safeties hold much more value than running backs.  JFC.  

Thank you.  JFC.  The density of some people. 

Do you think Adams is worth 2 1sts? Or Bradford worth a 1st? Well neither do I.  I'm not saying anyone is gonna offer those 2 picks for Sanders but dumber trades have been made.

That did Minnesota give up for Herschel Walker?

Someone speculated about a trade, we commented on the speculation. Nothing more, nothing less.

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

So he was able to do that his very first time playing WR against NFL defenders.  Let's keep in mind he is still learning the position.  For him to come in and produce tells me there is something there.  You better believe that the confidence he built from that is going to help him be even better this year.  Just look at JJAW and Nelson to see how much a lack of confidence can disrupt your play.

Ward isn't going to make any Pro Bowls out of the slot but I can see him as a 50 catch 5 TD guy.

He's been a part time WR since High School and has been learning full time at a professional level since 2017. It's not like he just switched a year ago

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Agholor had a specific roll as a slot receiver in 2017 and thrived.

Because of injuries in 2018 and 2019, they needed to ask more from him.  And he disappointed.  Bigly.

Ward was used the same as Agholor in 2017 and he did it well.

Ward absolutely was not used the same as Agholor in 2017. The yards per catch and yards per target numbers were much different. Ward’s average depth of target was 6.8 yards, which was 104th in the NFL. 

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t have the answer to this but what’s the biggest package a team has received for a rb in the last 20 years? Frankly if mccaffrey were to be traded I’m curious to see what he would get. I’m betting it’s less than we think it should be. 

I'm guessing Trent Richardson for a 1?

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm guessing Trent Richardson for a 1?

That’s who i was thinking. 

 

Caplan and Mosher said JJAW has been working more in the slot so far in camp. No idea if that’s just cross training or what. 

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s who i was thinking. 

And that was such a laughing stock reach at the time of trade only made worse by him being a disaster. He killed the trade market value for RB's. Pitt couldn't even get a 2 for Bell afterall.

27 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He averaged exactly 8 yards per catch if you remove his 38-yard catch against Dallas where they busted the coverage. Wentz wasn’t good throwing to him. He averaged 6.3 yards per target to Ward, 5.5 if you remove the coverage bust. That’s horribly inefficient. People aren’t looking at him objectively. They’re double counting his production because every other WR was a train wreck last year. 

Also keep in mind Ward was playing with a bunch of scrub receivers. 

Line Ward up in the slot with desean and reagor on the outside Ertz at TE and Sanders coming out of the back field and ward is going against nickel corners safeties and LBs.

I dont expect Ward to be a go to volume receiver i expect him to be another guy Wentz can trust on 3rd down to get a first down and make 1 or 2 plays a game. 

Right now Ward has caught the most passes from Wentz of any WR who is on active roster.

Jeffrey is PUP Desean was hurt after 1 game JJ was benched and caught only 10 passes and the rest are rookies or guys that have barely played.

Ward and the situation kind of reminds me of charles johnson. Charles johnson wasnt very good but he was reliable and mcnabb could trust him.

Difference is that early mcnabb to johnson offense had little else where as Ward wont be asked to be the number 1 WR like charles johnson instead he can just be a reliable target for wentz in a shortened off season.

Curious to see who the starters are game 1. 

Desean Reagor Ward?

Desean JJ ward?

Desean JJ Reagor?

Guess well see, hopefully.

 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

And that was such a laughing stock reach at the time of trade only made worse by him being a disaster. He killed the trade market value for RB's. Pitt couldn't even get a 2 for Bell afterall.

Yup. It’s why i think we’d be surprised if you went to trade someone like mccaffrey people would be surprised by how much Carolina would actually get. 

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Curious to see who the starters are game 1. 

Desean Reagor Ward?

Desean JJ ward?

Desean JJ Reagor?

Guess well see, hopefully.

 

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