54 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Be interesting to see what they do at DE. I think Ostman is obviously better than avery and shareef miller but eagles invested more in avery and miller(4th round picks) than Ostman UDFA. Hopefully clearer minds prevail and they keep the players that are playing well instead of trying to save face and keep guys just because of the resources put into them.

 

I think it’s going to be interesting to see what happens at cutdown. I think fans are putting a little too much stock into Oastman. All his sacks are coming against Mailata and mostly just spin moves. Not that it takes away what he’s doing but if all he’s doing is beating one guy with one move, the coaches may not be as high on him as we think 

49 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Don’t read to much into those "sacks”.  Typically in scrimmages and thud drills, the Eagles put men on an island.  That is to test how they handle situations like that in real games.  Heck, those could have been defensive snaps designed for the D to win.   Quite possibly plain vanilla blocking with no line calls. Some may have included tests of pass pro capabilities of the backs.  But the one on one situations tend to favor the DL.  Sounds like the only WR focused on of the top WRs was JJAW and he performed okay.  Sounds like Slay does just fine in one on ones. Heck next time we may be reading about Toohill being unable to tackle the lower round RBs. 

I'm not going to read too much into the preseason performances in general outside of "ability to stay on the field" for guys battling for a role (looking at you Sidney).  Still I feel as if Jackson has been kind of the forgotten man on that line despite a pretty impressive resume. Understandable since he's 2 years removed from high end performance by now and even healthy he's not on Hargrave or Cox's level at DT or Graham's level at DE, but I'm still very interested to see how he does come gameday.  IF he can perform that's huge for this line.

11 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Last year was his only injured season before that he had a concussion in 2015. 

You are correct.  I thought he had nagging stuff in 2018, but looks like he just lost playing time to younger guys.

12 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Oh absolutely.  And I fully agree it would be a bad idea.  Let him sign with Dallas and ruin them from the inside.

I just couldn't resist a nice brother threesome joke.  That story was hilarious. 

Every time someone mentions threesome jokes it conjures up my favorite episode of The Champ — a fine example of Canadian radio comedy from the 90s:

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

FYI: No practice today. 

Also just to piggy back off this, there’s only 5 more practices reporters can attend. They still don’t know if they will be permitted to watch the first 15 minutes during the regular season. 

 

So Sunday to Thursday is all were going to get.

48 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yes and they both play DE and were first round picks for the eagles.not sure what measurables have to do with it.

For those of us that didnt sniff glue for breakfast its a fair comparison.

I ran out of Golden Grahams. And the comparison is silly. 

43 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Didn’t we just get rid of an overpriced over the hill S?

Yes, but this one likes threesomes with his brother. 

 

55 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yes and they both play DE and were first round picks for the eagles.not sure what measurables have to do with it.

For those of us that didnt sniff glue for breakfast its a fair comparison.

Hey.....nothing wrong with a little glue for breakfast.

39 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think it’s going to be interesting to see what happens at cutdown. I think fans are putting a little too much stock into Oastman. All his sacks are coming against Mailata and mostly just spin moves. Not that it takes away what he’s doing but if all he’s doing is beating one guy with one move, the coaches may not be as high on him as we think 

I don't know how much the fifth DE spot really matters. He will only play if someone gets hurt, and no one has gone screaming up the depth chart. I thought Miller looked good last year in preseason, but the team doesn't seem high on him. Toohill and Ostman have had moments. But if the team was really excited about any of them, Vinny Curry would be in Cleveland right now.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/08/21/report-titans-tackle-isaiah-wilson-attended-an-off-campus-party-at-tennessee-state/

Goodell needs to act swiftly on this. A ten day quarantine from the team and at least a game check fine.  This needs to show the seriousness of the offense and the risk he could have brought to the team. 

This is why there won't be a season. Selfish idiots will do what they want to do.

2 hours ago, Utebird said:

Be interesting to see what they do at DE. I think Ostman is obviously better than avery and shareef miller but eagles invested more in avery and miller(4th round picks) than Ostman UDFA. Hopefully clearer minds prevail and they keep the players that are playing well instead of trying to save face and keep guys just because of the resources put into them.

 

How do you get to the word "obviously"? The dude has never made an active roster, and missed the entire season last year without even playing in any preseason games. You haven't laid eyes on him in roughly two years. And somehow, he's not only better than two guys who were on the team last year but he's "obviously" better? 

Sounds to me like you're scouting with your ears here.

29 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I don't know how much the fifth DE spot really matters. He will only play if someone gets hurt, and no one has gone screaming up the depth chart. I thought Miller looked good last year in preseason, but the team doesn't seem high on him. Toohill and Ostman have had moments. But if the team was really excited about any of them, Vinny Curry would be in Cleveland right now.

Yea you’re right. The 5th guy is just gonna be 2019 Daeshon Hall, the guy who barely plays and fans question why. I’m just more curious if Howie stays with Avery/Miller because of the capital given or if he admits his mistakes and keeps Oastman over them 

11 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

How do you get to the word "obviously"? The dude has never made an active roster, and missed the entire season last year without even playing in any preseason games. You haven't laid eyes on him in roughly two years. And somehow, he's not only better than two guys who were on the team last year but he's "obviously" better? 

Sounds to me like you're scouting with your ears here.

That’s what I was getting at. His name is coming up a lot from reporters but he’s just beating up Mailata with spin moves. I don’t know how much stock you can put into that 

Total fluff piece but I'm bored. 

2 hours ago, hputenis said:

😂😂 Underrated insult. 
Wonder what took so long here.  Did they need video evidence of him and his brother tag teaming the same chick in that super creepy story?  
 

Did I miss a story here?  Why don't the Ravens want him around?

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

The Avery trade seems to be a "head scratcher” atm.   We’ll see if he does anything this year. Still a "weird” mid season trade, imo.

Considering that Howie sent a 4th round pick for a guy taken in the 5th and hadn't even performed to 5th round expectations is what blows your mind.  Generally when a player doesn't match their draft position the team would take something below the intitial draft slot.  I see this happening with Sidney Jones.  I think they would be lucky to get a 5th/6th round pick for him.  

Why in the world would Howie give a 4th for Avery?  The Browns bent Howie over on that one.

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Did I miss a story here?  Why don't the Ravens want him around?

He got into a fight with another Safety on his team and almost punched him.

Ravens sent him home and he’s not at practice. People are speculating he’ll be cut but nothing concrete on that 

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Did I miss a story here?  Why don't the Ravens want him around?

Following up on LeanGreen's response, a little while back his wife caught him tag-teaming some girl with his own brother and held him at gunpoint.  🤮   

6 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Following up on LeanGreen's response, a little while back his wife caught him tag-teaming some girl with his own brother and held him at gunpoint.  🤮   

Seems a little drastic.  Maybe they thought she'd be into it.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Seems a little drastic.  Maybe they thought she'd be into it.

 

 

This is so accurate:

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A sack is a great play by a pass rusher, but that doesn’t mean counting up every pass rusher’s total number of sacks is the best way to determine who the best pass rusher in the NFL is.

As explained by Packers outside linebackers coach Mike Smith, what really measures a pass rusher’s worth is how many pressures he gets over the course of a season. Sacks represent such a small number of plays over the course of a year (about 7 percent of all dropbacks resulted in sacks last season) that they simply can’t measure everything a pass rusher does.

"I don’t know what happened. A long time ago somebody — probably when they started recording sacks — fans, coaches, whoever, defined a great pass rusher, or an effective pass rusher, off of sacks. That’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen. You define a great pass-rusher by consistency,” Smith said.

A pass rusher who averages one sack a game would be an All-Pro, but Smith said a pass rusher who gets regular pressure, several times a game, does more to help his team win.

"You have to look how they are affecting the quarterback,” Smith said. "When they are in the game, are they affecting the quarterback, with the pressures? Because sacks are important, don’t get me wrong. . . . I care about pressure, affecting the quarterback, that’s the No. 1 thing. I’ll take a guy that does his job play after play after play after play, being consistent, and has zero sacks, but does his job and affects the quarterback.”

Unfortunately, pressures are not an official NFL statistic. But they’re increasingly charted by independent analytics outlets, and they give a more complete picture of how well a pass rusher does his job.

2 minutes ago, Shocker54 said:

Ay yo ay yo 

Earl Thomas might be gotten release soon 

Why might he be released?

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

This is so accurate:

Getty Images

A sack is a great play by a pass rusher, but that doesn’t mean counting up every pass rusher’s total number of sacks is the best way to determine who the best pass rusher in the NFL is.

As explained by Packers outside linebackers coach Mike Smith, what really measures a pass rusher’s worth is how many pressures he gets over the course of a season. Sacks represent such a small number of plays over the course of a year (about 7 percent of all dropbacks resulted in sacks last season) that they simply can’t measure everything a pass rusher does.

"I don’t know what happened. A long time ago somebody — probably when they started recording sacks — fans, coaches, whoever, defined a great pass rusher, or an effective pass rusher, off of sacks. That’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen. You define a great pass-rusher by consistency,” Smith said.

A pass rusher who averages one sack a game would be an All-Pro, but Smith said a pass rusher who gets regular pressure, several times a game, does more to help his team win.

"You have to look how they are affecting the quarterback,” Smith said. "When they are in the game, are they affecting the quarterback, with the pressures? Because sacks are important, don’t get me wrong. . . . I care about pressure, affecting the quarterback, that’s the No. 1 thing. I’ll take a guy that does his job play after play after play after play, being consistent, and has zero sacks, but does his job and affects the quarterback.”

Unfortunately, pressures are not an official NFL statistic. But they’re increasingly charted by independent analytics outlets, and they give a more complete picture of how well a pass rusher does his job.

I wish they would make pressures an official statistic.  The casual fan will never understand this.  It's why I laugh when people compare Derek Barnett's sack numbers to Clowney when trying to compare the 2.  One of them disrupts and blows up offenses at an elite level.  The other one is Barnett.

A sack leads to a known end. The play is dead.

A pressure ranges from the QB getting the ball out with a perfect pass anyway, to flushing him out for a long gain, or picking up yards with his legs, or...maybe an incompletion or even interception.

Pressures are kind of unquantifiable. You can count them, but that doesnt mean youve had the same amount of positive impacts on plays. The pressure stat really doesnt tell a story at all. It can end in a good play for the defense, or a good play for the offense.

A sack always tells the whole story. A sack is always the end of a play. A loss of down, and loss of yardage for the offense. And a great play for the defense.

You can pretty much assume a player who is consistent in sacking, is also consistent in pressures. 

While a player with a lot of pressures might be incredibly average, or below average. Like a Barnett.

Too often for the eagles it seems like pressures still turn in to positive plays. Give me sacks. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

A sack leads to a known end. The play is dead.

A pressure ranges from the QB getting the ball out with a perfect pass anyway, to flushing him out for a long gain, or picking up yards with his legs, or...maybe an incompletion or even interception.

Pressures are kind of unquantifiable. You can count them, but that doesnt mean youve had the same amount of positive impacts on plays. It can just as easily be a meaningless stat.

A sack never is.

You can pretty much assume a player who is consistent in sacking, is also consistent in pressures. 

While a player with a lot of pressures might be incredibly average, or below average. Like a Barnett.

Too often for the eagles it seems like pressures still turn in to positive plays. Give me sacks. 

I think a lot of this has to do with the fact that our pass D has been the worst in the league the last 3-4 years.  When receivers create separation against our DBs in .5 seconds, the pressures are almost pointless.  Hopefully Slay changes that this year, and this DL gets more coverage sacks/pressures.

2 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I think a lot of this has to do with the fact that our pass D has been the worst in the league the last 3-4 years.  When receivers create separation against our DBs in .5 seconds, the pressures are almost pointless.  Hopefully Slay changes that this year, and this DL gets more coverage sacks/pressures.

A lot of it also has to do with our DEs maybe getting pressures but still not necessarily being close enough to even get a QB hit.

If you wanna count stats thats something short of a sack but still good, give me QB hits. Barnett doesnt really know what that even is. 

A hit will affect a throw much more often than a pressure will. And a hit may affect future throws as well. A bunch of hits... always a good thing. 

If we're using the sack as the measuring stick, wouldn't a qb hit always be considered a pressure anyway?