1 minute ago, Green Dog said:

If we're using the sack as the measuring stick, wouldn't a qb hit always be considered a pressure anyway? 

yeah but a pressure is not always a QB hit. One is better than the other. 

 

44 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Following up on LeanGreen's response, a little while back his wife caught him tag-teaming some girl with his own brother and held him at gunpoint.  🤮   

 

 

52 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

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A sack always tells the whole story. A sack is always the end of a play. A loss of down, and loss of yardage for the offense. And a great play for the defense.

You can pretty much assume a player who is consistent in sacking, is also consistent in pressures. 

 

With such a small sample size this doesn’t bear out. 

45 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

 

That’s leadership ..... in his eyes, I guess.  Let me go on social media to tattle on a teammate with footage from a closed practice.

What a turd.  Quite possibly a future Cowturd 

24 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That’s leadership ..... in his eyes, I guess.  Let me go on social media to tattle on a teammate with footage from a closed practice.

What a turd.  Quite possibly a future Cowturd 

Am I missing something from this video?  I've watched it twice.  Does Earl Thomas even do anything?  

1 hour ago, Shocker54 said:

Ay yo ay yo 

Earl Thomas might be gotten release soon 

and you know where he'll end up right?   

Dallas

7 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Am I missing something from this video?  I've watched it twice.  Does Earl Thomas even do anything?  

That's him in the deep middle, throwing his helmet off and about to be an arse.  He conveniently cuts it off right before he looks childish and stupid.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That's him in the deep middle, throwing his helmet off and about to be an arse.  He conveniently cuts it off right before he looks childish and stupid.

Someone should tweet him and just be like "oh brother”

4 hours ago, Utebird said:

Yes and they both play DE and were first round picks for the eagles.not sure what measurables have to do with it.

For those of us that didnt sniff glue for breakfast its a fair comparison.

Agreed, Mamula is thought of as a bust because we should have drafted Sapp.

Just like we should have taken Hooker, Humphrey (can't believe I named a Mama CB), Peppers or White.

28 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Am I missing something from this video?  I've watched it twice.  Does Earl Thomas even do anything?  

no, he watches Clark get beat on the deep route and immediately rips his helmet off.

Maybe it was one of those plays where if the offense scores, the defense has to run laps.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

A lot of it also has to do with our DEs maybe getting pressures but still not necessarily being close enough to even get a QB hit.

If you wanna count stats thats something short of a sack but still good, give me QB hits. Barnett doesnt really know what that even is. 

A hit will affect a throw much more often than a pressure will. And a hit may affect future throws as well. A bunch of hits... always a good thing. 

The point of the wide 9 is to seal the edges while collapsing the pocket.  Cox plus a bunch of street free agents doesn’t work as well as Cox next to Hargrave, Jackson or Ridgeway or a nice rotation of those four while each player performs his gap assignment and protects against the run.  Barnett and Graham should benefit from a healthy group of DTs and hopefully decent play from Vinny and Sweat.  Would love to see some of the other DEs step up into the rotation.  

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

You can pretty much assume a player who is consistent in sacking, is also consistent in pressures.

Actually, you can't. A lot of sack artists rely on one or two moves, and when they're thwarted, stop working - so they get sacks when it works, and go MIA when it doesn't.

Guys like Graham work until the end of the play, so while he may not have the first step twitch to get a lot of clean lanes to QBs, he works his way into the pocket, creating pressure.

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Actually, you can't. A lot of sack artists rely on one or two moves, and when they're thwarted, stop working - so they get sacks when it works, and go MIA when it doesn't.

Guys like Graham work until the end of the play, so while he may not have the first step twitch to get a lot of clean lanes to QBs, he works his way into the pocket, creating pressure.

So youre not actually talking about a player who is consistent...  Youre beginning a whole new discussion while quoting one of my posts. 

When speaking of your type of player Ill take a sack artist over a pressure artist who gets pressures when it works and goes MIA when it doesnt.

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

 

Even Manu should appreciate his humble, work ethic enthusiasm. 

1 hour ago, hputenis said:

Am I missing something from this video?  I've watched it twice.  Does Earl Thomas even do anything?  

 

55 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That's him in the deep middle, throwing his helmet off and about to be an arse.  He conveniently cuts it off right before he looks childish and stupid.

Chuck Clark is deep middle throwing his helmet off. It’s hard to tell but if you go frame by frame you see it’s 36 taking his helmet off. Earl Thomas was supposed to stick with Mark Andrews but peels off to cover the WR who Clark was already shading coverage his way. 
 

He probably shouldn’t have been in the box that far and certainly shouldn’t leave Mark Andrews vs a LB one on one 

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

So youre not actually talking about a player who is consistent...  Youre beginning a whole new discussion while quoting one of my posts. 

When speaking of your type of player Ill take a sack artist over a pressure artist who gets pressures when it works and goes MIA when it doesnt.

I don’t want any player to go MIA.  My point in posting that viewpoint from a D coach is that for a lineman the number of sacks is not the only measurement, neither is the number of tackles.  I want gap discipline with pressure.  With that and good coverage comes sacks.  I don’t want a Babin, who was only focused on sacks or a Clowney, who takes plays off.  I would never take Babin over Graham.  

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I don’t want any player to go MIA.  My point in posting that viewpoint from a D coach is that for a lineman the number of sacks is not the only measurement, neither is the number of tackles.  I want gap discipline with pressure.  With that and good coverage comes sacks.  I don’t want a Babin, who was only focused on sacks or a Clowney, who takes plays off.  I would never take Babin over Graham.  

Sacks can also be a fluky measurement. Everyone's favorite player Marcus Smith had a ton of sacks in college, but most of them were simply cases where he was unblocked. 

Yesterday Sweat had two plays in a row in which he made an impact on the play. On the first he cleanly beat Dillard for a sack. On the second he pushed Dillard back into Wentz so he had to step up into a sack by Cox. Do we discard the second play since he didn't make the sack? Is it any less important? Clearly making plays like that are much different than Toohill taking advantage of a blown blocking screen to race in for sacks on back to back plays.

Some on here would argue that Toohill did better because he recorded two sacks. But anyone with a brain would see that Sweat made the superior plays, even if the stat sheet was much different.

But we shouldn't complain. Reliance on sacks means that we get Graham and Curry at a huge discount. Meanwhile the Cowboys have to spend a ton to keep Lawrence, who isn't appreciably better.

13 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I don’t want any player to go MIA.  My point in posting that viewpoint from a D coach is that for a lineman the number of sacks is not the only measurement, neither is the number of tackles.  I want gap discipline with pressure.  With that and good coverage comes sacks.  I don’t want a Babin, who was only focused on sacks or a Clowney, who takes plays off.  I would never take Babin over Graham.  

Id take Graham as well as he does not go MIA. He consistently gets pressure and makes big plays against the run.

I would take Babin over Barnett though. Babin was a consistent sacker for us though he didnt play the run well. Barnett does not play contain either because he has to sell out to get to the QB to try to get home, and still cant. 

7 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Sacks can also be a fluky measurement. Everyone's favorite player Marcus Smith had a ton of sacks in college, but most of them were simply cases where he was unblocked. 

Yesterday Sweat had two plays in a row in which he made an impact on the play. On the first he cleanly beat Dillard for a sack. On the second he pushed Dillard back into Wentz so he had to step up into a sack by Cox. Do we discard the second play since he didn't make the sack? Is it any less important? Clearly making plays like that are much different than Toohill taking advantage of a blown blocking screen to race in for sacks on back to back plays.

Some on here would argue that Toohill did better because he recorded two sacks. But anyone with a brain would see that Sweat made the superior plays, even if the stat sheet was much different.

But we shouldn't complain. Reliance on sacks means that we get Graham and Curry at a huge discount. Meanwhile the Cowboys have to spend a ton to keep Lawrence, who isn't appreciably better.

thats why pressures as a defense of a non-sacker are not a strong argument. Pressures dont tell the whole story either. Many pressures are pretty inconsequential to the result of the play. 

5 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think it’s going to be interesting to see what happens at cutdown. I think fans are putting a little too much stock into Oastman. All his sacks are coming against Mailata and mostly just spin moves. Not that it takes away what he’s doing but if all he’s doing is beating one guy with one move, the coaches may not be as high on him as we think 

Still thats more than avery and miller have done. Which is sad😞

4 hours ago, hputenis said:

I ran out of Golden Grahams. And the comparison is silly. 

Comparing two DEs first 3 years that were drafted in the 1st round by the eagles is silly???

I think the glue you are sniffin is silly!

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Still thats more than avery and miller have done. Which is sad😞

It is sad. And I’m worried Howie will buy into a sunk cost fallacy with those two.