Ahh.  Baseball.  Think I will opt for something more entertaining and watch some paint dry. 

5 hours ago, Original Sin said:

Banned? For hurting feelings on a football message board , because of a differing opinion  ?

Grow up.

In the future,  just say beast please stop , I don't agree with you and you are starting to upset me.

And I will stop ,believe it or not I dont come here with intentions of hurting feelings.

No, here's how it going to work. If you want to have real discussion you are welcome to do so. If you start trolling again like you did yesterday you will be reported. If you don't know the difference then it's up to you to figure it out. 

1 hour ago, Allhaildawk said:

What are you shooting that you think you can stone a deee at 300 yds. Busting out the old cheytac from Afghanistan?

400 yards I can put 8 out of 10 in a pie plate with my .270. The key is a steady rest and calmer winds for me. Longest deer shot I ever had to make was 300 though. 

14 minutes ago, greend said:

No, here's how it going to work. If you want to have real discussion you are welcome to do so. If you start trolling again like you did yesterday you will be reported. If you don't know the difference then it's up to you to figure it out. 

Report away ..you big tough marathon runner , deer hunter you.

Your thin skin is laughable. 

 

My discussion was with manu , not you.

Now post what part of my discussion was trolling,  trolling doesn't mean at what point were your feelings hurt.

I'll wait. 

10 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

My discussion was with manu , not you.

Now post what part of my discussion was trolling,  trolling doesn't mean at what point were your feelings hurt.

I'll wait. 

take your rating system for Carson Wentz and apply it to the buc's WR group that you told us was the best in the league. Let us know where they actually rank on the same criteria. Ill wait. Thats playoff wins, and record vs better than .500 teams. 

If you are right that they are the best group in the league based on the same criteria that you harshly grade Wentz on, then youre right.

If you are wrong, then you can either admit you are wrong, or admit you were trolling by telling us Wentz isnt even top 15 while hyping up the bucs using a completely different criteria. 

Back at you , tell me why Wentz is top 5 qb?

Based on what....dont give me his stats 

Stats are for losers some HC oncr said.

Otherwise you're trolling. 

 

I personally think wentz has done nothing to warrant his contract 

I'm basing it on wins against teams  500 or better 

Playoff victories 

Turnovers 

And his time in the league. 

 

Speaking of Bucs talent , there is a reason winston is gone,  he had no playoff appearances,  too many turnovers  ,sucked against the better teams .

His contract was up, they didnt wanna pay him a big contract.

They feel brady can do better with the offensive weapons. 

7 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Back at you , tell me why Wentz is top 5 qb?

Based on what....dont give me his stats 

Stats are for losers some HC oncr said.

Otherwise you're trolling. 

 

I personally think wentz has done nothing to warrant his contract 

I'm basing it on wins against teams  500 or better 

Playoff victories 

Turnovers 

And his time in the league. 

The burden of proof of objectivity is on you. You presented the argument against Wentz, and made the statement on the bucs WRs. Lets see if you objectively use the same criteria or if you just wanted to tear down the eagles and hype the bucs to annoy people. 

Now you are saying stats are for losers, but flat out say you are basing your Wentz claim on stats such as playoff victories, turnovers, and win% against .500+ teams. You are contradicting yourself just to say negative things about the eagles. This is why you earn the troll label. Youre not consistent in what youre saying. Different standards to tear down the eagles, and hype the bucs. 

I am giving you this opportunity to dig yourself out of the hole you dug. Give us those bucs WR rankings based on the same criteria that shows Wentz isnt worth the contract. 

 

3 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

My personal opinion is there are less than 10 current NFL QBs who I’d give a long term contract to, at the current market rate.  My definition of a franchise QB is either a player who makes the team better by himself, or his departure would make the team significantly worse and be difficult to replace:

Yes — Mahomes, Wilson, Jackson, Rodgers, Wentz, Watson, Ryan

Worthy, but Too Old/Shot — Brady, Brees, Rivers, Roethliesberger

No — Allen, Stidham, Darnold, Tua, Burrow, Mayfield, Minshew, Lock, Carr, Taylor, Prescott, Jones, Haskins, Trubisky, Stafford, Cousins, Bridgewater, Murray, Goff

On The Fence — Tannehill, Garoppolo — Jimmy G has something but I’m still not sold; Tannehill has talent but was wasted in MIA; he might turn into something in TEN

 

I still think Rodgers has 4 good years left, so I’d sign him if he was available today.  Guys like Murray, Darnold, Burrow and Allen could still get into the Yes category with more experience.  Mayfield has the talent, but he’s just not a leader at all IMO

Where Foles will fall?  Is he too far advanced in career now that a short term contract is more appropriate to him?

 

3 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Back at you , tell me why Wentz is top 5 qb?

Based on what....dont give me his stats 

Stats are for losers some HC oncr said.

Otherwise you're trolling. 

 

I personally think wentz has done nothing to warrant his contract 

I'm basing it on wins against teams  500 or better 

Playoff victories 

Turnovers 

And his time in the league. 

You guys beat 1 team over 500 last year. 2 the year before that. 1 the year before that. You haven't been to the playoffs since 2007. So if those are the criteria you want you use to judge individuals or units on a team welp, good luck defending anything the Bucs have going for them.

9 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I personally think wentz has done nothing to warrant his contract 

What has Cousins done? Prescott, Goff, Garappolo?  What was the alternative, pay Foles $22M per season?  Go back into the draft and run without a franchise QB?

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

You guys beat 1 team over 500 last year. 2 the year before that. 1 the year before that. You haven't been to the playoffs since 2007. So if those are the criteria you want you use to judge individuals or units on a team welp, good luck defending anything the Bucs have going for them.

See above 

6 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Where Foles will fall?  Is he too far advanced in career now that a short term contract is more appropriate to him?

 

Yes I believe so — I wouldn’t give Foles franchise money; short-term one or two year deal is likely appropriate for him.

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

See above 

Looked above.  Still hypocritical.

56 minutes ago, greend said:

400 yards I can put 8 out of 10 in a pie plate with my .270. The key is a steady rest and calmer winds for me. Longest deer shot I ever had to make was 300 though. 

I like the 243 for deer.  Flat shooting, fast as hell.  No kick and plenty of power for a mule deer.  Accurate at long ranges.  For elk, I am shooting a 300 short mag all day long.  That is one bad round with little recoil.  Next choices would be .270 and 7mm mag.     

My uncle and brother both shot oryx this summer in New Mexico.  My uncle used a 7MM mag.  Not a great shot in the neck but dropped him like a sack of potatoes.  My brother used a .270 and it took shots to take him down.  These things are beasts though.  I have seen one take 3 vital shots from a 300 short mag and still not go down.  

  

 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

If they can chip players, why not the ball?   Chip the ball and end blind tests on touchdowns and first down spotting. 

30 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

See above 

Carson is a good QB.  He's a young QB. Good, young QBs get his contract.  Goff got it.  Dak will get it.  Garoppolo got it. Allen will get it. Watson will get more.  Jackson will get more.  He got what his ability is getting.  Probably  a bit less.  Terrible premise, terrible argument.   

I believe niners, rams  if they had a do over, wouldnt do it again.. eagles quite possibly too.

I'm taking current QB situation into account....as in next 2 years drafts. You could see 10 quality nfl starters over next 2 years ,imo

Really deep qb drafts ,almost cant screw it up.

 

7 hours ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

I suspect he will be banned. 

Lol for what? He's done nothing ban that's worthy

3 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

My personal opinion is there are less than 10 current NFL QBs who I’d give a long term contract to, at the current market rate.  My definition of a franchise QB is either a player who makes the team better by himself, or his departure would make the team significantly worse and be difficult to replace:

Yes — Mahomes, Wilson, Jackson, Rodgers, Wentz, Watson, Ryan

Worthy, but Too Old/Shot — Brady, Brees, Rivers, Roethliesberger

No — Allen, Stidham, Darnold, Tua, Burrow, Mayfield, Minshew, Lock, Carr, Taylor, Prescott, Jones, Haskins, Trubisky, Stafford, Cousins, Bridgewater, Murray, Goff

On The Fence — Tannehill, Garoppolo — Jimmy G has something but I’m still not sold; Tannehill has talent but was wasted in MIA; he might turn into something in TEN

 

I still think Rodgers has 4 good years left, so I’d sign him if he was available today.  Guys like Murray, Darnold, Burrow and Allen could still get into the Yes category with more experience.  Mayfield has the talent, but he’s just not a leader at all IMO

I think Rodgers is too high. Should be in with too old. I don't see how you think he has 4 good years left. They didn't really help him out in draft either. Packers wasted a lot of prime years of Rodgers. Really surprised he never requested a trade

Ryan is a stats guy that couldn't get the ring

Not sure about Watson either. He's flashed good things but has looked like crap as well

I think we should wait to see if Jackson can play another season.

Bridgewater looked good but he had Saints weapons. Will be interesting what he does now

2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

I think Stafford would be in the Yes category for me. Guy is under appreciated IMO. 

Guys like Murray it's too early to tell but could easily see him being a yes in the near future. We shall see. 

What do you think has been holding Stafford back?

49 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Speaking of Bucs talent , there is a reason winston is gone,  he had no playoff appearances,  too many turnovers  ,sucked against the better teams .

His contract was up, they didnt wanna pay him a big contract.

They feel brady can do better with the offensive weapons. 

What happens if last season wasn't a fluke and Brady has lost it?

40 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Where Foles will fall?  Is he too far advanced in career now that a short term contract is more appropriate to him?

 

IMO he's in his own category. He's failed elsewhere but has flourished here. I think he could have done something with Jags but they lost that amazing defense and their offense sucks. He was setup to lose

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I'm gonna be that guy:

I bet those would be great for first responders and essential workers

1 hour ago, greend said:

400 yards I can put 8 out of 10 in a pie plate with my .270. The key is a steady rest and calmer winds for me. Longest deer shot I ever had to make was 300 though. 

Never hunted but trained as a s/o on military and LE teams. That’s good shooting. Thanks for doing it the right way 

23 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

My uncle and brother both shot oryx this summer in New Mexico.  My uncle used a 7MM mag.  Not a great shot in the neck but dropped him like a sack of potatoes.  My brother used a .270 and it took shots to take him down.  These things are beasts though.  I have seen one take 3 vital shots from a 300 short mag and still not go down.  

  

Shooting an Oryx is akin to shooting a cow, isn’t it.  I believe they are bovine. Related to mountain goats, I believe.   Not natural to New Mexico.  Game ranch?  

 

Brady very could have lost it, again thankfully  it's a very deep qb class....I would guess  , bucs will be drafting a qb early either way...brady has a 2 year deal , 20 million per.

If brady hasn't lost it , he has never had this much receiving talent.