1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

He was very good as a pass rusher in college. He was a seventh round pick because he was bad at sealing the edge, tackling, playing the run and getting off of run blocks. I mean really bad.  These tweets and observations tell us nothing about that. 

Pass rush is at a premium. If he was a very good pass rusher he would have been taken earlier based on that alone with the hope they could teach the rest. 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Ward has been doing it in practice for a couple years. He had the only PR for a TD in the AAF. 

Still never did it in college And was learning while trying to make it in the pros. Nfl teams wanted him to practice and learn it cause they believed he’d be good at it. I can see nfl teams informing and telling killins they believe he’d be good at it and want him to do so. And point still valid with clement he had 2 KO his college career and no punts. Yet he has done both in the nfl.  

11 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I've heard that too.  Didnt see the video but was told he was resisting arrest and went into his car when told not to.  But at the same time he shouldn't be shot 7 times.

From what ive heard he was breaking up a fight between 2 women and cops were calked on a domestic disturbance between the two women. Turns out the victim had a warrant out but the cops didnt know it at the time. Has also been suggested he had a knife and the cops asked him to drop the knife. There is a supposed still shot of him with the alleged knife but to my knowledge no knife recovered on scene. While the cops could fear he was going to get a weapon out of his car im not sure while they didnt contain him in the first place as they just let the guy walk past 3 of them follow him then shoot him 7 times at point blank range with kids in the car😳 

The video the next day of pulling an AR 15 on two teenage boys who were being chased by a man with a whip and knife is more disturbing. The women recording tells the cops she called the police because this man was threatening the two boys and the cops point guns at the two boys have them kneel handcuff them and tell the lady to back up and get out of their face as they point guns at two kids. Whats a cop carrying an AR15 for anyway?

18 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I've heard that too.  Didnt see the video but was told he was resisting arrest and went into his car when told not to.  But at the same time he shouldn't be shot 7 times.

People flatout don't understand how ish works

You dont shoot in the leg, you dont pussyfoot around.  If they decide to discharge their weapon, theyre trained to do so until the threat is over.

Period

This isn't the movies.  There are countless examples of officers being killed because they were too soft and didnt protect themselves

 

I have some ideas:  dont go driving around with your children when you have an active warrant for your arrest. 

Dont rape people.

Dont fight with cops.

When an officer directs you to do something, do it.

 

If you do these things there is a 100% chance an officer wont shoot you.  This isnt hard.  Its pathetic how political and race-baited this simple conversation has become.

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

From what ive heard he was breaking up a fight between 2 women and cops were calked on a domestic disturbance between the two women. Turns out the victim had a warrant out but the cops didnt know it at the time. Has also been suggested he had a knife and the cops asked him to drop the knife. There is a supposed still shot of him with the alleged knife but to my knowledge no knife recovered on scene. While the cops could fear he was going to get a weapon out of his car im not sure while they didnt contain him in the first place as they just let the guy walk past 3 of them follow him then shoot him 7 times at point blank range with kids in the car😳 

The video the next day of pulling an AR 15 on two teenage boys who were being chased by a man with a whip and knife is more disturbing. The women recording tells the cops she called the police because this man was threatening the two boys and the cops point guns at the two boys have them kneel handcuff them and tell the lady to back up and get out of their face as they point guns at two kids. Whats a cop carrying an AR15 for anyway?

Ahh, no...they called the cops on him for a domestic and he had priors and a warrant. People make these guys into saints.

24 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Glad Desean and Malik Jackson are on the team's social justice committee.  Makes me really care about what they think and decide to do.

Right? One is quoting Hitler and then liking Instagram posts after apologizing saying he shouldn’t have had to apologize. Meanwhile jackson being an antisemitic jackarse and just overall immature all over IG during them. Telling me you couldn’t have had someone like Brandon graham and Jason Peters? 

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Should not have to.  You are innocent until proven guilty.  If you are pulled over for a tail light out, the police should not be looking for and profiling you for other crimes.  Just because you are out after dark does not make you a criminal.  The color of your skin does not make you a criminal.  I have been the passenger in a car pulled over driven by a black friend, and I can tell you from personal experience, that stop went a whole lot different than when I was pulled over by myself.

I have been pulled over with a white friend, it should have been obvious to the cop we just smoked, and my friend had an open container.  The cop checked my license and registration, then asked for my buddy's license, after seeing it he says " They let you Montana boys drink in the passenger seat don't they " " Yes sir " " Well we don't do that in Washington, so pour that out and  you guys are on your way "

Stop it.  These are anecdotes.  Stick to facts and data.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Pass rush is at a premium. If he was a very good pass rusher he would have been taken earlier based on that alone with the hope they could teach the rest. 

I think he was more of a tweener, not fast enough to be an olb not big enough to be a DE. If he can bulk up i think he could be al right.

Trent cole was 245lbs when drafted he was also a tweener, he bulked up to about 270 and the rest is history.

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

People flatout don't understand how ish works

You dont shoot in the leg, you dont pussyfoot around.  If they decide to discharge their weapon, theyre trained to do so until the threat is over.

Period

This isn't the movies.  There are countless examples of officers being killed because they were too soft and didnt protect themselves

 

I have some ideas:  dont go driving around with your children when you have an active warrant for your arrest. 

Dont rape people.

Dont fight with cops.

When an officer directs you to do something, do it.

 

If you do these things there is a 100% chance an officer wont shoot you.  This isnt hard.  Its pathetic how political and race-baited this simple conversation has become.

Its not 100% but chances of being shot decrease for sure.

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

. Whats a cop carrying an AR15 for anyway?

Accuracy

 

Any other questions?

40 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Yup.  Clearly managing perception in Philly is the number 1 priority of training camp.  Reminds me of the Reagan skit from SNL.

 

 

Well there is a benefit to building back his confidence too. Great skit on Howie. 

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Stop it.  These are anecdotes.  Stick to facts and data.

Sure, disregard people seeing these events in person.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I think he was more of a tweener, not fast enough to be an olb not big enough to be a DE. If he can bulk up i think he could be al right.

Trent cole was 245lbs when drafted he was also a tweener, he bulked up to about 270 and the rest is history.

Its not 100% but chances of being shot decrease for sure.

Ok barring a cop dropping his gun and it accidently discharging, youll be in the clear

I'm white, Ive had a gun pointed in my face for a routine stop.  Guess what I didnt do?  Anything they didnt tell me to do, including go reaching for some unseen object

I miraculously didnt get shot

Someones getting cocky

Swagger. 

Just now, downundermike said:

Sure, disregard people seeing these events in person.

Well my anecdote cancels yours, so now where are we?

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I have been pulled over with a white friend, it should have been obvious to the cop we just smoked, and my friend had an open container.  The cop checked my license and registration, then asked for my buddy's license, after seeing it he says " They let you Montana boys drink in the passenger seat don't they " " Yes sir " " Well we don't do that in Washington, so pour that out and  you guys are on your way "

made him pour it out??! how white was your friend? italian white? something's not white right here. the officer gave your friend the coupons, right? the green ones with the blue badge on them? 

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Should not have to.  You are innocent until proven guilty.  If you are pulled over for a tail light out, the police should not be looking for and profiling you for other crimes.  Just because you are out after dark does not make you a criminal.  The color of your skin does not make you a criminal.  I have been the passenger in a car pulled over driven by a black friend, and I can tell you from personal experience, that stop went a whole lot different than when I was pulled over by myself.

I have been pulled over with a white friend, it should have been obvious to the cop we just smoked, and my friend had an open container.  The cop checked my license and registration, then asked for my buddy's license, after seeing it he says " They let you Montana boys drink in the passenger seat don't they " " Yes sir " " Well we don't do that in Washington, so pour that out and  you guys are on your way "

That's understandable and makes sense.

But is that what happened in Wisconsin?  Situations were two different things.

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Well my anecdote cancels yours, so now where are we?

Not in CVON

16 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

yeah and you would think suspects would realize you should comply to police officers orders and then situations wouldn't escalate . just a question too

The argument there is that George Floyd was complying with police. But yeah, ignoring repeated orders from two officers with drawn guns and appearing to reach under a car seat probably wasn't the smartest thing he could have done. If I'm an officer, do I let the other guy get the first shot(s)?

Not all events are the same.  Yes, many are a result of a non-cooperative victim.  Yet, even in a subset of those cases, the use of force (e.g. choke holds) can be seen a excessive.

I've seen enough to know that a) the police in general are not adequately trained to deal with domestic issues, mental health, etc. and b) many have a predisposition with regards to race.  

There is not a one-size-fits-all solution to the problem.  Both sides need to recognize their part and work together.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not in CVON

Fair enough

Full disclosure I come from a law enforcement family and this whole nonsense is infuriating

My dad and grandfather risked their lives for salary lower than a middle school teacher.  I would never let my son go into law enforcement now, and Im scared that my brother is about to

8 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

That's understandable and makes sense.

But is that what happened in Wisconsin?  Situations were two different things.

The point being, cops treat people based on the color of their skin.

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Right? One is quoting Hitler and then liking Instagram posts after apologizing saying he shouldn’t have had to apologize. Meanwhile jackson being an antisemitic jackarse and just overall immature all over IG during them. Telling me you couldn’t have had someone like Brandon graham and Jason Peters? 

The fact that these 2 are part of this "meeting" is an absolute joke and also the least surprising thing I've heard all day.  

From the reports ive read the knowledge of the warrant for blake was after the fact. Without id ing him how would they know. Reports suggest the cops were called on a domestic call. When they got there blake was there. Apparently he was breaking up a fight when the cops showed up and tensions with blake escalated a witness said he saw the cops punch and tase blake then blake tried to leave to check on his 3 kids in the car and the cops shot him 7 times in the back in front of the 3 kids and wife who was yelling at the cops to let him and her check on the kids. The PD havent made an official statement as far as i know. As is common practice when black people are shot their past criminal history is released in an attempt to justify cops actions and sway public opinion. Ill wait for more info before jumping to any conclusions but in the end another black man was shot by police this time in front of 3 kids and thats sad.😞

32 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

The Chris Rock video is pretty spot on. 

Yep.

That's the talk.