15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Swagger. 

How JJAW walking around the locker room now

17 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Ok barring a cop dropping his gun and it accidently discharging, youll be in the clear

I'm white, Ive had a gun pointed in my face for a routine stop.  Guess what I didnt do?  Anything they didnt tell me to do, including go reaching for some unseen object

I miraculously didnt get shot

Breonna taylor wasnt in the clear was she???

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Fair enough

Full disclosure I come from a law enforcement family and this whole nonsense is infuriating

My dad and grandfather risked their lives for salary lower than a middle school teacher.  I would never let my son go into law enforcement now, and Im scared that my brother is about to

There are far too many unqualified police officers on the streets -- maybe they are 1% of police officers, maybe they are 20% or more.  People who have direct control over the life and death of ordinary citizens cannot have union stooges protecting them from warranted discipline and expulsion from the force.

The frustration comes when someone like Jeronimo Yanez demonstrates with clarity that he is completely unfit and unqualified to be a police officer, is recorded emptying his revolver into a person at a routine traffic stop with a woman and small child inside the car -- and gets acquitted for it.  

47 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The officers involved didn't have body cams.  It was a bystander's recording.

What I don't get is that the police have a permission structure to use deadly force at the first perception of a threat.  That actually moves the risk towards the citizen to have to consistently avoid creating that perception.  If race is inherent to the perception in the minds of the police officer, then the risk is even higher.

That's it.

My son in law is a highway patrolman in Florida. His trainer, a black officer with over 10 years experience,  told him to be "on your highest alert" when stopping a young black man.

If the police are being taught this it's no wonder they're on a hair trigger.

The question is, is it justified?

Just now, Utebird said:

Breonna taylor wasnt in the clear was she???

The officers were carrying out a legal warrant and were shot at

Typically shooting at cops is bad

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

There are far too many unqualified police officers on the streets -- maybe they are 1% of police officers, maybe they are 20% or more.  People who have direct control over the life and death of ordinary citizens cannot have union stooges protecting them from warranted discipline and expulsion from the force.

The frustration comes when someone like Jeronimo Yanez demonstrates with clarity that he is completely unfit and unqualified to be a police officer, is recorded emptying his revolver into a person at a routine traffic stop with a woman and small child inside the car -- and gets acquitted for it.  

Yup qualified immunity needs to go and the hiring of police needs to be more stringent!

Just now, Asg 15 said:

My son in law is a highway patrolman in Florida. His trainer, a black officer with over 10 years experience,  told him to be "on your highest alert" when stopping a young black man.

If the police are being taught this it's no wonder they're on a hair trigger.

The question is, is it justified?

No

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

There are far too many unqualified police officers on the streets -- maybe they are 1% of police officers, maybe they are 20% or more.  People who have direct control over the life and death of ordinary citizens cannot have union stooges protecting them from warranted discipline and expulsion from the force.

The frustration comes when someone like Jeronimo Yanez demonstrates with clarity that he is completely unfit and unqualified to be a police officer, is recorded emptying his revolver into a person at a routine traffic stop with a woman and small child inside the car -- and gets acquitted for it.  

So are you volunteering?

Where are all of these angels waiting in line to serve their communities as low paid cops?

Pay them more, not less, and you'll see better cops.  And Im as anti-union as they come, by the way.  

1 minute ago, Asg 15 said:

My son in law is a highway patrolman in Florida. His trainer, a black officer with over 10 years experience,  told him to be "on your highest alert" when stopping a young black man.

If the police are being taught this it's no wonder they're on a hair trigger.

The question is, is it justified?

Looking at the data, it is undeniably justified

Painful truth

24 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is a really slippery slope by NFL teams.  The Lions already boycotted a practice.  Do we need demonstrations by teams for every incident?  Sadly, and the reality is that there is going to be violence in some police interactions.  

Blake, while paralyzed from the legs down is still ALIVE.  We don't know the whole story.  What we do know is Blake was not a model citizen (neither was George Floyd).  This is not saying they deserve the treatment received but it does come in to play with trying to determine what actions they might take in retaliation.  Blake had a history of run ins and I'm sure the police were aware of this in how they handled him.  He did not comply to the police, he fought with the police even after a taser had been deployed, had a knife in his hand and was going in to his car.  It sure sounds like they tried to get Blake under control.  With that being said, I don't know why it takes 7 bullets.  

I'd hate to be a police officer.  You have seconds to determine your course of action despite your training.  Every situation is different, every human acts different.  To be in their shoes where a taser didn't work on the suspect, the suspect refused to listen to orders and proceeds to reach in to a car for who knows what.  What if Blake did make it in to the car and grab his gun and was able to turn on the police shooting them? Would 2 wounded officers be a better outcome?  Would 2 dead officers be a better outcome?  

I don't want to see anyone shot, anyone killed no matter their skin color.  Do police need more training? Most likely.  Are we creating a world where half of society despises the police, doesn't respect them or listen to them?  So many of these incidents could be avoided if people just did what was asked of them.  

With that being said, I hope the Eagles players have an internal discussion and keep it at that.  

 

 

I recall in the eighties, the media was critical of a Houston police shooting.  The scene was a dark vet office.  Back then break ins of vet offices were common for folks seeking PCP. If you ever talked with a police office about the craziness they dealt with from people high on PCP, it’s chilling.  The officer goes in with gun drawn and his flashlight.  Suspect jumps him knocking the flashlight out of his hands and stabbing him with scissors. Flashlight hits ground and goes out. Officer unloads his full clip.  IIRC only one or two hit the suspect and killed him. Officer was criticized for unloading a full clip.  That is pretty scary.  Not sure what I would have done in his place  

Seven seems excessive.  But what do we see often with the peaceful protestors?  Hands up, don’t shoot chants.  Last thing anyone should do is ignore a policeman who has his gun drawn.  Be non threatening and cooperative. Going into his car would be seen as threatening by almost anyone.  To some degree we have to look at these films objectively from both person’s viewpoint.  Body cams help with that. My community has a small regional police force and all have body cams. 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup qualified immunity needs to go and the hiring of police needs to be more stringent!

No

Have you researched the data on violent crime?

The police want to go home too.

That is my last comment on the topic, I hope you all sincerely educate yourselves and consider truth and facts over media sensation and social media nonsense

19 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

The argument there is that George Floyd was complying with police. But yeah, ignoring repeated orders from two officers with drawn guns and appearing to reach under a car seat probably wasn't the smartest thing he could have done. If I'm an officer, do I let the other guy get the first shot(s)?

Why did they let him get to his vehicle? There was like 5 of them, they could have stopped him way before he opened the door. It looked really weird on video, almost like they wanted an excuse to shoot him.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

So are you volunteering?

Where are all of these angels waiting in line to serve their communities as low paid cops?

Pay them more, not less, and you'll see better cops.  And Im as anti-union as they come, by the way.  

I'd be happy to be a consultant for any police force; situational awareness, behavioral training on an ongoing basis is a must -- as is the abolition of police unions.  

I'd also be happy to increase pay.  It's one of the most important professions we have.

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

That is my last comment on the topic, I hope you all sincerely educate yourselves and consider truth and facts over media sensation and social media nonsense

Won't happen 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Anyone wanna talk Sixers now?

F them too

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

The officers were carrying out a legal warrant and were shot at

Typically shooting at cops is bad

So is entering someone's home without identifying yourself, then getting surprised that the people inside the home freakout and begin shooting.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Anyone wanna talk Sixers now?

I heard Dick Stockton is a real A hole

1 minute ago, RLC said:

So is entering someone's home without identifying yourself, then getting surprised that the people inside the home freakout and begin shooting.

Always a reason to turn criminals into victims. 

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup qualified immunity needs to go and the hiring of police needs to be more stringent!

No

Good luck with that. When you pay officers salaries equal too or less than teachers you tend to not get the ones who are not best qualified for the job. Have a hard time seeing  people who likely are better suited for the job lining up to be police officers putting their lives on the line everyday for minimal pay. Not saying they don’t have them now just it’s not exactly a pool of overcrowded candidates 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

So is entering someone's home without identifying yourself, then getting surprised that the people inside the home freakout and begin shooting.

No knock warrants are really a dumb idea.

Many places are banning them. As it should be.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

The officers were carrying out a legal warrant and were shot at

Typically shooting at cops is bad

The person they had the warrant for didnt live there and was already in custody.

The cops never identified them selves and were in plains clothes. 

The man who fired was a legal gun owner with no criminal record and thought he was being broken into.

This was also after midnight. The whole operation was a massive screw up and they should all be fired and charged with manslaughter one of the cops fired 10 rounds blindly into the room which is against protocol, id guess his shots are what killed breonna. He was suspended and zero charges have been brought up and all charges against the man that fired on the cops were dropped. 

Those cops screwed up big time and someone died. They werent doing their " job" 

Want to know what the warrant was for? Drug search, the dude they were looking for that they already had in custody was an pot dealer😒

Legalize pot ,get rid of qualified immunity, fire cops for gross negligence ,and improve training and hiring practices and redistribute funds from police to other community servants trained in non lethal conflict resolution.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I heard Dick Stockton is a real A hole

I saw Gretzky walk past a group of kids waiting for autographs after Mario Lemieux's Pens blew out the OIlers 7-3.  Lemieux was named 1st star, and fans booed when Gretzky was named 3rd star for getting one assist.

I don't want to open yesterday's can of worms, though.  The truth is, most superstar athletes are not very nice people.  Part of the DNA.

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Anyone wanna talk Sixers now?

Yes. John middleton must have given His Phillies offseason FO blueprint to harris and blitzer for their offseason. 

1 minute ago, Asg 15 said:

No knock warrants are really a dumb idea.

Many places are banning them. As it should be.

Yup. That's really what the problem is; especially in areas in which you have high levels of gun ownership. 

8 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Have you researched the data on violent crime?

The police want to go home too.

Whats that have to do with qualified immunity?

Violent crime by police or citizens😒

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I saw Gretzky walk past a group of kids waiting for autographs after Mario Lemieux's Pens blew out the OIlers 7-3.  Lemieux was named 1st star, and fans booed when Gretzky was named 3rd star for getting one assist.

I don't want to open yesterday's can of worms, though.  The truth is, most superstar athletes are not very nice people.  Part of the DNA.

I don't think I can even blame them. It's gotta be beyond annoying going anywhere and having people flock to you and just stare at you or bother you for a picture or autograph while trying to eat or relax. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Good luck with that. When you pay officers salaries equal too or less than teachers you tend to not get the ones who are not best qualified for the job. Have a hard time seeing  people who likely are better suited for the job lining up to be police officers putting their lives on the line everyday for minimal pay. Not saying they don’t have them now just it’s not exactly a pool of overcrowded candidates 

Sell their military equipment to increase their pay. Could be a solution.