2 minutes ago, greend said:

me too

Mine too but I don’t think I would be an example JR would use. 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Mine too but I don’t think I would be an example JR would use. 

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So BB wants his DBs to legally get away with holding and when they get caught interfering only lose fifteen yards.   There are things I like in the college rules like OT but the NFL rules that make it more difficult than college are fine.  These are the cream of the crop getting paid for better performance. 
 

Football on Sunday and football on Saturday are a little bit different, and Bill Belichick would like to change that.

Belichick, the Patriots coach who always has a keen understanding of the rulebook, said this week that he’d like the NFL to adopt the college pass interference rule, which caps penalties at 15 yards. And then Belichick proposed an interesting idea: He said college football and professional football should have the exact same rules.

"I think probably the one thing that is worth looking at is just the college pass interference rules,” Belichick told Rich Eisen. "I know why it’s what it is, and I also know why it’s different in college, and you could argue both sides of it. But it’s a big penalty, and sometimes those are just tough calls. So I think that’s worth looking at.

"I would say just in general, I would be in favor of the NCAA and the NFL trying to consolidate the rulebook to where we can have as many rules be the same as possible so that the fans, as well as the players who come from college, can make a clean transition into the same set of rules instead of different ones.

"So targeting’s targeting, holding’s holding, interference is interference, and so forth. As much as we could do that, I would be in favor of that just for the overall quality of the game. But I think the pass interference rule is not necessarily one I would change, but I would take a look at it, and I think it would be good if it was the same as the college rule — either they change it to ours or we change it to theirs, just from the standpoint of consistency.”

Among the key differences between college rules and NFL rules are that college receivers only have to get one foot inbounds, a college ball carrier is down when his knee touches the ground even if he hasn’t been touched by an opponent, wider hashmarks on the college field and a completely different approach to overtime. Many more minor rules and penalty enforcements are also different.

38 minutes ago, justrelax said:

We have exactly one bad play documented  anecdotally. There was also a comment about six sacks in nine plays on a goal-line drill, none of which were attributed to Dillard. Are we dismissing the other OL guys too?

The really terrible play that is well documented by multiple reporters would be an outlier if it wasn't for the other information.  We have some pretty bad games he had as a rookie. The rumors that he was on the trading block this past offseason.  By most reporters accounts, he has struggled in camp in addition to the bad play.  It's not like he has been dominant in camp.  He has had at least one other instance where reporters have pointed out him getting beat on consecutive plays by Josh Sweat.  I think there are other reports of him not playing well. While ultimately the coaches are in a better position than reporters to judge his ability, nothing seems promising at this point.   LT is arguably the second most important position on the offense.  It is wise to invest resources into the position.  It's a no-brainer when it's not clear that the team has a solid starting LT on their roster for 2021.  

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Mine too but I don’t think I would be an example JR would use. 

My body is not beautiful now nor was it ever.

7 minutes ago, greend said:

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7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Nothing makes better sense than playing outdoor football between late November and March in Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State College, Illinois and Indiana.  Favors Maryland for its temperate climate. 

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The really terrible play that is well documented by multiple reporters would be an outlier if it wasn't for the other information.  We have some pretty bad games he had as a rookie. The rumors that he was on the trading block this past offseason.  By most reporters accounts, he has struggled in camp in addition to the bad play.  It's not like he has been dominant in camp.  He has had at least one other instance where reporters have pointed out him getting beat on consecutive plays by Josh Sweat.  I think there are other reports of him not playing well. While ultimately the coaches are in a better position than reporters to judge his ability, nothing seems promising at this point.   LT is arguably the second most important position on the offense.  It is wise to invest resources into the position.  It's a no-brainer when it's not clear that the team has a solid starting LT on their roster for 2021.  

Perhaps it's a function of age but I do not give up on players, especially linemen, as quickly as do many others. The differences between college and pro are nowhere as great as they are in line play. Seumalo was dismissed several times here though not by me. He's now a really good player. I believe Dillard will also be a very good player; obviously you don't. I believe Mailata may become a really good player but most don't.

And so it goes.

22 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

So BB wants his DBs to legally get away with holding and when they get caught interfering only lose fifteen yards.   There are things I like in the college rules like OT but the NFL rules that make it more difficult than college are fine.  These are the cream of the crop getting paid for better performance. 
 

Football on Sunday and football on Saturday are a little bit different, and Bill Belichick would like to change that.

Belichick, the Patriots coach who always has a keen understanding of the rulebook, said this week that he’d like the NFL to adopt the college pass interference rule, which caps penalties at 15 yards. And then Belichick proposed an interesting idea: He said college football and professional football should have the exact same rules.

"I think probably the one thing that is worth looking at is just the college pass interference rules,” Belichick told Rich Eisen. "I know why it’s what it is, and I also know why it’s different in college, and you could argue both sides of it. But it’s a big penalty, and sometimes those are just tough calls. So I think that’s worth looking at.

"I would say just in general, I would be in favor of the NCAA and the NFL trying to consolidate the rulebook to where we can have as many rules be the same as possible so that the fans, as well as the players who come from college, can make a clean transition into the same set of rules instead of different ones.

"So targeting’s targeting, holding’s holding, interference is interference, and so forth. As much as we could do that, I would be in favor of that just for the overall quality of the game. But I think the pass interference rule is not necessarily one I would change, but I would take a look at it, and I think it would be good if it was the same as the college rule — either they change it to ours or we change it to theirs, just from the standpoint of consistency.”

Among the key differences between college rules and NFL rules are that college receivers only have to get one foot inbounds, a college ball carrier is down when his knee touches the ground even if he hasn’t been touched by an opponent, wider hashmarks on the college field and a completely different approach to overtime. Many more minor rules and penalty enforcements are also different.

I actually agree with his main premise, that all the rules should be consistent. However, I think the NCAA should adopt the NFL rules. This might give players less of an adjustment period especially for receivers who just spent 3-4 years only having to get one foot down. The NCAA targeting rule is a good one especially since it has to be reviewed, wouldn't mind seeing that in the NFL. Might have taken Clowney out of that playoff game. DBs learning they can't just interfere and get a measly 15 yards if they're beat. It’s not a bad idea as long as it doesn't make the game easier for the NFL, so college should be adopting the NFL rules

35 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its pretty much the same for the distal bicep. I assume his is distal or else they might not be doing surgery on it. Or, it could be the short head of the bieps at the shoulder which attaches at the labrum. Sometimes it can tear a piece of labrum with it so theyd fix that too. 

Either way, about the same. 

Yea, I'm not the Dr. but I had a distal bicep tear over a year back.  I had surgery in early January and was cleared after 6 months.  It definitely wasn't aggressive rehab.  I posted yesterday that without the surgery I was able to use my arm just totally weak and uncomfortable.  Once it's torn it's torn.  The damage is done.  The hardest part of the recovery process is ignoring insticts and reflexes with your arm.  Without a sling on you're prone to try to do things you shouldn't.  

13 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Perhaps it's a function of age but I do not give up on players, especially linemen, as quickly as do many others. The differences between college and pro are nowhere as great as they are in line play. Seumalo was dismissed several times here though not by me. He's now a really good player. I believe Dillard will also be a very good player; obviously you don't. I believe Mailata may become a really good player but most don't.

And so it goes.

Jermaine Mayberry and Bobbie Williams come to mind. 

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Jermaine Mayberry and Bobbie Williams come to mind. 

Yep. And Evan Mathis kicked around for years.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Yea, I'm not the Dr. but I had a distal bicep tear over a year back.  I had surgery in early January and was cleared after 6 months.  It definitely wasn't aggressive rehab.  I posted yesterday that without the surgery I was able to use my arm just totally weak and uncomfortable.  Once it's torn it's torn.  The damage is done.  The hardest part of the recovery process is ignoring insticts and reflexes with your arm.  Without a sling on you're prone to try to do things you shouldn't.  

A lot of people dont get a distal biceps tear fixed. But theyre usually older and less active. You have other muscles that can compensate for elbow flexion pretty well. But you will lose some flexion strength, and the main one is supination. Thats when you turn your palm up. Biceps is a very imporant supinator and thatll be very weak without the distal bicep attachment. 

Athletes need these fixed, whereas at the shoulder, they dont. 

So the drama continues at wasteam.   The lawyers for twelve women claiming harassment as wasteam employees have called on Goodell to remove Snyder as an owner.  As his suit in India has shown, Snyder isn’t going quietly.  This won’t be Richardson 2.0.  

Meanwhile, I note Florio continues to bait Jerrah about the anthem and meeting with his players. I am sure Stephen A and others I don’t watch are probably doing this too. His silence has been deafening.   I just have to believe when Jerrah finally does speak with the players, it won’t go well. 

Meanwhile in Philly, Lurie and in NY, the Maras and Tischs.  How boring.  

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

A lot of people dont get a distal biceps tear fixed. But theyre usually older and less active. You have other muscles that can compensate for elbow flexion pretty well. But you will lose some flexion strength, and the main one is supination. Thats when you turn your palm up. Biceps is a very imporant supinator and thatll be very weak without the distal bicep attachment. 

Athletes need these fixed, whereas at the shoulder, they dont. 

Oh yea, I wasn't saying he shouldn't get the surgery, just adding my personal experience. It's not fun to recover from.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Oh yea, I wasn't saying he shouldn't get the surgery, just adding my personal experience. It's not fun to recover from.

meatmcginley will say he doesnt need surgery. its just a muscle tear! the joint can still move via mind control or possibly robotics.

17 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Perhaps it's a function of age but I do not give up on players, especially linemen, as quickly as do many others. The differences between college and pro are nowhere as great as they are in line play. Seumalo was dismissed several times here though not by me. He's now a really good player. I believe Dillard will also be a very good player; obviously you don't. I believe Mailata may become a really good player but most don't.

And so it goes.

I don't think it's a matter of necessarily giving up on Dillard.  I could see a scenario where they move on from him.  I don't think they can rely on him in 2021.  If he can show up and have a good offseason and camp, that would be great.  

I'm all for seeing what Mailata, Prince Tegha and Driscoll can do this season.  

I am starting to reverse course a little bit on Andre Dillard and JJAW. Dillard could not possibly have been put in a better football situation than he was last year -- one of the best OL teachers in the league, a top-2 OT over the past 15 years he could mirror, given a year to learn the NFL culture and put on good weight. In the past, Dillard has struggled with the transition of going from the high school level to the college level. Considering his freak athletic gifts, it seem very possible for Dillard to overcome those same initial struggles and succeed in the NFL. But I'm almost out, and it was his cringey press conference last week combined with getting overpowered by 250 lb. Joe Ostman that did it for me. Dude should be embarrassed. (I feel bad for him getting injured, though.)

JJAW, on the other hand, was put in a tough situation. His WR coach was the almost universally panned Carson Walch. Early in the year, he suffered a foot injury (or was it turf toe?), which lingered. Injuries to Alshon and DeSean forced him into action before he was ready. Crap coaching, poor injury luck, bad timing. Considering he's not an athletic freak and looked really bad on the field last year, it seemed very bleak that JJAW could become a good player. But he's getting better coaching now, and it has by most accounts shown up in his route running. The spacing of the offense this year should be much improved due to multiple contingency plans at Z receiver. He's healthy. JJAW seems to get it, at least a little bit, and that's way more than I can say for Dillard. I'm excited to watch JJAW this year.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think it's a matter of necessarily giving up on Dillard.  I could see a scenario where they move on from him.  I don't think they can rely on him in 2021.  If he can show up and have a good offseason and camp, that would be great.  

I'm all for seeing what Mailata, Prince Tegha and Driscoll can do this season.  

Dilliard played well last year when he was in for Peters at LT. It was only at RT he struggled. He even knew he would when he was in his press conf before the game. Not sure why some are giving up already on him already. However these rookies will get tested and its exactly what they need as oline is the second most important position on the field. We need solid backups that can have a positive effect on the team when needed. Big V was a great backup and will be missed. 

18 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Jermaine Mayberry and Bobbie Williams come to mind. 

Jamal Jackson was on PS for 2 years.

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I actually really liked the Dillard pick. Obviously it’s not looking good but still can’t write him off. 

He played well at left tackle as a rookie. Yet even without watching him practice at all this summer, fans suddenly think he sucks. It's truly bizarre.

9 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Dent had already turned by that point; he had already threatened Gordon in the hospital before the Joker showed up.  Even if that wasn’t the case, it’s simply not believable (given his fiancée had just been murdered by the very person who comes to visit him) that when the Joker places the gun in his hand, and puts the gun to his head, Dent would respond with a ‘see you in court’ rationale.  Beyond not believable — it was comically stupid.  Necessary, however, in order to concoct a way to keep the character around for a sequel.  
 

It’s very possible Ledger’s actual performance was much better than how the character was written.  I’ll have to watch the new one with Phoenix to compare — although I suspect it would be an attempt to copy off of what Ledger had already set in place.

 

I watched Zodiac tonight; an interesting reminder of how frustrating detective work can be.  Logic tells you that your suspect is guilty, but no forensic evidence to line it all up.

In the scene you’re talking about, Dent never responded with a see you in court rationale as you state. He tries to grab at the Joker and choke him, but the Joker pins him down to talk. He gives Dent the gun to prove his point about throwing wrenches into ‘the plan’ to which Dent (in the moment he turns into two-face after listening to the Joker’s rationale) gives him the heads of tails treatment of whether he will pull the trigger or not. 
 

But yes your gripe here, regardless would be more aligned with the writing. 
Phoenix was good as Joker too, but they were a bit different. Phoenix was more emotional based while Ledgers Joker was more logical. You’re supposed to feel sympathy toward Phoenix’s portrayal, while you’re supposed to understand the logic of what Ledgers Joker stood for. At least that seems how the two portrayals were written. 
 

Loved Zodiac, great movie.

Just now, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

He played well at left tackle as a rookie. Yet even without watching him practice at all this summer, fans suddenly think he sucks. It's truly bizarre.

Yeah he looked solid at LT last year but I think fans remember the atrocity at RT. 
 

And you know Philly fans as well as anyone here... Rumors are he’s soft and too emotional. No way this fanbase ever ignores that. 
 

He’s also a 1st round pick (that was considered a steal) at perhaps the 2nd most important position on the field. Anything short of pro bowl level will get him scrutinized, but there’s still time. 

Maybe our next OT is hiding in the Dline or TE depth somewhere. Worked out for the Steelers with Alejandro Villanueva. He slipped right out of our hands. Who knew a 290 pound WR/dline/oline from Army would turn out to be a pro bowl OT, lol.