2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I disagree. First slay is heading into his 30s so how many great years does he have left? You hope many but there’s a chance you have 3 good seasons left. Maddox has never proven to be consistent on the outside. In fact even before his injury last year he was struggling. He came back and still was struggling. Leblanc is strictly a slot corner. Jones can’t stay healthy and even when he does play isn’t great. Douglas was rumored to be on the block and isn’t good enough on the outside.

Again this comes down to if maddox can play well on the outside. If he winds up not being able too then it looks even worse. However i frankly think they’d move mills into that corner spot and have parks or wallace start at safety if it got that bad. Nevertheless i still think corner was a bigger priority. Even with nrc and slay, you had no one else on the roster that had proven to be a good outside corner unless you believe mills was consistent and capable with help. That has yet to change and you have 2 currently on the roster for 2021. 

Yeah agree to disagree.  Very few teams in the NFL have top-end CBs on both sides of the field, and while Jones/Maddox/Mills/Douglas aren't particularly good they're also not complete bums either (well maybe outside of Douglas).  Meanwhile you could have easily make a very similar argument about WR, S, DE, OT, OG, LB going into the draft.

Welp, I finished a rookie draft for fantasy football and traded up for Reagor. Then I checked Twitter and saw the news, so that’s how my day is going. 

21 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Yeah agree to disagree.  Very few teams in the NFL have top-end CBs on both sides of the field, and while Jones/Maddox/Mills/Douglas aren't particularly good they're also not complete bums either (well maybe outside of Douglas).  Meanwhile you could have easily make a very similar argument about WR, S, DE, OT, OG, LB going into the draft.

I would disagree on some of those positions. They had OT. They had lane, dillard who they took in the first, mailata and pryor. Also in discussions with peters. They needed a quality swing tackle not a starter imo. Also OG they didn’t at the time cause they had herbig, pryor, seumalo and brooks before the draft. And opeta if you liked him. They again didn’t need a potential starter at that point more of someone who could be a quality backup. Again OL at the moment of the draft they needed quality depth more than they needed starters. And you hope over time became starters  

WR, S and LB I’d agree. DE is tough cause you are basically locked into graham and Barnett as starters this year. Sweat was a nice backup. They traded for Avery. Drafted miller and had ostman who they also liked. And you knew they were likely to bring back curry. I said that back in May he’d be back it was obvious when he didn’t sign anywhere else. So DE I’d argue you likely need a replacement for graham and potentially Barnett. Second Corner position you have a bunch of guys who’ve proven consistently to not be consistent at outside corner. And the depth behind maddox is not good too

I’d argue before the draft the only open starters spots on this team were second corner, WR, LB and potentially safety even though i think parks and mills were always going to be starters. 

Wonder if Reagor has a mild subluxation.  If no tear, should be good to go by 9/13.  Hopefully no worse than that.

New take on Pryor, Mailata, JP positions at OL in front of the media.   Pryor has no snaps at LT.  Mailata has been taking snaps there so far this summer.  Both getting swing T training.  JP getting RG training.  Does JP need training at LT?  Not really.   This could be read all wrong by the media including understanding what they saw in practice today.

Based on what I read in tweets today, the Eagles will give up six sacks a day while scoring seven touchdowns on long passes.  Also, as to the D, if The DE doesn’t get a sack, they give up a TD.   DL must be so dominate that the O cannot run and if Sanders isn’t in the game, there is no rushing attack because there wasn’t a tweet about the rushing game.   Ward in the slot, despite getting all these targets and same with Ertz are invisible so our LBs and Ss are shutting them down as not a peep about play in the middle of the field. So basically, long balls and sacks.  If DBs aren’t intercepting the ball, they are giving up TDs.  Damn, I miss Lehigh when I could see things with my own eyes like I will be able to do in two weeks. #shoddyTCreporting. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would disagree on some of those positions. They had OT. They had lane, dillard who they took in the first, mailata and pryor. They needed a quality swing tackle not a starter. Also OG they didn’t at the time cause they had herbig, pryor, seumalo and brooks before the draft. They again didn’t need a potential starter at that point more of someone who could be a quality backup. Again OL at the moment they needed quality depth more than they needed starters at the time of the draft  

WR, S and LB I’d agree. DE is tough cause you are basically locked into graham and Barnett as starters this year. Sweat was a nice backup. They traded for Avery. Drafted miller and had ostman who they also liked. So DE I’d argue you likely need a replacement for graham and potentially Barnett. Corner you have a bunch of guys who’ve proven consistently to not be consistent at outside corner.

I’d argue before the draft the only open starters spots on this team were second corner, WR, LB and potentially safety even though i think parks and mills were always going to be starters. 

Yeah I would argue that Maddox/Jones are about as adequate an option at outside CB2 as most of our safeties, all of our LBs, WR2, WR3, DE3, DE4, and any of our backup lineman. Those are also all positions where our talented starters are all older with significant question marks in the young talent behind them, much like you pointed out as the issue with our CBs.  I don't look at any of those positions going into the draft and say CB is clearly a bigger need than any of them.  But we can agree to disagree there.

33 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

i mean nrc got 16 mil for 3 years from the rams. So is 5-6 mil per year on a slot corner worth it when you are also paying slay? Add on Leblanc is a free agent at years end so he could walk. 

I disagree. First slay is heading into his 30s so how many great years does he have left? You hope many but there’s a chance you have 3 good seasons left. Maddox has never proven to be consistent on the outside. In fact even before his injury last year he was struggling. He came back and still was struggling. Leblanc is strictly a slot corner and a free agent at seasons end. Jones can’t stay healthy and even when he does play isn’t great. Douglas was rumored to be on the block and isn’t good enough on the outside.

Again this comes down to if maddox can play well on the outside. If he winds up not being able too then it looks even worse. However i frankly think they’d move mills into that corner spot and have parks or wallace start at safety if it got that bad. Nevertheless i still think corner was a bigger priority. Even with nrc and slay, you had no one else on the roster that had proven to be a good outside corner unless you believe mills was consistent and capable with help. That has yet to change and you have 2 currently on the roster for 2021. Add on two guys in jones and Douglas if they had better corner options likely don’t even make this team

That's an interesting notion and I wonder if there wasn't actually discussion of it when they moved Mills to safety.  Maybe it was even one of his demands.

But what if NRC does play as well as Patrick Robinson?  And the additions of Slay and NRC end up solidifying the pass defense to the point that Schwartz tells Howie at the end of the year, "I need both these guys back".  Regardless of what we draft next year, I could see them prioritizing NRC if he performs.  And just to be clear, I'm talking about a major upgrade in production.  Not something you could hope to duplicate with LeBlanc, even though I love his game.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

With next year’s cap situation, there’s a 100% chance he’s a 1 year rental for us.  A 2 and a 5, which could escalate, is a actually fairly steep price for a rental in a season that no teams really want to be "all in” on.  I also think he’s somewhat overrated.

Now, I need to say something snarky and negative.  So insert something here about our picks being worth less to us because Howie will screw them up anyway, since he probably will.

LOL he probably will.

12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 A rookie WR we reached for in a season with limited reps and you think that’s a breaking point?!  LOL.  I reached my breaking point draft weekend.   This is an 8-8 team folks. Face it.  

Nah.  This DLine combined with the pass defense should get a bump.

And actual speed on the outside for Wentz?

They're not going to be worse than last year.

30 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Yeah I would argue that Maddox/Jones are about as adequate an option at outside CB2 as most of our safeties, all of our LBs, WR2, WR3, DE3, DE4, and any of our backup lineman. Those are also all positions where our talented starters are all older with significant question marks in the young talent behind them, much like you pointed out as the issue with our CBs.  I don't look at any of those positions going into the draft and say CB is clearly a bigger need than any of them.  But we can agree to disagree there.

Vastly disagree with people on jones. People want that to be the case but he never stays healthy.  solak and kapadia pointed out on all 22 after the season he was lucky teams didn’t attack him more during those end of the season games cause he was beaten. We remember he made a great play here and there but the tape actually showed we were fortunate teams didn’t attack him more. 

corner 2 who is a starter imo is a higher priority than DE 3 where you had sweat who’s fine in that role. DE 4 you had Avery, Miller and ostman and likely bringing back curry (Actually called that back in May). Better argument of we needed potential starters at both DE spots as graham is older and Barnett can’t stay healthy and hasn’t lived up to the 14th pick.

Backup oline again they had guys they liked On the team already and could still draft backup oline rounds 3-7 which they did. wasn’t against oline

Safety again you sign mcleod for 2 years so he’s here regardless. Safety i agree was one of my top 3 positions to address along with WR and corner. 

i wish we still had the old board but i had we, S, CB and LB as the top 4 needs for this team. They had needs at OL and DE but i think they had plenty of depth at DE with curry on the market and likely to return. OL they needed to get quality depth at the time of the draft which isn’t necessarily found round 1-3. The issue with OL is they are locked into those aging starters (who were still highly effective) due to cap ramifications so you didn’t need immediate help there. You did at second corner. It was a glaring spot of weakness in terms of starter ability on the outside and depth

They didn’t even address corner even though the no. 2 corner spot was a competition of maddox, jones and Douglas. All three who had failed to be consistent in the past at outside corner. And two of which have had injury issues in the past. Not asking for a star I’m asking for competence at the position and quality depth. Neither of which i see right now 

Luries giving an awkward PC if anyone is interested 

 

 

26 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

That's an interesting notion and I wonder if there wasn't actually discussion of it when they moved Mills to safety.  Maybe it was even one of his demands.

But what if NRC does play as well as Patrick Robinson?  And the additions of Slay and NRC end up solidifying the pass defense to the point that Schwartz tells Howie at the end of the year, "I need both these guys back".  Regardless of what we draft next year, I could see them prioritizing NRC if he performs.  And just to be clear, I'm talking about a major upgrade in production.  Not something you could hope to duplicate with LeBlanc, even though I love his game.

I’m guessing it was part of the eagles thinking when bringing him back is that they always have that position versatility if things go poorly at second corner with maddox or he proves not to be good enough at safety. I’m thinking mills likely wouldn’t have an issue if asked to do so in a dire situation. 

i still think with nrc getting closer to 30 he’s going to want one last big payday. He’s 29 in January. Are you willing to give him that meanwhile maddox is up for an extension at the end of the year and is a FA at the end of 2021. Eagles are super high on maddox and he’s much younger. I don’t see them having the money to afford slay and NRC and then paying maddox. Gonna have to draft and develop a corner: maddox impending FA at the end of 2021, slay will be 30 and NRC would be 29. 

19 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

That's an interesting notion and I wonder if there wasn't actually discussion of it when they moved Mills to safety.  Maybe it was even one of his demands.

But what if NRC does play as well as Patrick Robinson?  And the additions of Slay and NRC end up solidifying the pass defense to the point that Schwartz tells Howie at the end of the year, "I need both these guys back".  Regardless of what we draft next year, I could see them prioritizing NRC if he performs.  And just to be clear, I'm talking about a major upgrade in production.  Not something you could hope to duplicate with LeBlanc, even though I love his game.

Jim is on his last yr of his contract. If they wanted him back he would have signed an extension by now so I don't see him getting a say who to keep. It will all be on Howie and Doug. 

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

DE sucks.  And you haven’t seen any of these WR play.  

DT much better.  And I have seen last years WR play.

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Haha guess JJAW is starting 

1 minute ago, Green Dog said:

DT much better.  And I have seen last years WR play.

I actually like their depth at DE better than the outlook with their starters. Curry and sweat are good backups to have. If one of Avery, miller or ostman is a quality backup then you have solid depth. Starters Graham is another year older. And imo could go either way this year. Barnett just can’t stay healthy or produce like what we’ve wanted. In his defense actually good as a run defender. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually like their depth at DE better than the outlook with their starters. Curry and sweat are good backups to have. If one of Avery, miller or ostman is a quality backup then you have solid depth. Starters Graham is another year older. And imo could go either way this year. Barnett just can’t stay healthy or produce like what we’ve wanted. In his defense actually good as a run defender. 

And the additions of Jackson and Hargrave to the DT rotation as the weeks go by will help the DEs.

3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Haha guess JJAW is starting 

He always was

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

He always was

Naw. 

43 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 A rookie WR we reached for in a season with limited reps and you think that’s a breaking point?!  LOL.  I reached my breaking point draft weekend.   This is an 8-8 team folks. Face it.  

I’m actually more concerned with OL. Your LT situation is not good right now. Peters playing RG for the first time in his career and he is always likely to miss snaps or games  I believe lane has been missing practice. Last time i was worried this much about OL was on 2014 where foles was getting destroyed the first couple weeks of the year. 

2 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

And the additions of Jackson and Hargrave to the DT rotation as the weeks go by will help the DEs.

It’s why I’m less worried about DL. I think they’d also use malik at DE if they really wanted too even if he doesn’t want too. Way more concerned with mills at safety, second corner and really big concern OL. 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Naw. 

Um yes he didn't practice till Thursday of the first week of camp and then was reported he is the starting receiver but Reagor will cut into his time. 

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

How i feel any time an eagle gets hurt now 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh yeah. O Line is the biggest concern.  That goes without saying.  

I think people are discounting how big of a loss brooks is going to be and how bad LT could be with pryor playing LT. Just cause vaitai was able to do it in 2017 doesn’t make it the norm. Who would’ve thought that vaitai might have been the eagles biggest loss this offseason. 

I was worried he would be out longer. Sad that four weeks is a win. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think people are discounting how big of a loss brooks is going to be and how bad LT could be with pryor playing LT. Just cause a vaitai was able to do it in 2017 doesn’t make it the norm. Who would’ve thought that vaitai might have been the eagles biggest loss this offseason. 

I really hope this BS with Pryor and Mailata at LT is all about getting them reps as backups and Peters will be there soon enough.