1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’m surprised by the lack of trades across the league this TC. COVID really screwed that pooch 

Belichick said there was very little trade talk compared to most years. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It feels like he never got his head right, like he always felt sorry for himself. Then when there was adversity he’d go into a shell. It’s hard to be an NFL quarterback without incredible mental toughness. 

Howie ultimately made the picks. Don’t let him off the hook. 

Right but it's beyond obvious they were heavily influenced by Douglas.  Douglas likes "football players" vs speed, etc etc etc

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Belichick said there was very little trade talk compared to most years. 

Kinda weird teams are so afraid. It makes sense for a big trade with heavy investments but you’d think with guys you are likely going to cut there would be some roster churning. Howie loves those deals.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Right but it's beyond obvious they were heavily influenced by Douglas.  Douglas likes "football players" vs speed, etc etc etc

Did you see Douglas’ draft this year with the Jets?

 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Right but it's beyond obvious they were heavily influenced by Douglas.  Douglas likes "football players" vs speed, etc etc etc

Agree with this.

Howie was in lockstep with his new besty for a couple years.

Won a SB too.  But still...

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not sure why people can't see it but it's as clear as day that most of the past few years' drafts were "Joe Douglas" drafts.  Howie is cutting Joe Douglas' picks.  This year is the first true "Howie draft".  We'll see how this draft compares with the past few years' drafts in about a year or two.

Lol Howie is always getting excuses in here

20 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Im still a believer that no CB will look good in Jim's scheme. One more year to go till his contract is done, lol. 

Agree.

Just now, Green Dog said:

Agree with this.

Howie was in lockstep with his new besty for a couple years.

Won a SB too.  But still...

Joe set the board and Howie made the picks. He wasn’t drafting anyone he didn’t like. 

And even if Douglas loved Jones, Howie is the one who chose to take him despite the Achilles tear. Joe doesn’t make that call. 

2 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Curious as to what makes you believe this in re: to Jim's scheme?

The way I see it as a DB in my college days. Qbs can plan against our back end coverage cause its so predictable, no creativity. If the Dline gets instant pressure, its a good success. However in most cases they are in a bad position and major advantage to the offense knowing the coverage.  People keep saying 2017 but look at our offense that year? Top  offense in the league. if you look back at Jim's success he only reached top 10 defense only when his offense was top 5. think there was 5 years out of 18. Hes a 12-18 rank defense kinda guy. Not horrible but time for a change. We can see the DBs are struggling week in and week out and the scheme plays a big role in that. Thats the way I see it from a DBs eyes. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Did you see Douglas’ draft this year with the Jets?

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Joe set the board and Howie made the picks. He wasn’t drafting anyone he didn’t like. 

And even if Douglas loved Jones, Howie is the one who chose to take him despite the Achilles tear. Joe doesn’t make that call. 

OK.

It's just that "setting the board" is an inherently restrictive thing in itself.  Who set our board this past draft?

1 minute ago, Green Dog said:

OK.

It's just that "setting the board" is an inherently restrictive thing in itself.  Who set our board this past draft?

Seems rather obvious that it was e45.

1 minute ago, Green Dog said:

OK.

It's just that "setting the board" is an inherently restrictive thing in itself.  Who set our board this past draft?

The board isn’t gospel. You still pick players based on need and roster construction, and you do so within tiers. 

So Joe has a heavy influence, Howie still made the call, and it’s not like Howie didn’t watch these players too. 

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

The way I see it as a DB in my college days. Qbs can plan against our back end coverage cause its so predictable, no creativity. If the Dline gets instant pressure, its a good success. However in most cases they are in a bad position and major advantage to the offense knowing the coverage.  People keep saying 2017 but look at our offense that year? Top  offense in the league. if you look back at Jim's success he only reached top 10 defense only when his offense was top 5. think there was 5 years out of 18. Hes a 12-18 rank defense kinda guy. Not horrible but time for a change. We can see the DBs are struggling week in and week out and the scheme plays a big role in that. Thats the way I see it from a DBs eyes. 

Understood.

But as RC posted, the fact is in the past his system looked much better (and ranked much higher) with better CB's who could lock down and travel consistently to counter elite WRs.  Something he will have for the first time with the Eagles this season.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Did you see Douglas’ draft this year with the Jets?

 

Maybe he’s learning too. 

 

Plenty of talent being cut ,rookie talent that is....no pre season really hurt the rookies

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

The board isn’t gospel. You still pick players based on need and roster construction, and you do so within tiers. 

So Joe has a heavy influence, Howie still made the call, and it’s not like Howie didn’t watch these players too. 

Perhaps.

But you could also argue there were players Joe left off his board that Howie may have never known to watch.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Maybe he’s learning too. 

I’m sure he is. There is a lot of blame to spread. 

This year the guy who set the board is Andy Weidl, Joe’s boy. So if the 2020 draft is great, it’s Howie and not Andy?

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol Howie is always getting excuses in here

The truth is somewhere in the middle.  I'm inclined to be a Howie booster for everything that happened up to the Super Bowl; it was risky to draft Wentz when they had set up the team with Bradford and Chase Daniel, but they took a risk and it worked out brilliantly.  He also very quickly rebuilt a team that was diminished by Chip from a personnel standpoint.  The downside obviously is the Eagles had very few draft picks in 2018 and 2019 due to Howie's activity in trades and free agency. 

At least Howie understands the team has to get younger, faster, and cheaper now -- many NFL GMs are slower to see that.  The draft picks of the past 3 years are going to be counted on heavily.

1 minute ago, Green Dog said:

Understood.

But as RC posted, the fact is in the past his system looked much better (and ranked much higher) with better CB's who could lock down and travel consistently to counter elite WRs.  Something he will have for the first time with the Eagles this season.

If you look at those CBs he mentioned, its pretty funny that each of them only had 1 good year under Jim then they were gone or he was gone and they had success with the new coach/team. 

4 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Perhaps.

But you could also argue there were players Joe left off his board that Howie may have never known to watch.

Or players he would have ranked higher but Douglas has others ranked higher, etc 

Just now, Green Dog said:

Perhaps.

But you could also argue there were players Joe left off his board that Howie may have never known to watch.

I doubt that. Howie is involved in the meetings throughout the year. He may have deferred at times, but he wasn’t oblivious. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I’m sure he is. There is a lot of blame to spread. 

This year the guy who set the board is Andy Weidl, Joe’s boy. So if the 2020 draft is great, it’s Howie and not Andy?

I don’t necessarily agree or disagree.  But the "change” in draft strategy was quite obvious this year, no? 

Wow. 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

I don’t necessarily agree or disagree.  But the "change” in draft strategy was quite obvious this year, no? 

But the Jets’ draft was a departure from our previous drafts too...