1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think QB regression was the problem.  The offense couldn't adjust to blitzes last season.  It wasn't a regression issue. It wasn't like Hurts knew how to audible and call protections and then didn't.  I think there's a question as to whether Hurts lacks the skillset to make blitz adjustment calls and whether Hurts failed to make adjustments the schemed called for when facing a blitz. It's likely, however, that the OC and Sirianni did not have adequate adjustments in the scheme given how big the problem was.  I am sure part of the problem was with Hurts but part of the problem was the scheme.   

Unless im misremembering, Sirrianni admitted they didnt have built in hot routes to beat the blitz, they instead just expected hurts to make a play.

Never heard of an NFL offense without hot routes 

Stupid stuff by Siri and Brian johnson.

I expect Moore has hot routes in his offense 

I think we'll see a lot of different tricks deployed to make teams pay for blitzing.

One is simply that Barkley is a much bigger threat on draw plays and he can block blitzers as well.

14 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Unless im misremembering, Sirrianni admitted they didnt have built in hot routes to beat the blitz, they instead just expected hurts to make a play.

Never heard of an NFL offense without hot routes 

Stupid stuff by Siri and Brian johnson.

I expect Moore has hot routes in his offense 

Every offense has blitz recognition and counters, and every worthwhile coach backs his players publicly.  Even if an NFL offense is void of blitz recognition and pick up, any worthwhile NFL QB should know how to audible into a successful play at the LOS.

After last years collapse, the Eagles are going to have a very soft camp- AGAIN. I have always hated Siri's soft ass camps, but he is a stubborn idiot who is going to do it again. Fangio must be pissed. 🤣

https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-2024-training-camp-will-be-slightly-harder-focus-will-remain-player-health-nick-sirianni/

5 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

After last years collapse, the Eagles are going to have a very soft camp- AGAIN. I have always hated Siri's soft ass camps, but he is a stubborn idiot who is going to do it again. Fangio must be pissed. 🤣

https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-2024-training-camp-will-be-slightly-harder-focus-will-remain-player-health-nick-sirianni/

It's an organizational philosophy.  Doug ran soft camps as well.

2 hours ago, beto_eagles said:

Klopp would make you world champs with that squad. Or at the very least it would be like watching colorful psychedelic paint never drying. 

Yeah he would., Klopp would know how to use a player like Foden or Bellingham to their potential. I don't think Klopp would be pining about missing a defensive midfielder like Southgate did. Better to lose 3-2 than snore a 2-1 loss.

 

Players appeared frustrated with play calls and decisions last year at times. A lot of the comments during the offseason from various players have hinted at coaching issues without saying it. Another organization philosophy - a good one - is to keep things in house. Coaches blamed themselves and said the players were doing what they were coached to do, players blamed it on their own execution and defended the coaches. Hurts had issues. The O line had issues. The Offensive Coordinator had issues. The Head Coach had issues. They also had a tough schedule and even when they were scraping by in tough wins they were frustrated. It seemed like they got stuck in that pattern and the message we heard from them was keep working.

Some examples that point to coaching are the lack of motion, then Siri added motion but the guy would run to another position, then right back to the same position so they could check the box that they added motion. Another was that 3rd and long series with a series of runs and WR screens. Players were arguing on the sidelines, which happens in frustration from losing. And that's just on offense. The defense had a lot of problems as well. There's lots of blame to go around.

Some questions will be answered with the new season and new coordinators. One thing Hurts said in his press conference when noting the differences in Moore's offense is that the plays all teams run are generally the same. There are differences in terminology, how the QB is coached to turn his head, to look, his footwork, etc. IMO, there were a lot of times Hurts didn't look confident in what was being called. Or his regression got in his head and he was trying to shake it off.

They need to bury last year and move on. They have 2 experienced coordinators that the players should respect. They have some roster turnover to bring in new blood who weren't a part of last year and can bring fresh perspective. They are stacked at the offensive skill positions. While they may start a bit rough just getting used to the new offense and terminology, they have an easier schedule and there aren't any excuses. I know Hurts has dealt with a lot of change in coordinators, but he's also at this point been in the NFL long enough to step up and rise to the challenge. He talks about learning from losing and adversity, and I'm sure he reflected all offseason about how to improve. He has to step up. A lot of guys do. The team has a championship window and it's up to them to take advantage of it.

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

It's an organizational philosophy.  Doug ran soft camps as well.

It has worked in terms of injury reduction.  Again the bad play calls & design don't have to do with practice time.  You are accepting some occasional lack of crispness in execution for less injury risk.  It's honestly not clearcut which is right but I'm not sweating it either way

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

It has worked in terms of injury reduction.  Again the bad play calls & design don't have to do with practice time.  You are accepting some occasional lack of crispness in execution for less injury risk.  It's honestly not clearcut which is right but I'm not sweating it either way

It might hurt you the first two games, but a major injury hurts you for up to 17 games.

Hard ass camps are a tradition from the days when players didn't work out like they do now in the offseason - so you weeded out the really out of shape guys and whipped everyone else into shape the first few weeks.

Now they show up in great shape, many practice over the summer at team facilities, stars probably have home gyms that are better than anything we've ever used!

The mental reps are more important than physical reps, which is why HCs prefer controlled scrimmages where they can ensure different packages and units get PT, rather than exhibition games where it's a matter of luck.

3 hours ago, Utebird said:

Unless im misremembering, Sirrianni admitted they didnt have built in hot routes to beat the blitz, they instead just expected hurts to make a play.

Never heard of an NFL offense without hot routes 

Stupid stuff by Siri and Brian johnson.

I expect Moore has hot routes in his offense 

This has been a problem since Steichen was here, he's just as complicit as anyone else.

2 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

This has been a problem since Steichen was here, he's just as complicit as anyone else.

I think it reflects the RPO oriented offense, you're building around your QB's athleticism, instead of building a scheme any QB can run, then adding twists to take advantage when you have an athletic QB. Hopefully, Moore will change this orientation, building a more conventional passing offense, with wrinkles to take advantage of Hurts' athleticism, but not based around it - so if you need to put PIckett or McKee out there, the scheme still works.

Walsh build the WCO to exploit a "moneyball" advantage, it allowed smart QBs with average arms to make plays (since they were easier to find than strong armed QBs who could think), trained Steve Young in the scheme, then let him use his great speed when opportunities presented themselves, but not as a key element of the offense.

5 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

It's an organizational philosophy.  Doug ran soft camps as well.

Well, they need to grow a pair and change it.

Here’s a screenshot from the official NFL YouTube channel for our Eagles. Their 2024 preview.  Video is new…released today.  Anyone else think that they could do better?  
 

 

10 minutes ago, McMVP said:

Here’s a screenshot from the official NFL YouTube channel for our Eagles. Their 2024 preview.  Video is new…released today.  Anyone else think that they could do better?  
 

 

I truly hate every social media aspect of this team. We talk about it all the time, but what an absolute jump off a cliff from the training camp live days. Truly embarrassing 

All this hoopla about Hurts not being top 10 in the ESPN list...my 2 cents...

1.  I'm going to defer all my Jalen Hurts complaints until the curtain rises on this season.  We know his shortcomings pre 2022 and in 2023.  We know what he did great in 2022.  You also all know what I harp on about him.  Let's see how it goes with a new OC, system, and great weapons.  Put up or shut up now.  But it's the offseason and he can't put up until September, so it's only fair if I shut up until September.

2. The actual ranking...who cares?  There was a time, not long ago, that the NFL tier 1 QBs were Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and Russell Wilson.  They all had rings.  Tier 2 were prime Roethlisberger, Luck, Ryan, Rivers.  Think about that for a minute and holy crap!  There is a MASSIVE gap between Mahomes and everyone else (and before you use stats to contradict that, keep in mind who he's been throwing to at WR).  

3.  Given the above, there is unprecedented unpredictability and instability between all the non-Mahomes QB's in the NFL.  Joe Burrow is #2 on this list.  Will I be surprised if Jalen Hurts is better in 2024 than Joe Burrow?  Or #3 Josh Allen?  No, not at all.  Joe Burrow wasn't even very good last year.  Josh Allen is notoriously inconsistent.  Same goes for every QB on the list ahead of Hurts.  But I also count about 5 QBs NOT on that list either that could just as conceivably be better than Hurts next year.  (And that's the statement you'll all take exception to, but if you do, you are missing the point).

These QB's are not year-over-year steady performers like we have seen in the last generation of QB's.  There is significant year-to-year variation and I don't know who to trust yet.  They are generally all still young, so we'll get a better sense of who the truly elite ones are when they consistently perform like their peak years.

 

Ultimately I think play calling has a huge impact on perception of a QB.  Mahomes is great and he's been blessed by great play calling his entire career.  The exception I think Brady carried the Pats and made the play caller look better than he was.  Hurts will have a great season if Moore calls a good offense imo.  He has the talent

1 hour ago, McMVP said:

Here’s a screenshot from the official NFL YouTube channel for our Eagles. Their 2024 preview.  Video is new…released today.  Anyone else think that they could do better?  
 

 

What an embarrassment. Darius Slay replacing Carey Williams is huge. 

6 hours ago, austinfan said:

It might hurt you the first two games, but a major injury hurts you for up to 17 games.

Hard ass camps are a tradition from the days when players didn't work out like they do now in the offseason - so you weeded out the really out of shape guys and whipped everyone else into shape the first few weeks.

Now they show up in great shape, many practice over the summer at team facilities, stars probably have home gyms that are better than anything we've ever used!

The mental reps are more important than physical reps, which is why HCs prefer controlled scrimmages where they can ensure different packages and units get PT, rather than exhibition games where it's a matter of luck.

Injuries are going to happen. Just ask Sydney Brown. Soft camp, tears ACL in week 17. 

Mental reps are not more important than physical reps. You need that repetition, that muscle memory, the coordination with your teammates. This OL especially is going to need lots of live work. How do they mesh in the middle with new Center and new RG? How is the timing with Jurgens snaps and pulling or Steens pulling? What about these LB and new DB? Mental reps only take you so far.

Get read for more poor tackling. 

Go figure, the HR Derby was tonight and there was a Phillie in it.

6 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Go figure, the HR Derby was tonight and there was a Phillie in it.

Let's just hope it doesn't screw with his swing for the second half.

Will we see actual hot routes in the O now? 

@FranklinFldEBUpper and everyone else 
https://Twitter.com/syedschemes/status/1812832486541398214?s=12&t=rgpQN0IVpEaKEB9ENHDTqQ

 

Worth a read. 

10 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Injuries are going to happen. Just ask Sydney Brown. Soft camp, tears ACL in week 17. 

Mental reps are not more important than physical reps. You need that repetition, that muscle memory, the coordination with your teammates. This OL especially is going to need lots of live work. How do they mesh in the middle with new Center and new RG? How is the timing with Jurgens snaps and pulling or Steens pulling? What about these LB and new DB? Mental reps only take you so far.

Get read for more poor tackling. 

Bravo.

10 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Injuries are going to happen. Just ask Sydney Brown. Soft camp, tears ACL in week 17. 

Mental reps are not more important than physical reps. You need that repetition, that muscle memory, the coordination with your teammates. This OL especially is going to need lots of live work. How do they mesh in the middle with new Center and new RG? How is the timing with Jurgens snaps and pulling or Steens pulling? What about these LB and new DB? Mental reps only take you so far.

Get read for more poor tackling. 

By the end of the first game, starters have more reps than they got in a traditional training camp.

Traditional: 1Q, 1Q and a series, 1 half and 1 series, sit out 4th game.

Now it's 1Q, 1 half, sit down.

The guys who need the reps are the backups, rookies, SFAs, etc., who have to practice fundamentals.

They're the ones who are hurt by eliminating an exhibition game and who need those scrimmages with other teams, both to get practice time and showcase their skills.

As far as physical practices, I don't want my veteran starters beat up before the season starts.