There is a podcast on YouTube called Games with Names. The host is Julian Edelman, and he invites guests on who were former athletes and has them pick a game from their career to discuss over the 90 minute episode. Lockerroom stories, onfield reactions, postgame celebrations, lasting impact, all that.

Today’s episode was Colin Cowherd. He’s not a former athlete. So his game he chose to talk about was the Tony Romo field goal snafu game just so he could crap on the Cowboys for an hour straight. Hilarious
 

 

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Teams win games.   Teams lose games.   The end of the season was a complete failure.   The defense gave up, no doubt.  They were lost out there, their coaches left them confused.  Meanwhile, the offensive coaches left the offense out to dry too.  They had no answer for how to deal with the way they were being defensed.   The only reason that the offense put up any points down the stretch was the ridiculous amount of talent on that side of the ball.   If that offense was the one that the Eagles had back in 2001 and 2002 - with Torrence Small and Charles Johnson at WR.. or 2005 or 2006 with Reggie Brown, James Thrash, etc.  or even 2020 with Deontay Burnett, Travis Fulgham and Hakeem Butler, they don't even get to double digits in most of those games.

And we KNOW that the offensive players were disregarding the coaches, because we have Jalen Hurts and A.J. Brown improvising with the game on the line against Seattle.  Who knows how often they did that down the stretch beyond that single play that ended in an INT?  

Regarding the bolded, I wouldn’t blame them if they did.  It was a cluster F. Might as well try something.

We all know there were major problems on both sides of the ball, but the defensive problems were epic.  And some of the offensive problems likely resulted from that.

Can’t wait until we can actually discuss this year‘s team instead of revisiting/speculating on last year‘s

Just now, McMVP said:

Regarding the bolded, I wouldn’t blame them if they did.  It was a cluster F. Might as well try something.

We all know there were major problems on both sides of the ball, but the defensive problems were epic.  And some of the offensive problems likely resulted from that.

Can’t wait until we can actually discuss this year‘s team instead of revisiting/speculating on last year‘s

I'm not saying it was a bad move by those players, rather I was pointing out how much faith had been lost by the offensive players in that coaching staff.  We saw it clearly on the defensive side with the lack of effort in tackling.  Offensively it was hidden a little more, but the fact that the players came out and put it on the record that they called their own play is a damning indictment on the way they felt about the coaches, despite the lip service that might have been offered at other times.

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Moore touched on it in his chalk talk but no one in here seems to have picked up on a critical element of motion:

IT TELLS THE QB SOMETHING ABOUT THE DEFENSE!

You cannot blame Hurts for failing to read the whole field if he isn't given the tools to do it with. If you don't motion guys, there's less to see. Sirianni talked about the three things motion does: "We motion for a very distinct reason,” Sirianni said. "We’re going to motion if we can create an advantage, if we can figure out what defense they’re in, [or] if we can get a guy in position to do his job better. We’re not a team that’s just going to motion [just] to motion. We’re going to do it for those three main reasons.” 

Yet he almost never motioned. 

Sirianni also never mentioned how motion stresses the defense, how defensive assignments can get screwed up, and how to run different plays out of the same motion. Much more than three reasons, Nick.

It wasn't Hurts, at least not much. It was coaching.

We’ll find out this year.  

1 hour ago, McMVP said:

Can’t wait until we can actually discuss this year‘s team instead of revisiting/speculating on last year‘s

It is a year like this that really makes me miss TC being held at Lehigh, WCU or Widener.   It would be a lot of fun to go watch them and focus on the offensive play design changes, the defensive backfield depth chart, and the overall vibe of the team with the new DC and OC changing everything.

 

But, alas, we need to hide everything because of competitive advantage.  .  Eagles as a team have been very good under Lurie... these changes though that really impact the diehard fans bother me.   Removal of the EMB, elimination of TC being open to the public, limited access even for the press and beat writers to be able to report on things, and the awful production for other events compared to what it used to be before the technology age really kicked into high gear.   It's a shame, because those types of things are what made many of us die hards into the die hards we are today.   I doubt that the next generation will be as rabid a fanbase as a result.  Very short sighted by Lurie and Co.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm not saying it was a bad move by those players, rather I was pointing out how much faith had been lost by the offensive players in that coaching staff.  We saw it clearly on the defensive side with the lack of effort in tackling.  Offensively it was hidden a little more, but the fact that the players came out and put it on the record that they called their own play is a damning indictment on the way they felt about the coaches, despite the lip service that might have been offered at other times.

I completely agree.  And I think that’s why it was not just the DC that was let go.  Changes were obviously needed with both coordinators.   I’ve never defended any of the offensive coaching staff for last year’s debacle.  For the talent this team has, they deserved all the criticism that they got.  My only point was if you were going to have to pick one worst culprit, I would have to go with the defensive side.
 

3 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I completely agree.  And I think that’s why it was not just the DC that was let go.  Changes were obviously needed with both coordinators.   I’ve never defended any of the offensive coaching staff for last year’s debacle.  For the talent this team has, they deserved all the criticism that they got.  My only point was if you were going to have to pick one worst culprit, I would have to go with the defensive side.
 

Agreed.  And the argument is very easy to be made that if you have to change both coordinators at the same time, keeping the HC doesn't make sense.  That is especially true when he offered nothing to help right the ship, but may have been responsible for the depth of the debacle that it turned into when HE (according to his own words) was solely responsible for making the change of the DC that was likely the final nail in the coffin of the players having confidence in their coaches.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It is a year like this that really makes me miss TC being held at Lehigh, WCU or Widener.   It would be a lot of fun to go watch them and focus on the offensive play design changes, the defensive backfield depth chart, and the overall vibe of the team with the new DC and OC changing everything.

 

But, alas, we need to hide everything because of competitive advantage.  .  Eagles as a team have been very good under Lurie... these changes though that really impact the diehard fans bother me.   Removal of the EMB, elimination of TC being open to the public, limited access even for the press and beat writers to be able to report on things, and the awful production for other events compared to what it used to be before the technology age really kicked into high gear.   It's a shame, because those types of things are what made many of us die hards into the die hards we are today.   I doubt that the next generation won't be as rabid a fanbase as a result.  Very short sighted by Lurie and Co.

Alas (I echoed your word because it fondly reminds me of my favorite author), I cannot feel the pain of this situation the way you do.  I have never been a local fan.  I felt the change from the official website to @VaBeach_Eagle’s current one, but the pain was minimal.  And hatts off to him for doing it the way he did… I thank him that my favorite online destination did not have to go away.

But the training camp stuff, I cannot feel the pain of that because I’ve never been a local fan.  I been a fan of the Eagles since the Ron Jaworski/Harold Carmichael/Wilbert Montgomery days, but I’ve never been local.  I’m sure I’d feel the way you do if I was.  
 

 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

This guy should explode on the Eagles.  Next level.  Totally looking forward to the beatdown.

1 minute ago, Miami said:

This guy should explode on the Eagles.  Next level.  Totally looking forward to the beatdown.

it will be very nice if Hurts actually gives him the ball.

19 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I think it came down to him knowing what Daniel Jones is and is not.

1 hour ago, McMVP said:

Alas (I echoed your word because it fondly reminds me of my favorite author), I cannot feel the pain of this situation the way you do.  I have never been a local fan.  I felt the change from the official website to @VaBeach_Eagle’s current one, but the pain was minimal.  And hatts off to him for doing it the way he did… I thank him that my favorite online destination did not have to go away.

But the training camp stuff, I cannot feel the pain of that because I’ve never been a local fan.  I been a fan of the Eagles since the Ron Jaworski/Harold Carmichael/Wilbert Montgomery days, but I’ve never been local.  I’m sure I’d feel the way you do if I was.  
 

Possible.   I made it a point to head up to TC for a couple days every offseason.   It was a lot of fun.  Get to yuck it up with some other fans and discuss things with like minded individuals long before the EMB ever existed.   I remember when I was a teenager, about 14 I guess, my dad took a day off work and surprised me by just driving over for a day.  Two things stood out to me on that... 1 - my dad almost never took a day off from work unless it was an emergency, or a planned family vacation, this was out of the norm.   And 2 - I had never gotten to be that close to NFL players before.  I'd never been to a game, because we didn't have the money for tickets (which is why my dad was almost always at work), and I didn't know that you could go to practice like that!  We just pulled up, walked over to the practice field... and there in front of me was the Gang Green defense warming up.   That was a special day, and future generations of fans won't get that.   Flight Night doesn't come even close to that.  You aren't up close to the players... you are miles away compared to when you were at WCU or Lehigh.   Just a completely different thing all together.    (And if you timed it during two-a-days... you'd go to the morning practice, see them hit... and then go out for a quick lunch, and finally, come back for the afternoon, which might be hitting again, or might just be some positional drills.)

 

It's a shame for the kids mostly.  

24 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Possible.   I made it a point to head up to TC for a couple days every offseason.   It was a lot of fun.  Get to yuck it up with some other fans and discuss things with like minded individuals long before the EMB ever existed.   I remember when I was a teenager, about 14 I guess, my dad took a day off work and surprised me by just driving over for a day.  Two things stood out to me on that... 1 - my dad almost never took a day off from work unless it was an emergency, or a planned family vacation, this was out of the norm.   And 2 - I had never gotten to be that close to NFL players before.  I'd never been to a game, because we didn't have the money for tickets (which is why my dad was almost always at work), and I didn't know that you could go to practice like that!  We just pulled up, walked over to the practice field... and there in front of me was the Gang Green defense warming up.   That was a special day, and future generations of fans won't get that.   Flight Night doesn't come even close to that.  You aren't up close to the players... you are miles away compared to when you were at WCU or Lehigh.   Just a completely different thing all together.    (And if you timed it during two-a-days... you'd go to the morning practice, see them hit... and then go out for a quick lunch, and finally, come back for the afternoon, which might be hitting again, or might just be some positional drills.)

 

It's a shame for the kids mostly.  

I miss that.

Does anyone know if all teams have moved away from it? Or was it just Chip who ruined it for eagles fans?

6 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Agent and GM leaks to try and press for their views.  Aiyuk trying for an AJ Brown, Justin Jefferson level contract (demands in May were probably absurd.   49ers probably pointing to Devonta Smith’s extension as more in line with reality.  But I had him pegged near where I saw Reagor so he can point out that he’s better than a practice squad receiver. 

6 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I don't know if they made that change in 2022.  I think the change was in 2021.  I am not sure many offenses actually require the player to read the entire field.  I mean Shanahan's passing game is heavily reliant on rollouts and play action to one side of the field.  

The mythology of progressions lives on.   AR noticed Mahommes adoption of the Leach methodology.  But even then the field was really split in thirds and a majority of throws will go to the primary target for the play. There is a good video (probably YouTube) of Kingsbury, IIRC, showing the looks.  So a crossing pattern deep by the nickel with an outlet underneath in the middle but the first look might have been the one of those receivers cutting with an outside receiver running his route.  But those reads were lightning quick.  Mahommes was hit and miss in college but had that quick read. The biggest concern I have always had about Hurts is his processing time.  He’s a coach’s son.  So I think he is a bit overly cautious at times.  He’s most gunslinger on long throws. Risk and reward. I do think the leg injury was more of a factor last year than credited.  But by the same token, I am very concerned about the regression of production over the middle. 

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Possible.   I made it a point to head up to TC for a couple days every offseason.   It was a lot of fun.  Get to yuck it up with some other fans and discuss things with like minded individuals long before the EMB ever existed.   I remember when I was a teenager, about 14 I guess, my dad took a day off work and surprised me by just driving over for a day.  Two things stood out to me on that... 1 - my dad almost never took a day off from work unless it was an emergency, or a planned family vacation, this was out of the norm.   And 2 - I had never gotten to be that close to NFL players before.  I'd never been to a game, because we didn't have the money for tickets (which is why my dad was almost always at work), and I didn't know that you could go to practice like that!  We just pulled up, walked over to the practice field... and there in front of me was the Gang Green defense warming up.   That was a special day, and future generations of fans won't get that.   Flight Night doesn't come even close to that.  You aren't up close to the players... you are miles away compared to when you were at WCU or Lehigh.   Just a completely different thing all together.    (And if you timed it during two-a-days... you'd go to the morning practice, see them hit... and then go out for a quick lunch, and finally, come back for the afternoon, which might be hitting again, or might just be some positional drills.)

 

It's a shame for the kids mostly.  

Sounds like an awesome memory… I’m jealous.  I hear Bears fans complaining about the same thing around here…saying it’s not the same as it used to be.  I’m not sure if the changes here are as drastic as they are for the Eagles, but something tells me the fan access is dwindling for all teams.

Skip Bayless‘s career seems to be finally coming to an end.  Can’t say that I’m sorry to hear this news…

 

 

Saquon would still be a Giant what they just treated him fairly. He may not work out, but it's not like we overpaid him.

Worth pointing out there were a lot of examples over last season where Hurts had WRs, TEs and RBs open to throw to, but wouldn't and would run or take a sack/hit or throw an incompletion to other players.  It wasn't just the lack of progressions or motion where the O had issues. It was Hurts focus on throwing to certain targets only.

2 hours ago, RLC said:

Saquon would still be a Giant what they just treated him fairly. He may not work out, but it's not like we overpaid him.

It's not?  That remains to be seen.  The last time he averaged over 4 1/2 yards per carry was 2019, and his receiving stats have been very pedestrian the past 3 years.

17 hours ago, McMVP said:

I could possibly see Hurts having an issue with the firing of his friend, Brian Johnson.  So there could be some animosity there between him and Nick Sirianni.  That said, Hurts is professional enough to let it go.  I say this only to point out that I do think there is (or was) something going on on the offensive side.

That being said, I wholeheartedly agree with you that the defensive problems were far worse.  I don’t think the offense looks as bad if the defense doesn’t collapse the way it did.  I think the offensive issues were magnified because they were constantly in a bad situation.  that’s not to say that there aren’t corrections that are desperately needed, but it is a team sport and one side of the ball can definitely affect the other side.
 

 

I suspect the "friend” moniker is overdone.  Has Hurts known Johnson since he played for Hurts’ dad?  Yes, but check out the age difference.  Hurts didn’t play with Johnson.  At best, he was the ball boy, young son of the Coach when Johnson was playing HS football.  So they knew each other.   Frankly, I suspect he just got the best QB coach he has ever worked with. 

18 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think so. I think he meant 2022. He even said the fans wouldn’t have noticed it but when you watched the film and asked the coaches, they said that they did. And he mentioned the sb season twice 

I am not saying I don't believe him because I think he talked to the coaches.  I just don't think they made significant changes to the offense over the course of the season.